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[vote:unvote] for now.

That is mightily convenient to have such a powerful role.
I don't buy it.

However if we swap to someone like GJ, what would that tell us. The only way to prove you are telling the truth is if you die overnight, and even if you do get info to you deputy, he can't share it openly.

Not sure what to do to be honest, but [vote:unvote] for now.

Not entirely convinced that me dying before day 2 starts is particularly good for the good guys, means the greens don't get any more information overnight.

Good point, why would you even consider not roleclaiming if you were up for the chop and a good power role?

[vote:gazchap]

To paraphrase Andy Dufresne, I find it decidely inconvenient when I'm up for the lynch.

Especially as I can't really prove it at this stage, simply because I don't have any information yet to give.

In the unlikely event that I survive the night, I may as well share any information I get openly so you do have at least that to consider.

I have to question the use of the policeman anyway, as they can't relay any of the info without dying.
On the other hand; if Gazchap doesn't die tonight we are likely to lynch him, so he doesn't really gain anything if he isn't the policeman- unless he is the magenta then he gets one night action.
If we don't kill him and the bad guys decide to kill someone else and we lynch gaz tomorrow, then by end of play tomorrow we are in the same position as if we killed him now and the reds kill someone else tonight (is that right?). Assuming we lynch someone else now. and quickly.

So lets assume your not the Police Chief, we (hopefully) aren't going to get a counter claim today as that would just be crazy. So we either call your bluff and vote you off. If we don't vote you off and your bluffing the real police will know this so you instantly go to the Red/Magenta List without them having to waste a investigation on you, and you could be delt with later in the game when they have enough info to warrant a roleclaim.

If you are telling the truth then it would be a HUGE mistake on the towns part, for us to vote off our main power role on Day 1. If we don't evict you then you will more than likely be killed tonight, but that means you act as a shield for another innocent townie.

Am I missing anything?

We are getting low on time

If he's a red, he gains the real chief of police potentially outing himself in a counter-claim.

As above, now that I have roleclaimed, I can share any information I get openly - whether you believe it, is up to you, but while I'm alive there's no point in me holding on to the information I glean every night. The only reason to not share openly is so people don't figure out I'm the Chief, but that's kinda gone for a burton now.

@bobby

The deputy knows who he is, and his been somewhat silent in coming to his aid..

I think it's a desperate roleclaim.

Send him to the wastes!

That is a good point, hadn't thought of that, but it would allow Gaz to let us know the results of his investigation. If he really is the police chief, which would be proven by us evicting him

Probably because the deputy realises that I'm highly unlikely to survive to tomorrow, and that he will therefore take on my role. He's hardly going to want to out himself with that in mind, is he?

[vote:MaliA] for being really quite insistent on sending me to the pit.

Also, do I die at 1.30pm or does the day end without a lynch if a majority isn't reached?

Or the deputy coming forward. Who hasn't.

Dammit, I think I believe him

[vote:unvote]

Massive FoS to MaliA there, if Gaz is the Police you seriously want the other police to step forward and back him up?
Do you have a North Korean Accent?

If I was red, then I would leave gazchap tonight even if he was the police chief, as that would only sow the seed of doubt and most likely get him lynched tomorrow, giving them an extra night to kill.
Yes, I know this might be giving them ideas, but i'm sure they would have already thought of that.

The only thing we know is that gazchap says he is the police chief. The only way we can get any sort of hard fact is to lynch him.

I realise pushing for this will put me in the firing line for tomorrow if he turns out to be telling the truth, but so be it.

MaliA you seem to want all of the green power roles to line up for the reds to kill

[vote:MaliA]

There's as much chance of GazChap finding out something useful as there is him being a red.

If he is Chief of Police, he's dead tonight anyway, without finding anything out.
If he's a red and we don't lynch him, they are in a stronger position than they are today.

The reward of lynching him is greater than the risk of him being a blue.

Yeah, if I survive the night then that's going to make me look pretty dodgy. On the plus side, assuming I get enough time tomorrow before you guys lynch me for still being alive, I can share with you the information I've gained, and you can then make a decision from that.

As empty a promise as it is with no real proof to back it up, I can assure you guys I'm telling the truth. The longer I'm kept alive the more use I can be, and while we don't know how many of each colour there are it's arguably very useful to have someone on board who can begin building up that information.

Which is why he wanted a no-lynch from the out, when he wasn't even in the running for anything. To improve the RED position of terror.

Just a quick point on this - no-one knows (or knew) anything, so how would looking at the voters help?

That said, I don't believe you.

[vote:gazchap]

Unless my deputy gets the information by looking through the notebook on my corpse.

VOTE UPDATE

davpaz: 1 (Goddess Jasmine)
malia: 2 (GazChap, Slightly Green)
gazchap: 5 (Grim..., MaliA, zaphod79, Craster, Trooper)

Not voted: 7 (mr russell, gilly, davpaz, kovacsc, bobbyaro, malc, alarm)

With 15 players alive, 8 votes are required for a lynch, and 8 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

That's why I said "over the coming days" - easy for the reds to get a blockvote going for me when there's the cover of it just being a random lynch. Take today's voting along with any patterns over the coming days, and there might be something useful.

At this point, even though Malia is voting the same way as me, I would like to disassociate myself from him as much as possible!

25 minutes to get three votes. It's not going to happen, is it?

Goddarn weed got me all mixed up. So... If we lynch gaz and he's telling the truth, what then?

Thats what i am confused at. But are people seriously not seeing how dodgy MaliA is looking?

Which he won't, as that hasn't ever happened. According to lore.

You wanted a no lynch as it puts the reds in a more powerful position, as they get a free whack.
When you were looking to be exiled, you claim the most powerful role on the good guys side.
Which you hope will prevent a lynch putting the dastardly reds in a moer powerful position as they get a free whack.
So, the risk is the reds getting a free whack for some information which, on teh balance of proabblilities won't eb that useful.
You can't commiit to a contract on future help, so I think you're lying.

Send him out of the BioSphere of Awesome to Doncaster!

The reason I was arguing for it was simply that we don't know how many of each colour we have, so we don't know how close to a "majority" the reds already are, and I thought it better to try and get some useful information without losing too many people, in case they're pretty close already.

Obviously they don't know how close to a majority they are either, which makes the situation better.

I will change my vote if it means we get a eviction today, but I will be voting MaliA again tomorrow, he is more Arthur Daley.

My reasoning makes perfect sense. We're trading of the small possibbility of future information against the red's grip on power increasing.

I really hope you're not a good guy, MaliA. If I survive until tomorrow and discover that you were a good guy overnight, I'm going to be really pissed off that you've made me waste an investigation.

Your reasoning? You want the other police to back him up if he is being honest? the only people that benefits are those who have a un-green colour

Can't do it man. Aint got the murder in me. No vote today.

In which case it makes sense to lynch him, as exposing that information is too great to the greens & blues, and if he's red he'll say "I investigated X overnight and he's a red", nobody will stand up to say "actually, you didn't because "I'm the chief of police" and red's position is stronger.

If I say "I investigated X (MaliA) overnight and he's a red (which surely you are)" then that person will be lynched, or at least I would have hoped they would.

If I'm then shown to be wrong, then people are free to lynch me.

Of course, I doubt I'll even get that far. I'm now in a position to investigate AND tell people the results of that straight away without worrying about blowing my cover, so I'm dead one way or the other.

And by not lynching him, the reds get a free kill, and gain power whilst the greens and blues, don't use the only way they have of stopping them.

I don't think that is a price worth paying for the small cahnce of him getting a hit on a red overnight. if he survives.

Dude, if you surivive the night, there's no way you're not red.

Exile Gazchap:

If he is policeman, greens are down one. Two people die over night, greens down three.

Don't exile anyone

If he is poiceman, he dies overnight, and no investigation results happen. Two people die. Greens down three

If he isn't polcieman, greens down two, as Gazchap wasn't telling the truth, so we can see who switched their votes when teh roleclaim came in, out of the, ahem, blue.

It makes sense to send him away.

Other than the reason I posted a few minutes ago you mean?

You are acting incredibly dodgy, but there is no way we can get a lynch on you in time.

No lynch increases red's position. We know this. Only reds would call for a no lynch.
Other reasoning above. Best chance to improve green/blue posiion is to exile him.

I don't think we will get a lynch now anyway. But what happens tomorrow when Gaz comes back and gives us a name, if they are red are we just going to lynch them? He could still be lying.

PRE-FUCKING-CISELY

Or he might not be Mali, we just have no way of knowing at this stage - it's too early.

So, going with what we've got, as i've explained above, it is in green/blue best interests to send him away

Down three? How so? Reds kill me, Magenta kills green (assuming there's just one) - so I make that as Greens down two?

Green/blue