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Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Apr 17, 2015 22:03 ]
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The only real issue i can see with the mobile version is that it does not let you 'queue' up moves so when on the desktop i'll drag the characters to who they are going to kill - hit end move and watch the animations all play out i need to wait and attack each character separately (that was on a 3g connection so that may be part of it)
Author:  Trooper [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 14:24 ]
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I'm L57 with my mage and want to get to 60, but I also don't want to play a mech mage deck.
Slow going :D
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 18:07 ]
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What type of Mage you playing then?

There's Tempo Mage which is fast without being Aggro or Mech.

I'm still enjoying playing Fatigue and Freeze Mage, there's something very satisfying when you manage to pull the deck off, especially with Fatigue since you're expecting to have to counter all 30 cards in your opponent's deck and then win. (Unlike Gang Up Rogue where you're looking for opportunities to burn as many of their cards as possible.)

The mobile version of the game is fab, usually manage to get my daily quest done on my lunch break :D Although a mate has the game on his HTC M8 and I have to say it runs a lot nicer than it does on my Nexus 5.
Author:  Trooper [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 18:19 ]
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My own version of a mage, it's not doing too bad.
Author:  Trooper [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:01 ]
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Well, that was a fun 30 minutes...

The fights are interesting in the new wing, but I one-shotted everything without making any new decks.
Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:14 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Well, that was a fun 30 minutes...

The fights are interesting in the new wing, but I one-shotted everything without making any new decks.


Sounds perfect. I just want the cards, preferably without having to nuke any of my deck slots in the process.

One more wing and we'll have all the dragons going on, which should spice the meta up a bit.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:13 ]
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I put together a deck for the Mill dragon. Basically entirely 1-cost minions so that I always had a hilariously full board.

But yeah, all done as well as challenges. Heroic might be a bit more interesting but I've no time for that yet.

I've only got about 100g now so I'll be pushing it to have enough to buy the last wing on time.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 16:53 ]
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Heroics done. Combination of bullshit and RNG but the bastards still went down.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 17:05 ]
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The world is a safer place.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 18:11 ]
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Totes. Quite a lot of people saying this time though is that while you can build a deck to beat them, you need the right draw and they need a reasonably average one to have a chance. Think it was probably my 5th roll that beat the last one, and in some matches I was nowhere near.

Also they're confirmed as bugged if you have a taunt and Kelthuzad down. The AI won't attack. Unless the taunt is removed by some AOE the AI will just play minions and never attack with them. People have also said if the AI wasn't so fucking stupid the Heroic matches would be impossible. Probably true.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 23:23 ]
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Just opened the new wing and did the first battle.

I wonder what would have hatched had I not killed all the eggs immediately?
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 23:29 ]
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I think in Normal they're 5/4s, and 7/7s in Heroic.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 23:56 ]
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Won the 4 normals first pop each time. Was fun though.
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Apr 27, 2015 14:43 ]
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So there's this Warrior at 29 health and 24 armour, for an effective life total of 53.

He gets OTK-ed, no, really.....

(And this is a Legend ranked game, so it's not some daft confection between a couple of mates to break game mechanics.)
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Mon Apr 27, 2015 14:46 ]
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That was pretty amazing, but would have been slightly better if he'd played out the cards slower.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 16:29 ]
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Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 16:52 ]
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Nice!

Last wing of BRM tonight. I'll *just* scrape enough gold together to get it for free.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri May 01, 2015 0:03 ]
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Final wing done minus Heroics. Meeeh. The last fight was slightly more interesting but not by much. The class challenge looked like it had interesting cards but the AI was dead too quickly. The design of them this time has been terrible.
Author:  Hearthly [ Fri May 01, 2015 8:05 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Final wing done minus Heroics. Meeeh. The last fight was slightly more interesting but not by much. The class challenge looked like it had interesting cards but the AI was dead too quickly. The design of them this time has been terrible.


Do you feel this expansion has been poor value for money?
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:31 ]
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Yeah kind of, 700g for 5 cards and always < 45 mins of entertainment defeating the bosses.
Author:  Hearthly [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:46 ]
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I'd get onto Blizzard and be demanding a refund :p
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:49 ]
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Man, you only asked to set that up didn't you? :P
Author:  Hearthly [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:59 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Man, you only asked to set that up didn't you? :P


When you get to my age it's all about the small pleasures in life :hat:

I am looking forward to what dragon decks (if any!) become strong in the meta now that everything is out, and the legendary from the last wing looks like it could be anything from awesome to horrible :D
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri May 01, 2015 11:04 ]
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I watched Trump briefly last night try a Dragon Paladin, lost horribly, and then declared that someone else would have to get the glory of refining it into something playable. I haven't really added any new cards in to my decks apart from the emperor.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri May 01, 2015 11:26 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
I watched Trump briefly last night try a Dragon Paladin, lost horribly, and then declared that someone else would have to get the glory of refining it into something playable. I haven't really added any new cards in to my decks apart from the emperor.


I've added the one that doubles up on your cards to my Warlock deck as it works on all your other deck draws (like your hero ability)
Author:  Curiosity [ Fri May 01, 2015 19:40 ]
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I need another hundred or so gold to get the final wing. I've paid for 2 or 3 of the wings and used gold on the others.

I'm getting back into arena again at the moment, just for the sake of variety. I've had some awful runs; some my fault some with awful luck. Chose Priest for a laugh and then got almost zero useful Priest cards. Had a good run with a Hunter to 8 wins though.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 02, 2015 10:05 ]
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Servers seem to be on their arse today.

Had a Ranked game crap-out just as it was drawing towards the closing stages, and haven't been able to get back in since.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat May 02, 2015 12:19 ]
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Hahaha, you can't play injured blademaster against Maloriak! It makes it a 7/4, and then does 4 damage to it.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat May 02, 2015 21:43 ]
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Dusted, but meh. I'm not quite sure what I expected. I might just buy the next one and save the gold for packs.

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Author:  Hearthly [ Sun May 03, 2015 10:55 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
Dusted, but meh. I'm not quite sure what I expected. I might just buy the next one and save the gold for packs.


Well yes one way of looking at it is you've diddled yourself out of 35 packs of cards for the sake of saving £17.49 of real money, whereas 35 packs of cards would set you back thirty quid.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 03, 2015 11:24 ]
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Or saved myself at least £47.49 by just skillfully grinding the game ;)

I burned out a bit the other month, I'm literally only doing the quests now.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed May 06, 2015 17:31 ]
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30 million Hearthstone accounts have now been created. That's quite a lot!

Blizz really need to get some sort of catch-up mechanism in there though, a mate of mine has recently taken the game up and whilst he loves it to pieces he's a bit bewildered by the various expansions and the amount of time/money it'll take him to get a decent card collection together.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... -milestone
Author:  Trooper [ Fri May 08, 2015 22:01 ]
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

For zaphod as he was asking. The spreadsheet I now use, which does shit like this...
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Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri May 08, 2015 23:42 ]
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Trooper wrote:
For zaphod as he was asking. The spreadsheet I now use, which does shit like this...


Thanks - i'll see about adding my stuff to it and find out what i'm missing
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri May 08, 2015 23:51 ]
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Jesus Trooper talk about overkill, but I like your style ;)
Author:  Nemmie [ Sat May 09, 2015 7:05 ]
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Two down in my pointless but all consuming quest for golden portraits. Mage and Hunter.

Now going for Warlock. :)
Author:  Nemmie [ Sat May 09, 2015 7:06 ]
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Nemmie wrote:
Two down in my pointless but all consuming quest for golden portraits. Mage and Hunter.

Now going for Warlock. :)


That is one impressive spreadsheet.

Note to self : :belm:
Author:  Trooper [ Sat May 09, 2015 8:28 ]
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I stole it from someone else, i'm not that crazy to make something that complicated :D
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 09, 2015 11:31 ]
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I'm clearly going to be filling that in today.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sat May 09, 2015 12:03 ]
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Had a couple of fun losses.

One against a priest, he was on 8 health, I had Rag, Dr Boom and a couple more minions. He was on 5 health so had to kill both to survive.

Ruddy lightbomb. Kills them both and he goes on to win!

Next up, I was winning, but we both had a decent board. He trades off all the minions and ends up killing his own last legendary... the one that drops another legendary. It drops Kel Thazad or whatever his name is, and it resurects his entire board! He did apologise!

Also, my first time up against a Mill Rogue. He got a great draw (played six of those Murloc card draw bastards in about 6 turns!) and destroyed me.

All fun games though.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 09, 2015 12:40 ]
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Lightbomb is really popular in Priest decks right now, it deals with all sorts of problems very effectively.

Playing around your opponent having two of them in his deck isn't a bad way to go.
Author:  Nemmie [ Sat May 09, 2015 13:18 ]
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I think the rise of lightbomb is due to the rise of Grim Patron Warrior.

It is the only effective Priest answer to the "Get in here!" man.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 09, 2015 23:15 ]
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Here's a chap who's spent around $5000 on Hearthstone cards, with $3200 of that being in a single session.

http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-the-guy-who ... one-night/

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I would highly suggest at least spending $500 to have the majority of competitive cards. Like I said earlier, the game becomes so much more fun when you are able to play any deck.


I'd agree with the basic sentiment there, being able to play any deck you like the look of is really what's keeping this game going for me, because there's always something new to try.

My total expenditure is just over £150, and that's in 15 months of solid playing (tenner a month? Sounds fair to me for my second most played game EVER, second only to World of Warcraft), so I've also been getting 5-7 free packs per week from the daily quests and gold for wins.

End result is my collection is 'technically complete' in that whilst I don't have every card, I'm always sat on enough dust to craft a key epic/legendary or two to try something new out, so the net effect is pretty much the same.

So not pay to win, but definitely paying a chunk of cash buys freedom to play any and all decks you fancy a crack with.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sat May 09, 2015 23:55 ]
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Meanwhile, according to this super duper spreadsheet, I have 86.6% of unique cards and 84% of playable cards (i.e. two of each) for £0. :)
Author:  Hearthly [ Sun May 10, 2015 10:22 ]
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Well yes but you've been playing for long enough for F2P to be viable, and I remember you butt-hurting very badly last year about all the 'pay to winners' who were playing a disagreeable amount of cards you didn't like in your general direction.

You wear your F2P status like a strange badge of pride, different strokes and all that, but to those who don't mind paying a reasonable bit of cash for our entertainment, it doesn't make much sense either.

Also, for a new player coming into the game now, F2P just isn't viable at all, the gold grind required for Naxx alone is a formidable wall to climb and there are some key cards in there, add on what you need out of Classic and GvG to flesh out any sort of half decent collection (you could arguably ignore Blackrock) - and in realistic terms the game needs a chunk of cash chucking at it for a new player to get up and running.

Blizz need to draw a line in the sand IMO and do some sort of reasonably priced catch-up mechanism for Classic and Naxx.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 10, 2015 14:07 ]
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No catch-up mechanism required - it's like any real card game. You have to buy the packs to get the cards, whether you start now or started back then. Giving new players an artificial leg-up flies in the face of those who have put in the hours to build their collection up slowly.

One thing they could do is tweak some of the originally-nerfed basic cards that never see play now, because in their original form quite a lot of them aren't even remotely OP any more. Shattered Sun Cleric as a 3/3 for 3 mana (as it once was) that gives 1/1 isn't even as good as, say, a Dark Cultist that's a 3/4 for 3 and gives +3 health.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sun May 10, 2015 14:45 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
No catch-up mechanism required - it's like any real card game. You have to buy the packs to get the cards, whether you start now or started back then. Giving new players an artificial leg-up flies in the face of those who have put in the hours to build their collection up slowly.


I dunno, the game as it stands now is seriously hostile to new players. When we started playing there were just Classic cards, and it was entirely possible to put together a strong deck as an F2P-er in a reasonable timeframe, I can't be arsed checking back to the start of this thread but IIRC I was F2P for a couple of months before I dropped any cash. At that point I had pretty much the final iteration of a Trump F2P mage deck, and indeed when I bought my first 40 packs, the only change I made to that deck was a Cairne for a Boulderfist. (Which was a marginal change.)

(Even right back then, the primary reason I bought packs was just to give me the freedom to try other classes and decks.)

Look at the game now and Naxx is basically obligatory, you'd want maybe 40 packs of Classic, and 40 packs of GvG - to give you a decent chance of being able to put together a single competitive deck. (With the possible exception of shit like Face Hunter.)

Would it be so bad to offer a deal like Naxx + 60 packs of classic cards for £30? Only usable once per account, so even old-timers like us might bite just to get the discounted 60 packs for a chance at some legendaries we don't have and a guaranteed shitload of dust.

A game needs to be attractive to new players to continue to grow and indeed just maintain its player base, as there are always going to be players leaving, and those need to replaced with new players otherwise the game will just wither on the vine eventually.

The mate I mentioned a few posts back is 50/50 on whether or not he's going to jack the game in or persevere, because he's staring down the barrel of a spend of the best part of £100 (Naxx, 40 Classic, 40 GvG) to really feel like he has a chance. Even at Rank 20/19 he's coming up against decks loaded with quality epics and legendaries, producing combos and synergies he has no hope whatsoever of countering.

Your attitude is very much just 'I'm alright Jack' which isn't helpful to the game overall IMO. If new players are given discounts/leg ups to help them get into the game why do we care? It doesn't diminish our card collections in any way, and doesn't invalidate the time and effort we've put in to get where we are.

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One thing they could do is tweak some of the originally-nerfed basic cards that never see play now, because in their original form quite a lot of them aren't even remotely OP any more. Shattered Sun Cleric as a 3/3 for 3 mana (as it once was) that gives 1/1 isn't even as good as, say, a Dark Cultist that's a 3/4 for 3 and gives +3 health.


I dunno, you can bet that established players with near complete card collections will find all sorts of ways to fuck with game mechanics if any cards get 'un-nerfed', so whilst it might help newer players in some regards I'd guess it'd hurt them more as established players go back and look at what they can do with these more powerful iterations of older cards.

Also Dark Cultist versus the Cleric isn't really a fair comparison as the Cultist is a class card and they can be above average, plus the Cultist filled a gap for priest that really needed filling. (Plus Cultist isn't guaranteed to give his bonus, whereas the Cleric always does unless you play her into an empty board.)
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 10, 2015 16:22 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Your attitude is very much just 'I'm alright Jack' which isn't helpful to the game overall IMO.

Not at all. In fact sometimes 'classic' decks can completely wrong-foot a high-rank player playing a deck fit to the meta, and even I've been beaten by a complete noob with a deck that I just wasn't expecting.

The other question is your objective. Do you want to get to legend? You're probably not getting there with basic cards, but then why would you expect to? Legend takes time, effort, refinement and decent epics and legendaries. It's the top 0.2% for a reason.

In casual you have no idea what you're coming up against. It might be someone's first game or a legend player trying out a new crazy deck. There's no downside to losing, except for a bit of frustration.

In Arena it's a level playing field, and it's all about your understanding of tempo and the quality of the cards. If you're good you'll cash in on packs and cards.

There isn't nothing to do, for sure, but it's not as impossible as you think. If in doubt log in to America and see what you can do with the best basic L10 deck you can make. For some classes that's easier than others. Shaman is complete shit without a few specific commons and rares.

And, with the number of cards now it's really difficult to cut anything from your refined deck, so I think it's pretty unlikely that a 3/3 Shattered Sun would break the game, or a 1/2 Novice Engineer.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 10, 2015 16:28 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Also Dark Cultist versus the Cleric isn't really a fair comparison as the Cultist is a class card and they can be above average, plus the Cultist filled a gap for priest that really needed filling. (Plus Cultist isn't guaranteed to give his bonus, whereas the Cleric always does unless you play her into an empty board.)

More points on this. Cultist is still better than the 3/3 Cleric, so it still fits into your 'Class cards are better' criteria. And I think what you meant to say was that neither one is guaranteed to hit and entirely depends on the circumstances ;)
Author:  zaphod79 [ Sun May 10, 2015 16:33 ]
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My card status

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I'm not sure if i really am missing a common or have mistyped one field

** edit ** - no i really am missing Rampage which is a common Warrior card - however i've just crafted it for a whole 40 dust
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