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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 13:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
What if you were the first to have a go? |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
markg wrote: Would a rollercoaster ride be long enough to cause those sorts of problems? I mean if rollercoasters went on for as long as most VR experiences do then people would probably be vomiting regardless. Yes, VR motion sickness can come on in seconds in my experience. One bad disconnect between brain and body is all it takes if you are susceptible. |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I see. Well anyone who's that much of a lily liver is probably best avoiding rollercoasters anyway. |
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| Author: | Trousers [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Trooper wrote: markg wrote: Would a rollercoaster ride be long enough to cause those sorts of problems? I mean if rollercoasters went on for as long as most VR experiences do then people would probably be vomiting regardless. Yes, VR motion sickness can come on in seconds in my experience. One bad disconnect between brain and body is all it takes if you are susceptible. Temple Run VR has so far today made everyone that tried it report "That made me feel sick". I am wandering about the office making people feel nauseous. So no change there then. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 17:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
markg wrote: Would a rollercoaster ride be long enough to cause those sorts of problems? I mean if rollercoasters went on for as long as most VR experiences do then people would probably be vomiting regardless. Just spending 5 seconds walking forwards in Alien: Isolation when my body knows that it's not actually walking forwards is enough to render me incapable of pretty much anything except sleeping and shitting for up to 12 hours. |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Jan 13, 2016 23:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I've found that getting older has made me a lot more sensitive to things like motion sickness, feelings of nausea, headaches from flashing lights, eye strain etc. VR does sound quite exciting but I fear I may be too old by the time it gets good... |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Sir Taxalot wrote: I've found that getting older has made me a lot more sensitive to things like motion sickness, feelings of nausea, headaches from flashing lights, eye strain etc. VR does sound quite exciting but I fear I may be too old by the time it gets good... My thoughts exactly. I used to be able to play anything and be fine but the other week I tried the original Perfect Dark and that sent my head all wonky. I daren't even look at Timesplitters. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I know what you mean about getting older. e.g. If I go on a swing now I pretty much instantly feel just like I'm having a whitey but then again I've used Google cardboard for quite long periods with no ill effects so I'm hopeful that I'd be ok with an even better VR thing. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
markg wrote: having a whitey I read that as "whitney" and got very confused! |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Yeah, it's a few steps down from a full on whitney. |
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| Author: | Zio [ Thu Jan 14, 2016 15:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
In my experience, things like Elite Dangerous, where you're supposed to be strapped into a chair in the game world, translated brilliantly into VR. It massively improved the playing experience. But anything like an FPS, where you move around in the game world but are obviously not moving in real life, made me feel as sick as a dog. |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
markg wrote: I know what you mean about getting older. e.g. If I go on a swing now I pretty much instantly feel just like I'm having a whitey Swings do the same to me now too, which is a shame as I used to love swings as a kid. Roundabouts are the worst for me, I hate feeling dizzy - to think we used to lay down on them, looking up to the sky with our heads hanging over the edge 
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| Author: | TheVision [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I'm feeling sick just thinking about that. |
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| Author: | Trousers [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I watched a 360 video shot from the cockpit of a stunt jet last night. I almost snapped my neck trying to angle my head in line with the aircraft and then it went upside down. I almost hurled. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Everyone is blathering about this Rift thing and VR but surely we should be chomping at the bit to get our mitts on the "omni-directional platform." Just look at that thing. It looks totes the balls. https://i.imgur.com/9Tw8dlR.gifv I saw a version of this used at EGX 2 years back and whilst it was nowhere near as ergonomic as the one in that clip, it still looked like brilliant fun. I've always thought sitting on your sofa with VR looked daft as shit (and would probably hurt your neck after a while) but going for a literal run about in an open world would be the coolest thing ever. Unless you're a big fatty, presumably. |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 22:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
At least it might cut down on some of that silly hopping around business in FPSeseses. In a  moment, I wondered why the 'video clip' seemed repetitive and then realised it was actually just looping. Then realised it was a GIF. Might be a slow day for me today.
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 14:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddkenreck ... 4c51f811d3 So looks like get the HTC Vive if you want a high-end experience, and PS VR if you want something something more accessible and cheaper. Oculus might be squeezed out at both ends of the market. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
What a poorly written article. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Mr Dave wrote: What a poorly written article. He seems to really like the HTC. Suspiciously so. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Could be it's really good. I've neither used the HTC or read the article 
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
DavPaz wrote: Mr Dave wrote: What a poorly written article. He seems to really like the HTC. Suspiciously so. I've read quite a few articles on it and it does seem to be the bee's knees. I suspect it'll be significantly more expensive than the Rift though. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: DavPaz wrote: Mr Dave wrote: What a poorly written article. He seems to really like the HTC. Suspiciously so. I've read quite a few articles on it and it does seem to be the bee's knees. I suspect it'll be significantly more expensive than the Rift though. I read somewhere that as well as the headset (which is wireless) you need a load of sensor posts placed around the room so it can build a virtual map of the space you're in; I can't imagine all that's going to be cheap. ETA: actually, it's not 'a load' of sensors; it's just two. ETA2: and the headset won't actually be wireless at all. Man, I just made up a load of shit there didn't I? |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bamba wrote: Lonewolves wrote: DavPaz wrote: Mr Dave wrote: What a poorly written article. He seems to really like the HTC. Suspiciously so. I've read quite a few articles on it and it does seem to be the bee's knees. I suspect it'll be significantly more expensive than the Rift though. I read somewhere that as well as the headset (which is wireless) you need a load of sensor posts placed around the room so it can build a virtual map of the space you're in; I can't imagine all that's going to be cheap. It's not wireless from what I've read, it's got a cable running from the headset down the back that might cause issues for some people. Also it needs two lighthouse boxes, not loads. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... c-vive-pre |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 16:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I've long been enthusiastic about VR but to me it still all looks like an "experience" rather than something you're truly going to spend significant amounts of time on at home. Maybe I'm way wrong. Do people who already have an Oculus Rift really spend much time with it or do they set it up marvel at it for an bit here and there and then go back to playing some of those same games on a normal screen? |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 18:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
It was the main way I played Elite, just a shame Elite didn't have much game to play in the end... |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 18:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I literally haven't touched Elite since I sold my technohat. I expect I'll be all over it when I get a new one. |
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| Author: | lasermink [ Fri Jan 29, 2016 19:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I checked recently, and it appears I've spent more than a 1000 hours in Elite: Dangerous! And I only even started dipping into joining up with other players recently, which has opened up a whole new aspect. Last I logged in, I chatted with a guy with whom I'd previously had fun chasing (real player) pirates out of a community goal system. It turned out he was in a neighbouring system, so we spent a fun couple of hours practising PVP against each other. There is plenty of game there, but you have to be a part of making it happen. |
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| Author: | Pundabaya [ Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
How much are you betting that EA/Ubisoft charge extra for Occulus/PS VR/HTC thingy DLC, citing the extra work it takes to set up the game for VR... |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Oculus are offering Rift bundles which include all the Rift kit and a pre-built PC that meets/exceeds their minimum spec from Asus, Alienware and Dell. Possibly of use to someone here is the fact that if you're already pre-ordered a Rift kit you can contact them to get one of the PCs and they'll make sure you still get the discount you would've got had you ordered one of these bundles. With the caveats that they haven't actually confirmed if the programme will be run in the UK and I've no idea if the bundles are actually a good deal or not. What little details are available can be seen here: https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/pre-o ... bruary-16/ |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
$1500USD Holy shit eve.... |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
MaliA wrote: Holy shit eve.... Not Eve Online, Eve Valkyrie. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Sun Feb 21, 2016 22:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Vive is $200 more... Bit spenny. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Quote: I've found that getting older has made me a lot more sensitive to things like motion sickness, feelings of nausea, headaches from flashing lights, eye strain etc. VR does sound quite exciting but I fear I may be too old by the time it gets good... I'm the same, we have a couple of Rifts at work, they are used for looking a molecules, there has also been a lot of gaming and other none work stuff done on them as well  Can't use them from very long before I feel sick. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I found that the first time in VR (aside from a very quick try with Gazchaps rift) made me very headachey. But it got easier and now causes no problems. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Mr Dave wrote: Vive is $200 more... Bit spenny. They're both a bit spenny, but this seems better value considering you get the controllers and room sensors bundled. I'm just waiting on game support (iRacing in particular). |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Seems that theres a bit of a difference in that the rift is more designed for desk use, while vive requires a room. That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Mr Dave wrote: Seems that theres a bit of a difference in that the rift is more designed for desk use, while vive requires a room. That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. The Vive has a front-facing camera. I suspect you'll be able to use it to see where your table is. 
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Mr Dave wrote: That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. You'll be able to with the Vive as well apparently. They sensors will map the walls and objects in the room and they'll show up somehow in the game world so you don't walk into stuff. Apparently. I think the Vive has the potential for more interesting experiences if you've got the room for it and the games are made well; but those are both iffy prospects for a lot of people. The Rift will suit most people better and probably require less revolutionary development idea be implemented so my gut feel is it'll be better supported. I have no concrete basis for any of this of course. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
I'd probably go with the Rift, mainly because they've done far more research into what makes for a good (and crucially, non vomit-inducing) VR experience, and their SDK is supposedly more advanced because of it. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bamba wrote: Mr Dave wrote: That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. You'll be able to with the Vive as well apparently. They sensors will map the walls and objects in the room and they'll show up somehow in the game world so you don't walk into stuff. Apparently. I think the Vive has the potential for more interesting experiences if you've got the room for it and the games are made well; but those are both iffy prospects for a lot of people. The Rift will suit most people better and probably require less revolutionary development idea be implemented so my gut feel is it'll be better supported. I have no concrete basis for any of this of course. Don't forget that the Vive is being developed with Steam integration in mind though, so that's a big plus. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: Bamba wrote: Mr Dave wrote: That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. You'll be able to with the Vive as well apparently. They sensors will map the walls and objects in the room and they'll show up somehow in the game world so you don't walk into stuff. Apparently. I think the Vive has the potential for more interesting experiences if you've got the room for it and the games are made well; but those are both iffy prospects for a lot of people. The Rift will suit most people better and probably require less revolutionary development idea be implemented so my gut feel is it'll be better supported. I have no concrete basis for any of this of course. Don't forget that the Vive is being developed with Steam integration in mind though, so that's a big plus. What exactly do you mean by Steam integration? Any PC game released on Steam is technically integrated with it (which pretty much all Rift games will be) so what extra functionality are we talking about here? |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: Don't forget that the Vive is being developed with Steam integration in mind though, so that's a big plus. Half-Life 3 Vive exclusive confirmed. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bamba wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Bamba wrote: Mr Dave wrote: That requirement reminds me a bit of kinect, although with that you could at least see the table you were about to smack into. You'll be able to with the Vive as well apparently. They sensors will map the walls and objects in the room and they'll show up somehow in the game world so you don't walk into stuff. Apparently. I think the Vive has the potential for more interesting experiences if you've got the room for it and the games are made well; but those are both iffy prospects for a lot of people. The Rift will suit most people better and probably require less revolutionary development idea be implemented so my gut feel is it'll be better supported. I have no concrete basis for any of this of course. Don't forget that the Vive is being developed with Steam integration in mind though, so that's a big plus. What exactly do you mean by Steam integration? Any PC game released on Steam is technically integrated with it (which pretty much all Rift games will be) so what extra functionality are we talking about here? It's being developed in conjunction with Valve, so I'd just expect it to work better because of it. I mean obviously I don't have any concrete proof that it's the case, but it would make sense. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Don't forget that the Vive is being developed with Steam integration in mind though, so that's a big plus. Half-Life 3 Vive exclusive confirmed. Only on SteamOS! |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Lonewolves wrote: It's being developed in conjunction with Valve, so I'd just expect it to work better because of it. I mean obviously I don't have any concrete proof that it's the case, but it would make sense. I'm still not sure what you mean here. Steam's essentially just a delivery platform so there's no 'working better' with it; your game either downloads, installs and runs or it doesn't, surely? |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bamba wrote: Lonewolves wrote: It's being developed in conjunction with Valve, so I'd just expect it to work better because of it. I mean obviously I don't have any concrete proof that it's the case, but it would make sense. I'm still not sure what you mean here. Steam's essentially just a delivery platform so there's no 'working better' with it; your game either downloads, installs and runs or it doesn't, surely? I dunno. I guess I'll find out when I press the Steam VR button in the client...
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Bamba wrote: Steam's essentially just a delivery platform so there's no 'working better' with it Not true, it has game-facing APIs like SteamCloud save syncing and Steam Controller support. Admittedly these are thin right now but you could see Vive support being baked into Steam. For example, I get one place inside Big Picture to do the (complex) configuration and calibration of my Vive, and then all games can just read the config from there instead of requiring me to go through it all again.
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 13:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Bamba wrote: Steam's essentially just a delivery platform so there's no 'working better' with it Not true, it has game-facing APIs like SteamCloud save syncing and Steam Controller support. Admittedly these are thin right now but you could see Vive support being baked into Steam. For example, I get one place inside Big Picture to do the (complex) configuration and calibration of my Vive, and then all games can just read the config from there instead of requiring me to go through it all again.As you say with the cloud and contorller support though those are APIs so the amount of 'integration' a game brings depends on the developer implementing it, or not, at the software layer. Someone could still happily knock out a Vive game and not use any of that at all. The same as someone can write a non-Vive game that uses it to the hilt. The Vive hardware itself has nothing to do with it so I still don't see that as a bullet point in it's favour versus the Rift. ETA: I take your point about the Vive config itself, though I had assumed the headset itself would come with some kind of config mechanism that could then be read by all the games even without a central broker like Steam. That could well just be naivety/ignorance on my part though. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 14:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
But this way you get the best possible Vive experience for all the hundreds of millions of happy SteamOS user— fuck it couldn't deadpan that one. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 15:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oculus Rift |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: But this way you get the best possible Vive experience for all the hundreds of millions of happy SteamOS user— fuck it couldn't deadpan that one. 
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