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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Also iRacing needs to support it first, natch. Does that have it's own ecosystem or is it hooked into Oculus? Its own. I remember they provided support for the DK2 before the Oculus store even existed. And CV1 support wasn't available until one of their end of season updates. Same with Vive later. It's the main reason I plumped for a Rift over the Vive. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Having free movement room-scale VR without external sensors is a big plus for me I remain completely and utterly sceptical about how well this will work over time, the positioning is almost certain to drift off fairly quickly I'd expect, leading to nausea in short order. Also, without external sensors, any motion tracked controllers won't work unless the headset's sensors can see them - there won't be any more "reaching behind you to grab a shotgun you know is there" in Superhot VR. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
GazChap wrote: DavPaz wrote: Having free movement room-scale VR without external sensors is a big plus for me I remain completely and utterly sceptical about how well this will work over time, the positioning is almost certain to drift off fairly quickly I'd expect, leading to nausea in short order. From the videos I've seen, no issues were brought up about drift. As far as I'm aware, the tracking uses the HoloLens tech. Twin stereo cameras I believe, although MS are being a bit cagey about the specifics. Quote: Also, without external sensors, any motion tracked controllers won't work unless the headset's sensors can see them - there won't be any more "reaching behind you to grab a shotgun you know is there" in Superhot VR. That was addressed in the Tested video I watched. Your hand will lock into place when outside the forward FOV. Could be problem for some games, but surely most have your hands out in front? |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I shoot stuff in Superhot I'm not looking at all the time. There's even a cheevo for it. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I'm guessing there will be some limitations to not having external sensors, but you have to weigh up the pros and cons. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: surely most have your hands out in front? Only as much as you do in real life. Try restricting your hands see how well that works. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Mr Dave wrote: Try restricting your hands see how well that works. Now you sound like my wife. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 14:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
So after having watched a million annoying Youtubers and juggling some finances around, I have ordered a Lenovo Mixed Reality Headset to be delivered tomorrow. I will report on successes and failures tomorrow, assuming that my lovely wife doesn't murder me for spending money 
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| Author: | devilman [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 14:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: So after having watched a million annoying Youtubers and juggling some finances around, I have ordered a Lenovo Mixed Reality Headset to be delivered tomorrow. I will report on successes and failures tomorrow, assuming that my lovely wife doesn't murder me for spending money Was there no chance of it being cheaper tomorrow? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 14:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I hadn't even considered that. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 15:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 15:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 21:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Grey Thursday. Probably not anyway, they've just been released. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 21:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I guess we'll find out tomorrow |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bah, the HP one is down to £300 on Amazon. Never mind, it's probably sold out anyway. Either way, mine has been delivered!! |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Bah, the HP one is down to £300 on Amazon. Never mind, it's probably sold out anyway. Ask them to refund the difference. After all, you could return it under the distance selling act and rebuy at the lower price. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/reques ... ge-refund/ |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: DavPaz wrote: Bah, the HP one is down to £300 on Amazon. Never mind, it's probably sold out anyway. Ask them to refund the difference. After all, you could return it under the distance selling act and rebuy at the lower price. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/reques ... ge-refund/ I bought the Lenovo through Curry's though. Which hasn't changed in price. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Currys?! Oh. Well, if you're just gonna jam the fork right into your eye and wriggle it around, there's not much we can do to help
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
We could push on the fork. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Currys?! Oh. Well, if you're just gonna jam the fork right into your eye and wriggle it around, there's not much we can do to help I like pain. |
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| Author: | Trousers [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 16:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Currys?! Oh. Well, if you're just gonna jam the fork right into your eye and wriggle it around, there's not much we can do to help Attachment: is that currys.jpg "Hello is that Currys?" |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Nov 24, 2017 23:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
It's good! More details later. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
So first impressions. The inside out tracking works really, really well. I didn't notice any difference between it and Dave's Vive. I managed to get to the extent of the cable (4m) just strolling around and it works great. The controllers do lose tracking, but the have to be pretty far outside your fov for it to happen. The controllers themselves are a little bit slick and weirdly, light. Fully mapped to Steam VR stuff though, with proper models and everything. The image is crisp and clear, with one problem: the sweet spot is quite small. Looking down with your eyes instead of your head shows a bit of blur. Otherwise though, much less screen dooring than the vive, and a lighter helmet overall. I haven't done any gaming yet as I've only had one evening at it and Google earth VR took up most of that. Stomping around new York at skyscraper eye level was superb! |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I had a longer go last night (until 1am on school night, naughty) and got a bit of gaming in on Space Pirate Trainer. Man, I forgot how intense that game is when you see laser blasts arrowing at your face. It looks really bloody nice in the WMR headset too. You can see where the extra pixels have gone over the vive with distant objects and smaller text. One downside is the extra faff involved in launching Steam VR games, but being able to flip up the visor is a godsend. I reckon there'll be a windows store app along soon enough to launch Steam VR direct from the "Cliff House ®". I hope so, anyway. Yay, Windows! Also annoying is The Lab from Valve refuses to launch for some reason. I get the initial room full of valves (which is strangely intimidating), but the game craps out at the first loading screen. As does the Steam VR tutorial. I've stumped up for a few games (a golf game from the Windows Store and Job Simulator because I'm a masochist) and I've made a list of free stuff to get from Steam. I'm going to introduce the kids to it one evening this week, so I need something friendly and non-intimidating to show them. Arizona Sunshine is not that. Any recommendations? Also, it turns out if I want to play Dirt Rally in VR, I'm going to have to involve the Occulus ecosystem at some point. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Could a kindly mod pull all of my WMR waffling into a separate thread please? |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: I need something friendly and non-intimidating to show them. Arizona Sunshine is not that. Any recommendations Doom VFR |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Could a kindly mod pull all of my WMR waffling into a separate thread please? This could just be the "PC VR thread." I don't think we need multiple threads for that. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I think the main point is to look down upon xbox one owners and their inability to VR it up. And that. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 13:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: DavPaz wrote: Could a kindly mod pull all of my WMR waffling into a separate thread please? This could just be the "PC VR thread." I don't think we need multiple threads for that. True. Could a nice mod change the title? |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 14:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Extra res would be nice, but really I need a decent FOV increase to tempt me. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 14:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Oh and as I haven't mentioned it yet, Minecraft in VR made me sick as a dog. To the extent that I was still mildly dizzy the following morning. Might need to work up to free movement. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 14:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: Extra res would be nice, but really I need a decent FOV increase to tempt me. I definitely wouldn't go for a WMR set if you already have a rift or vive, but it's awesome to have a another option for buyers. Cue Occulus and HTC announcing new, wireless, 4K sets in January 
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 14:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: it's awesome to have a another option for buyers. Assuming that WMR shares drivers with one of the others, otherwise it's yet another thing to code for (and will become obsolete as one of the others "wins"). |
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| Author: | markg [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 14:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: Extra res would be nice, but really I need a decent FOV increase to tempt me. The FOV is ok for racing isn't it? Kind of feels like peering out of a crash helmet. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 15:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: it's awesome to have a another option for buyers. Assuming that WMR shares drivers with one of the others, otherwise it's yet another thing to code for (and will become obsolete as one of the others "wins"). From what I've seen, Steam has fully embraced it in the same way that it embraced Occulus. There are updated controller models and everything
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 15:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Grim... wrote: Assuming that WMR shares drivers with one of the others, otherwise it's yet another thing to code for (and will become obsolete as one of the others "wins"). My money is on WMR being the standard that prevails. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 16:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Assuming that WMR shares drivers with one of the others, otherwise it's yet another thing to code for (and will become obsolete as one of the others "wins"). My money is on WMR being the standard that prevails. Interesting. Can you expand? |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 16:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
I hadn't even heard of WMR until DavPaz mentioned it in this thread. Still not sure what it does - I could search, but ... |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 16:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Assuming that WMR shares drivers with one of the others, otherwise it's yet another thing to code for (and will become obsolete as one of the others "wins"). My money is on WMR being the standard that prevails. Interesting. Can you expand? Given the photos of food he keeps posting, I would say it’s inevitable. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Interesting. Can you expand? It already has backing from Steam + Microsoft and has multiple OEMs behind it. It's immediately the standard to beat in terms of "building a VR ecosystem." Vive is tied into HTC's failing fortunes, and will probably die with it. Oculus is backed by deep pockets but ultimately can't have the same clout on the desktop as the company that literally makes the desktops. Remember what happend to broad OpenGL adoption after DirectX shipped? WMR is the DirectX of VR. Watch for when Oculus ships some software update that makes it WMR-compatible (or does that already exist?) That's a key turning point. Curiosity wrote: Given the photos of food he keeps posting, I would say it’s inevitable. Oh, bravo.
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| Author: | TheVision [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Yeah Davpaz, how about some pictures of the thing? I'm intrigued and no... I haven't googled it. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
TheVision wrote: Yeah Davpaz, how about some pictures of the thing? I'm intrigued and no... I haven't googled it. It's pretty boring to look at but... 
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Needs more googly eyes. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
So do you not have the cameras set up around the room then? |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
DavPaz wrote: TheVision wrote: Yeah Davpaz, how about some pictures of the thing? I'm intrigued and no... I haven't googled it. It's pretty boring to look at but... I don’t know, a choke chain and some furry handcuffs and you’re good to go. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
TheVision wrote: So do you not have the cameras set up around the room then? It doesn't use any, that's what "inside out tracking" means. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Bamba wrote: TheVision wrote: So do you not have the cameras set up around the room then? It doesn't use any, that's what "inside out tracking" means.  It uses voodoo and ketchup.
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 17:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
markg wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Extra res would be nice, but really I need a decent FOV increase to tempt me. The FOV is ok for racing isn't it? Kind of feels like peering out of a crash helmet. Not really. A crash helmet gives you more peripheral vision than these currently. I have to turn my head to look in the wing mirrors, rather than being able to glance for a split-second. It's why I haven't ditched the iRacing virtual mirror just yet. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 23:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Hey, the lab works tonight. That's good news. I tried a rollercoaster sim. I wish I hadn't. 
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PCVR |
Just spent far too long dicking about in the Oculus First Contact thingy. I'm loving this. |
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