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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 22:13 
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Just re-read the actions of the superheroes & Robin can also investigate. So I would suggest Batman defends & Robin investigates one of the following (assuming of course one of them is robin) apart from whoever we decide to lynch & arrest today.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 22:13 
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I'm not counter-claiming.

Also, I really dislike this whole "claiming but not claiming" thing that's happened in this game. If you're saying who you are just fucking say it obviously.


It's not uncommon round this way. Direct roleclaims are fairly uncommon, and some roleclaims are ridiculously vague.

It may be frustrating, but it's safer for the claimant, and also it makes for a hilarious post-game analysis.


Only way it makes it safer for the claimant is if they are scum doing a fake claim.


A villain making a vague claim is pointless. They have no reason at all to expose themselves as they can just off everyone - it doesn't really matter who they target. At most, they'll oust one hero if they're lucky, and then they'll die the next night anyway - if not overnight.

It's pretty plainly obvious that exposing yourself to danger when not necessary is a bad idea.

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If you're saying you are a power role then you've already painted a target on yourself, you might as well say which one you are so that we can see if someone counterclaims.


It depends on the context, what was said and why. If you have solid information and a good target, it's worth doing what Russ did (although maybe not so early next time :p) - an explicit "I am x. Kill y." But if an explicit roleclaim would be pointless or dangerous, it is obviously a bad idea. If Russ had no idea who the villains were and roleclaimed anyway, we'd currently be facing three killers, a doomed batman, and a very good chance that we'd all be dead or wrongly arrested in two days.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg wrote:
Just re-read the actions of the superheroes & Robin can also investigate. So I would suggest Batman defends & Robin investigates one of the following (assuming of course one of them is robin) apart from whoever we decide to lynch & arrest today.

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Robin can only investigate if batman dies. This has been discussed a couple of times now, and is in the rules.

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Which is why I didn't ask who Gos was, but instead suggested we investigate him tonight.


No we can't have Russ investigate, we need him to defend so he does not die.


If he does nothing but defend, we won't get any more information until more innocents die. Much of my recent posting has been on the understanding that we're considering having Russ arrested, so he won't need to protect himself. Having him protect himself every night is a waste when arresting him would serve the same purpose, and allow him to arrest/investigate tonight, and on the first night should the jailer die and Russ be released.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Yeah, I shot my load early, but I was excited to have found a baddie.

I'm going to re-read the days, and come back with a name to lynch.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Yeah, I shot my load early, but I was excited to have found a baddie.

I'm going to re-read the days, and come back with a name to lynch.


We also need to know what the policeman needs to do for the arrest either you or another?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Sinister Agent, I'm not saying power roles should just be randomly claiming but if you are claiming then you should be full claiming. Just saying "Hi, I'm a power role" is pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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If you know who the cop/jailer is, you might also want to consider protecting them tonight. Obv. weigh it against the other options.

Wouldn't want to be in your bat-shoes right now, bat-Russ. :S

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Sinister Agent, I'm not saying power roles should just be randomly claiming but if you are claiming then you should be full claiming. Just saying "Hi, I'm a power role" is pointless.


I get your point, but again, I think it depends on the context and exactly which power roles (good and bad) are in play.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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If you know who the cop/jailer is, you might also want to consider protecting them tonight. Obv. weigh it against the other options.

Wouldn't want to be in your bat-shoes right now, bat-Russ. :S


Only problem with that is if the batman protects someone can he get attacked himself?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Since Mr R seems to accept Gos's claim and no one has come to counterclaim [vote:unvote]

Just tell us who Mr R

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Anyone else F5-ing for Mr Russell's response?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Anyone else F5-ing for Mr Russell's response?

Nope I'm playing GT5 & check back after a race finishes :)


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Ace, then I think I'll [vote:goddess jasmine]

Please arrest me tonight, and I'll spill the beans on all my investigations from jail.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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[vote: goddess jasmine]

She's not Robin, then :D

Do you want us to know what you'll be doing tonight, or will you leave it?

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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She's not Robin, then :D

Do you want us to know what you'll be doing tonight, or will you leave it?


No don't tell us Russ keep that to yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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I'll investigate, so I need the copper to arrest me so I don't die.

I still want to know how Lex managed to find Superman. If Supes was still alive he could have carried on protecting me.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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I'll investigate, so I need the copper to arrest me so I don't die.


Ok Policeman arrest Russ & we will see what tomorrow brings


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg wrote:
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She's not Robin, then :D

Do you want us to know what you'll be doing tonight, or will you leave it?


No don't tell us Russ keep that to yourself.


Sorry, we posted at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Best case scenario of course: Lex or Joker kill the jailer and I get straight back out again!

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Best case scenario of course: Lex or Joker kill the jailer and I get straight back out again!


Best case scenario: Lex and Joker kill each other :p

But there's a fair chance you've picked one of them already, and tomorrow with your info we should have a very good shot of lynching or arresting the other.

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gospvg wrote:
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I'll investigate, so I need the copper to arrest me so I don't die.


Ok Policeman arrest Russ & we will see what tomorrow brings


Why are you telling the Policeman to arrest Russ, haven't you claimed to be the policeman?


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Ace, then I think I'll [vote:goddess jasmine]

Please arrest me tonight, and I'll spill the beans on all my investigations from jail.

:( Why?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
I'll investigate, so I need the copper to arrest me so I don't die.


Ok Policeman arrest Russ & we will see what tomorrow brings


Why are you telling the Policeman to arrest Russ, haven't you claimed to be the policeman?


No, I've not role-claimed in any of my posts have I?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Ace, then I think I'll [vote:goddess jasmine]

Please arrest me tonight, and I'll spill the beans on all my investigations from jail.

:( Why?


I think you need to tell us why not?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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[vote:unvote] FOR NOW.

I expect to be on here for a while longer tonight, so if GJ has anything amazing to say (or gos acts even more dodgily), I'd like to hear it.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg wrote:
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gospvg wrote:
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I'll investigate, so I need the copper to arrest me so I don't die.


Ok Policeman arrest Russ & we will see what tomorrow brings


Why are you telling the Policeman to arrest Russ, haven't you claimed to be the policeman?


No, I've not role-claimed in any of my posts have I?


EUGH! THIS, THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO BE EXPLICIT.

Gospvg, people stopped looking at voting you because you seemed to be claiming.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg are you the policeman or not?

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Mr Russell wrote:
gospvg are you the policeman or not?

I will help you with your plan but if I roleclaim to be the policeman I could be setting myself up to be killed with no protection.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg wrote:
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gospvg are you the policeman or not?

I will help you with your plan but if I roleclaim to be the policeman I could be setting myself up to be killed with no protection.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:03 

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gospvg wrote:
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gospvg are you the policeman or not?

I will help you with your plan but if I roleclaim to be the policeman I could be setting myself up to be killed with no protection.


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Sense, you make none.


Sense I'M THE POLICEMAN then, there you go I said it.
Which means I will end up arresting Russ but will probably get killed by an evil hero if one is still alive & out of jail.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:14 
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Gospvg, you'd all but said you were the policeman anyway, all this changes is we now have you trapped in a lie should someone else come forward and say they are the policeman.


Not that I'm expecting someone to.


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:16 
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gospvg wrote:
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gospvg are you the policeman or not?

I will help you with your plan but if I roleclaim to be the policeman I could be setting myself up to be killed with no protection.


If I were evil, I would already have had you at the top of my list long before now because you've given two posts strongly implying you're the cop. It's pretty obvious that we've all since worked out that you were trying to hint at that.

I'm waiting for GJ's defence (if any) and Russ's reaction to this before I vote. Also for a few others to check in, we've still got all day.

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Gospvg, you'd all but said you were the policeman anyway.


Exactly & now I have spelt it out for all, which means the trap you set for me must make you EVIL !!
Investigate Jon Russ.


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sinister agent wrote:
gospvg wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
gospvg are you the policeman or not?

I will help you with your plan but if I roleclaim to be the policeman I could be setting myself up to be killed with no protection.


If I were evil, I would already have had you at the top of my list long before now because you've given two posts strongly implying you're the cop. It's pretty obvious that we've all since worked out that you were trying to hint at that.

I'm waiting for GJ's defence (if any) and Russ's reaction to this before I vote. Also for a few others to check in, we've still got all day.


Kovac has been too quiet for my liking, I would like to hear from him.


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Gospvg, you'd all but said you were the policeman anyway.


Exactly & now I have spelt it out for all, which means the trap you set for me must make you EVIL !!
Investigate Jon Russ.


What?

Okay, I'm revising my suggestion. Would the real cop please come forward?

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gospvg wrote:
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Gospvg, you'd all but said you were the policeman anyway.


Exactly & now I have spelt it out for all, which means the trap you set for me must make you EVIL !!
Investigate Jon Russ.


What??
Is this an attempt at sarcasm? Because we've already seen that doesn't work.


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sinister agent wrote:
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Gospvg, you'd all but said you were the policeman anyway.


Exactly & now I have spelt it out for all, which means the trap you set for me must make you EVIL !!
Investigate Jon Russ.


What?

Okay, I'm revising my suggestion. Would the real cop please come forward?



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What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


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gospvg, yes it would be better for you to stay alive, but you can still get your win condition even if you're dead.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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gospvg, yes it would be better for you to stay alive, but you can still get your win condition even if you're dead.

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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
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Gos, he wasn't trapping you. You'd already made two massively obvious posts hinting at a roleclaim. That's why I backed off from voting for you earlier, and tried to divert attention from you, and suggested we have you investigated instead.

Everybody already thought you were the cop. Russ even asked for a counter claim.

You're acting completely loopy here, man.

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What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest.

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sinister agent wrote:
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What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest)


It is not the only role that can arrest though.


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sinister agent wrote:
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What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest.


In other games Cop is usually the name given to an investigating role.

I have no idea what Gospvg is talking about at the moment.


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What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest.


In other games Cop is usually the name given to an investigating role.

I have no idea what Gospvg is talking about at the moment.


Well yeah, but cop = policeman. Same thing. But yeah, fair enough, I'll go with 'policeman' for clarity's sake.

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He sounded like a paranoid villain to me. Still, roleclaim's a roleclaim. [vote:unvote]


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:31 

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Jon.J wrote:
sinister agent wrote:
Jon.J wrote:
What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

I have no idea what Gospvg is talking about at the moment.


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 Post subject: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:32 
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Jon.J wrote:
sinister agent wrote:
Jon.J wrote:
What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest.


In other games Cop is usually the name given to an investigating role.

I have no idea what Gospvg is talking about at the moment.


What are you on about?


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 Post subject: Re: SuperScum 2 : Day 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 0:33 
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gospvg wrote:
sinister agent wrote:
Jon.J wrote:
What I think Sinister Agent means is, could the real Policeman come forward?

Cop could be misunderstood as an investigating role.


I meant that Gos is talking more like a paranoid villain than a cop (who I thought everyone realised could only arrest)


It is not the only role that can arrest though.


Nope, I can arrest. I can also kill, investigate and protect. So you see why I'm perhaps selfishly prioritising my own alived-ness over yours. At least by proving you're the cop it puts you above suspicion, and takes my list of five people down to four.

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