UNScum : Day 5

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

I'd like to hear from Alarm and Gospvg before I change my vote

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

Malc wrote:

(dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Nope. I received the same note as you. And I suspect others did too.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:04

[ooc]I have to return to work now, limited posts (if at all) until I get back home[/ooc]

I will try and keep abreast of what's going on, but can't guarentee that I will

Malc

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Malc wrote:

Libyan - Davpaz and Flis (dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Malc

Other than, if he got the note....?

I wish I was Libyan, then I'd have a chance!

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:06

DavPaz wrote:

Malc wrote:

(dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Nope. I received the same note as you. And I suspect others did too.

So what are you then?

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:07

flis wrote:

Malc wrote:

Libyan - Davpaz and Flis (dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Malc

Other than, if he got the note....?

I wish I was Libyan, then I'd have a chance!

So what are you then?

Malc

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

Malc wrote:

flis wrote:

Malc wrote:

Libyan - Davpaz and Flis (dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Malc

Other than, if he got the note....?

I wish I was Libyan, then I'd have a chance!

So what are you then?

Malc

Getting annoyed with your double posts

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:09

DavPaz wrote:

Malc wrote:

flis wrote:

Malc wrote:

Libyan - Davpaz and Flis (dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)

Malc

Other than, if he got the note....?

I wish I was Libyan, then I'd have a chance!

So what are you then?

Malc

Getting annoyed with your double posts

The last 2 were not double, one was to you, one to flis!

So ner!

Malc

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

I'm not roleclaiming. That's a fools errand. Besides, I'm Flis, that's DavPaz over there.

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Joans wrote:

I think we're talking about offing you because there's a doubt as to whether you're French or Libyan. It seems fairly clear that you and SG are on the same side, so if we did off you and you're French, we're not going to off SG knowing he's French.

But if the French run tonight, then SG can be targeted by whichever kill roles survive tonight, the following night. If we leave Malc alive then whoever targets the French 'at some point' will get them both and definitely win.

The Afgan will protect himself tonight with the IED so he is definitely alive tomorrow to hopefully recruit the French the following night.

The Libyans will risk hitting anyone as they have a spare person, they too will try to target the French the following night.

The Brits are in a similar position but may be more cautious as I believe there is only one of them left.

I can't see a way for the Swiss to win, unless they get rid of the French and hope the bad guys kill each other off over night.

I don't believe the note would give you the name of someone who was a good guy if they really were a good guy. Seems like a waste of time, it's not really useful information, unless you're the bad guy giving your own name up.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

I'm still concerned about the fact that the notes have a 100% success rate so far. If we believe whoever it says is a good guy is good guy, then surely we have to believe that Malc is Libyan?
Also, who's sending the notes anyway, is there another role, or is Trooper trying to spice up the game a bit?

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

flis wrote:

But if the French run tonight, then SG can be targeted by whichever kill roles survive tonight, the following night. If we leave Malc alive then whoever targets the French 'at some point' will get them both and definitely win.

You are forgetting the rules

Quote:

France will become a member state of the first country that attacks the French President, and that attack will fail, be it an invasion or assassination. France takes on the attacking countries win condition and can communicate with the country members. France as a country no longer exists.

So if you leave Malc and me alive then the people attacking us poor French only have a 50% chance of getting the President, if Malc or i are disposed of today then it is a 100% hit chance, if you choose to off Malc/me today then the other tomorrow then you are giving the kill roles two free nights to thin the ranks and win. The only logical way forward is to side with Malc and me and hope that we get one of the kill roles with a vote now and hope that another is killed tonight.

*off topic* I am off for a 4 hour drive now so won't be able to check up on the thread again to later**

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:54

I received this on the night of day one:

Quote:

You pop back to your room to freshen up and find a note pushed under your door.

It reads:"Sinister is a nothing it is flis you want to go after. Mention Turnip in your post and I will send you more information"

The note is anonymous.

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 13:56

I alluded to "turnip" a couple of times, then compared one to DavPaz' head to see if I would get a second note. I didn't.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

So, just to try and keep track, we've had the following notes:
Malc & Gilly are both Libyans
Curiosity is an Infidel
XXX is a good guy
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't.

Hmm...

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Malc wrote:

Here is what I think

French - SG and me
Libyan - Davpaz and Flis (dav made the leap that Alarm was the xxxx when there was no data to make that leap)
Dutch - Alarm
Brit - GOSPVG
Afghan - Joans

Could be really wrong, but I don't think so, if anything GOSPVG and Joans might be the other way round.

Malc

I'm not a Brit

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

[vote:Joans]

On the basis of, if he doesn't know who's writing the notes, he can do much more damage than I can....

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Joans wrote:

I'm still concerned about the fact that the notes have a 100% success rate so far. If we believe whoever it says is a good guy is good guy, then surely we have to believe that Malc is Libyan?
Also, who's sending the notes anyway, is there another role, or is Trooper trying to spice up the game a bit?

The notes have proven to be right thus I'm tempted to vote for Malc

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

flis wrote:

[vote:Joans]

On the basis of, if he doesn't know who's writing the notes, he can do much more damage than I can....

How do you work that out?

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Joans wrote:

So, just to try and keep track, we've had the following notes:
Malc & Gilly are both Libyans
Curiosity is an Infidel
XXX is a good guy
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't.

Hmm...

Thanks for the summary, Flis do you have anything to add?

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Ok notes, has anyone received a note since Gilly's death?
Assuming she was the spy & sending the notes?

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 14:10

OK, new theory,

I have reread the private messages that SG reveived, and I think they were sent by the spy, who opted to join the Afghans, he gets in, and then sends that message as he wants to take over them, so he sends that message out and curio gets killed. I think he gets killed by the other person to get this message. Davpaz - so he must be a Brit.

So everything I have said before is wrong.

This maybe too, but it's something to chew on.

Malc

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

VOTE UPDATE

malc: 1 (DavPaz)
joans: 1 (flis)
flis: 2 (Malc, Slightly Green)

Not voted: 3 (gospvg, joans, alarm)

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required for a lynch, and 5 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 14:11

Joans wrote:

So, just to try and keep track, we've had the following notes:
Malc & Gilly are both Libyans
Curiosity is an Infidel
XXX is a good guy
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't.

Hmm...

The XXXX is Alarm

Malc

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

"With the US President gone, there is an internal power struggle & I want to take over the infidels.
Can you please remove Curiosity."

If the Spy is an Afghan then why would they want to kill Gilly who was a Libyan?
It would make more sense to kill a French, Dutch or anyone else?

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

gospvg wrote:

"With the US President gone, there is an internal power struggle & I want to take over the infidels.
Can you please remove Curiosity."

If the Spy is an Afghan then why would they want to kill Gilly who was a Libyan?
It would make more sense to kill a French, Dutch or anyone else?

Or even the US & Brits, still don't see why they would go after Gilly?

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Joans wrote:

flis wrote:

[vote:Joans]

On the basis of, if he doesn't know who's writing the notes, he can do much more damage than I can....

How do you work that out?

Well I know who I am, if we assume SG and Malc are French and Alarm is Swiss, that means everyone else is a bad guy.

I think the real Libyan spy is writing the notes, if you don't know who is writing them then that only leaves one bad guy you could be.

If you're going to vote me out, go ahead. I don't want to be part of a council that is lead by cowards instead of one that fights for what it believes in. We should be settling this like honourable men and fighting to the death....Under the cover of darkness....with masks on.

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

flis wrote:

If you're going to vote me out, go ahead. I don't want to be part of a council that is lead by cowards instead of one that fights for what it believes in. We should be settling this like honourable men and fighting to the death....Under the cover of darkness....with masks on.

Ok so you have a kill night action then.
So you are the Brit?

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

The notes

Malc & Gilly are both Libyans - Gilly Correct, Malc ?
Curiosity is an Infidel - Curiosity Correct
Alarm is a good guy - ?
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't. - ?

We have 7 players left with 4 roles described above possibly
Alarm - Dutch
Sinister - French
Malc - Libyan
Flis - Brit

Which leaves 3 players left Joans, DavPaz & I
If the spy is still alive then it is one of the 3 above and the other 2 are probably an Afghan & possibly another French? Or the Spy is dead & that would maybe make another peacekeaper or warmonger on the field.

The day does not end till tomorrow 10pm so no need to rush vote anyone.
Back to work for me now - I'll check in later if I can.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Sinister is dead.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 14:29

gospvg wrote:

The notes

Malc & Gilly are both Libyans - Gilly Correct, Malc ?
Curiosity is an Infidel - Curiosity Correct
Alarm is a good guy - ?
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't. - ?

We have 7 players left with 4 roles described above possibly
Alarm - Dutch
Sinister - French
Malc - Libyan
Flis - Brit

Which leaves 3 players left Joans, DavPaz & I
If the spy is still alive then it is one of the 3 above and the other 2 are probably an Afghan & possibly another French? Or the Spy is dead & that would maybe make another peacekeaper or warmonger on the field.

The day does not end till tomorrow 10pm so no need to rush vote anyone.
Back to work for me now - I'll check in later if I can.

Sinister is dead and I'm not Libyan, so either the notes are deliberatly misleading or at the least misinformed!

Malc

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

So far the only note that has proved to be at least partly true is the one about Gilly and Malc. That's the only one that was public knowledge before we knew Gilly was Libyan.

That does make me a bit suspicious of the one about Sinister and Flis because that really looks like it's someone trying to frame her.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Joans wrote:

So far the only note that has proved to be at least partly true is the one about Gilly and Malc. That's the only one that was public knowledge before we knew Gilly was Libyan.

That does make me a bit suspicious of the one about Sinister and Flis because that really looks like it's someone trying to frame her.

Hmm, although I've just read back to see who that was and it was Alarm's turnip note.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

I really confuddled. You bloody diplomats!

And as I type, I've just received a new note:

"Don't trust Joans. He knows who you all are"

I assume SG got that too?

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

If I knew who you all were my head wouldn't be about to explode.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

Joans wrote:

If I knew who you all were my head wouldn't be about to explode.

Oh, I have no doubt it's a lie.

But still... *narrows eyes*

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

DavPaz wrote:

Joans wrote:

If I knew who you all were my head wouldn't be about to explode.

Oh, I have no doubt it's a lie.

Because you made it up?

You and Gos are Libyans, yes?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38488

flis wrote:

You and Gos are Libyans, yes?

Why, y... AH, you nearly had me there. :belm:

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 15:14

So... Joans is one of Trooper's sock puppet accounts?

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

DavPaz wrote:

I really confuddled. You bloody diplomats!

And as I type, I've just received a new note:

"Don't trust Joans. He knows who you all are"

I assume SG got that too?

Nope i haven't received that note, tbh i am very suspect of all the notes. Just because it is in a note doesn't make it true, so i prefer to disregard them myself

*Work trip postponed to tomorrow morning, yay*

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Alarm wrote:

So... Joans is one of Trooper's sock puppet accounts?

I knew it.

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Joans wrote:

Sinister is dead.

Sorry my bad trying to have a few windows open & piece the puzzle is not easy

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

DavPaz wrote:

I really confuddled. You bloody diplomats!

And as I type, I've just received a new note:

"Don't trust Joans. He knows who you all are"

I assume SG got that too?

Ok I thought Gilly was the spy, if you have received another note then the spy is still alive.
Hmm?

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 15:55

I don't think Gilly was a spy. Grim... may have been one.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

If she wasn't then there must be a Libyan spy for her to know a spy even existed. Right?

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Corrected I think

Malc & Gilly are both Libyans - Gilly Correct, Malc ?
Curiosity is an Infidel - Curiosity Correct
Alarm is a good guy - ?
Sinister is a good guy, Flis isn't. - Sinister - Swiss Fils?

We have 7 players left with 3 roles described above possibly
Alarm - Dutch
Malc - Libyan
Flis - Brit

Which leaves 4 players left Joans, Slightly Green, DavPaz & I
If the spy is still alive then it is one of the 4 above and the other 3 are probably an Afghan French & possibly another French? Or the Spy is dead & that would maybe make another peacekeaper or warmonger on the field.

I'm off home now - confusion still reigns
Do we use the notes or ignore them?

They were right on Curiosity & Gilly

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 16:05

Joans wrote:

If she wasn't then there must be a Libyan spy for her to know a spy even existed. Right?

Unless the spy/spies recruited her? Perhaps they suggested she say she was a spy, hoping she would be challenged and lynched?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22288

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose outside the council chambers of the UN. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning, and the beginning of the next age will start sooner than people think.

Today ends at 10pm Wednesday now people, not Thursday! (i.e. in 5 hours time)

Have at it, you bunch of diplomats.

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

Quote:

UNScum : Day 5

VOTE UPDATE

malc: 1 (DavPaz)
joans: 1 (flis)
flis: 2 (Malc, Slightly Green)

Not voted: 3 (gospvg, joans, alarm)

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required for a lynch, and 5 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

So we have 3 hours and 9 mins, worst thing we can do is nothing in this situation.

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Slightly Green wrote:

So we have 3 hours and 9 mins, worst thing we can do is nothing in this situation.

You're quite right. [vote:Malc]

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