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Plants v Zombies: Garden Warfare currently free on PSN (also Mirror's Edge for PS3 and NFS: Most Wanted for Vita).

American Nativity wrote:

Plants v Zombies: Garden Warfare currently free on PSN (also Mirror's Edge for PS3 and NFS: Most Wanted for Vita).

Is that actually live for you? Mine's still saying they cost money.

Just refreshed browser and now they're free! Looking forward to playing pvz looks like fun.

Final Fantasy VII: Your Chance To Buy It Again Grim...

(Recent up-res PC edition confirmed console exclusive for PS4. Not a remake, though.)

We can scratch Resogun from our list, Zaphod.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/12/ ... 5_36768857

That's the bloody future right there, and pulls the rug out under the WiiU to a large extent.

By what metric? "Plays Nintendo games" I'll grant you, but "likelihood of enjoying a long and fruitful life of third party dev support" doesn't favour Nintendo at all. The Wii-U is going to be starved of games even more than the Wii was, I reckon.

By what metric? "Plays Nintendo games" I'll grant you,

Intersting. So you don't buy things based at all on how useful they will be in the future then? You strictly only consider how useful they are right now?

But would you choose a Wii-U to be the only one of the three you own?

I'm aware that this could be seen as a failing on my part but I'm pretty sure I'm not unique. The only titles I can think of that I'd really want to play on there are the new Mario (which I would get bored of and never finish) and the new Zelda next year (which I would get bored of and never finish). :shrug:

I would buy 2, maybe 3, off that list. That's be enough to keep me extremely happy over the Christmas period.

Saturnalian wrote:

I would buy 2, maybe 3, off that list. That's be enough to keep me extremely happy over the Christmas period.

That's not all of them, just the ones I'd be interested in. There are plenty more.

Most games on the PS4 aren't released broken.

True exclusives:
Bayonetta 2
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Hyrule Warriors
Lego City Undercover
Mario Kart 8
NES Remix/2
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Pikmin 3
Super Mario 3D World
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
ZombiU
The Wonderful 101

Timed console exclusive:
Shovel Knight

PS4 and XBO do not even come near that right now, IMO.

So, Mario Kart.

I'm not getting burned again after the useless Wii.

American Nativity wrote:

So, Mario Kart.

I'm not getting burned again after the useless Wii.

There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later.

Bamba wrote:

There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later.

Or the Wii U. Gone Home is a Wii U console exclusive, for example.

American Nativity wrote:

Bamba wrote:

There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later.

Or the Wii U. Gone Home is a Wii U console exclusive, for example.

Really? Did they do anything different with it?

Platinum games suck.

I wonder how many games there are that are on PS4 and XBOne but not WiiU. Not exclusives, but important when deciding what to buy.

See, and that's why platform exclusives are a bit of a nonentity of a metric.

Indeed. Which explains why how import a metric of "the games that buying this box lets me play" is subjective.

Author:	Ramsea [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 21:48 ]
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American Nativity wrote: Plants v Zombies: Garden Warfare currently free on PSN (also Mirror's Edge for PS3 and NFS: Most Wanted for Vita). Is that actually live for you? Mine's still saying they cost money. Just refreshed browser and now they're free! Looking forward to playing pvz looks like fun.

Author:	myp [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 21:57 ]
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Ramsea wrote: American Nativity wrote: Plants v Zombies: Garden Warfare currently free on PSN (also Mirror's Edge for PS3 and NFS: Most Wanted for Vita). Is that actually live for you? Mine's still saying they cost money. Just refreshed browser and now they're free! Looking forward to playing pvz looks like fun. I bought it when it was on sale for £13 and I've barely touched it. Oh well!

Author:	zaphod79 [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 23:48 ]
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Archive of the twitch stream if anyone wants to watch the whole event http://www.twitch.tv/playstation/v/3589809

Author:	Grim... [ Sun Dec 07, 2014 0:46 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Final Fantasy VII: Your Chance To Buy It Again Grim... (Recent up-res PC edition confirmed console exclusive for PS4. Not a remake, though.) I only have the PS1 version, to be honest.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Mon Dec 15, 2014 21:10 ]
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Just travelled 200km away from home, and then used my Vita to turn on my PS4 and play geometry wars 3 and far cry 4, without any (noticeable) lag and in perfect quality. Unbelievable how well it works. That's the bloody future right there, and pulls the rug out under the WiiU to a large extent. The only slight flaws are: 1) I've got to ring the wife if I want the disks swapped (and I'm not sure she knows how to eject, due to those touch sensors) 2) the back screen touch pads do not work well as a replacement for L1/R1 (but the front screen does a much better job).

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Author:	zaphod79 [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 17:57 ]
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American Nativity wrote: We can scratch Resogun from our list, Zaphod. http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/12/ ... 5_36768857 Vita version is on the store now - free if you have the PS4 one

Author:	Trousers [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 18:18 ]
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Dr Lave wrote: That's the bloody future right there, and pulls the rug out under the WiiU to a large extent. I don't think anybody cares about the second screen on the Wii-U these days. It's all about the software. Also that's a pretty high cost of entry compared to an all in one Wii-U.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:11 ]
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Don't get me wrong trousers. The WiiU in genuinely the best next gen console. By a huge margin.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:26 ]
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By what metric? "Plays Nintendo games" I'll grant you, but "likelihood of enjoying a long and fruitful life of third party dev support" doesn't favour Nintendo at all. The Wii-U is going to be starved of games even more than the Wii was, I reckon.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:15 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: By what metric? "Plays Nintendo games" I'll grant you, but "likelihood of enjoying a long and fruitful life of third party dev support" doesn't favour Nintendo at all. The Wii-U is going to be starved of games even more than the Wii was, I reckon. It's genuinely the best console because it has the best library of games right now. If anyone was asking me which console to get someone for Christmas this year, I'd say a Wii U.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:16 ]
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Intersting. So you don't buy things based at all on how useful they will be in the future then? You strictly only consider how useful they are right now?

Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:16 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: By what metric? "Plays Nintendo games" I'll grant you, Its also the 'exclusive' ones for each console which also makes the Wii-U look good If i was going to buy another 'new' console right now i'd take the Wii-U over the Xbox one simply because anything big 3rd party that comes out will make it to the PS4 but if i want to play Smash / Mario Kart / Bayonetta 2 then the only place to play them is the Wii-U (whereas the Xbox one its just Sunset Overdrive and Halo)

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:22 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Intersting. So you don't buy things based at all on how useful they will be in the future then? You strictly only consider how useful they are right now? I've got a PS4 for the future. I've got a Wii U for right now. Want to have fun playing games this Christmas? Put a Wii U under the tree. If I could only choose one current-gen console right now to have, it would be the Wii U. The exclusives on the PS4/XBO are weak, and mostly everything else is available last-gen, or PC/Mac. This will change over the next 12-18 months.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:25 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: But would you choose a Wii-U to be the only one of the three you own? No , and I agree its the logical 'second' choice - the only other caveat would be if you were happy with PC gaming which would also give you most of the big games (I play plenty of stuff on the PC but my first choice would generally be a console)

Author:	markg [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:26 ]
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I'm aware that this could be seen as a failing on my part but I'm pretty sure I'm not unique. The only titles I can think of that I'd really want to play on there are the new Mario (which I would get bored of and never finish) and the new Zelda next year (which I would get bored of and never finish).

Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:32 ]
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markg wrote: I'm aware that this could be seen as a failing on my part but I'm pretty sure I'm not unique. The only titles I can think of that I'd really want to play on there are the new Mario (which I would get bored of and never finish) and the new Zelda next year (which I would get bored of and never finish). New Zelda looks good but isnt out yet and 'New' Mario is actually last years game :-) The big Wii-U titles for 2014 were Smash Bros Mario Kart Bayonetta 2 I understand that Myp is also pointing out that if you go for stuff since launch you can add Zombie U , Mario Bros , Nintendoland , and a number of other good games to the list and as those are now 1 or 2 years old you'll get them cheap so you are almost at the stage where its worth picking one up for the library that is available

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:37 ]
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True exclusives: Bayonetta 2 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Hyrule Warriors Lego City Undercover Mario Kart 8 NES Remix/2 New Super Mario Bros. U Nintendo Land Pikmin 3 Super Mario 3D World Super Smash Bros. for Wii U The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD ZombiU The Wonderful 101 Timed console exclusive: Shovel Knight PS4 and XBO do not even come near that right now, IMO.

Author:	Satsuma [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:43 ]
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I would buy 2, maybe 3, off that list. That's be enough to keep me extremely happy over the Christmas period.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:46 ]
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Saturnalian wrote: I would buy 2, maybe 3, off that list. That's be enough to keep me extremely happy over the Christmas period. That's not all of them, just the ones I'd be interested in. There are plenty more.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:47 ]
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Yep, I'd enjoy some of the first party games off that list, and do definitely want a WiiU at some point (as soon as I see a decent bundle). The trouble is when I look at what I've played over the last year since the PS4 came out almost none are available on the WiiU so I wouldn't want that as my only console

Author:	Satsuma [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:49 ]
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American Nativity wrote: Saturnalian wrote: I would buy 2, maybe 3, off that list. That's be enough to keep me extremely happy over the Christmas period. That's not all of them, just the ones I'd be interested in. There are plenty more. I doubt I'd buy any more than 3 games for Christmas anyway. I'd mop up the rest later in the year.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:09 ]
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Also I'd like to say that most games on the Wii U aren't released broken...

Author:	Satsuma [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:23 ]
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Most games on the PS4 aren't released broken.

Author:	Trooper [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:27 ]
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Most games on the PS4 aren't released broken.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:29 ]
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Saturnalian wrote: Most games on the PS4 aren't released broken. One is too many. Also I was going to say 'none of the games released on the Wii U have been broken' but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Author:	Curiosity [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:36 ]
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American Nativity wrote: True exclusives: Bayonetta 2 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Hyrule Warriors Lego City Undercover Mario Kart 8 NES Remix/2 New Super Mario Bros. U Nintendo Land Pikmin 3 Super Mario 3D World Super Smash Bros. for Wii U The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD ZombiU The Wonderful 101 Timed console exclusive: Shovel Knight PS4 and XBO do not even come near that right now, IMO. So, Mario Kart. I'm not getting burned again after the useless Wii.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:45 ]
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Curiosity wrote: So, Mario Kart. I'm not getting burned again after the useless Wii. I didn't buy a Wii and barely played the one Craster gave to me, so I'm catching up on the good stuff from last gen too (Super Mario Galaxy at the moment).

Author:	Bamba [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:54 ]
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Curiosity wrote: American Nativity wrote: True exclusives: Bayonetta 2 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Hyrule Warriors Lego City Undercover Mario Kart 8 NES Remix/2 New Super Mario Bros. U Nintendo Land Pikmin 3 Super Mario 3D World Super Smash Bros. for Wii U The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD ZombiU The Wonderful 101 Timed console exclusive: Shovel Knight PS4 and XBO do not even come near that right now, IMO. So, Mario Kart. I'm not getting burned again after the useless Wii. Totally this. Nintendo largely did themselves out of ever getting any more of my money with that piece of shit. Up until that point all they had to do was release a new Zelda game with every generation and I'd slightly grudgingly buy their console so they had to go pretty far out of their way to fuck it up. Granted the WiiU and it's games are much less likely to rely on terrible motion controls, and they don't look to be quite so brain searingly fucking ugly, but still; I'll have enough to play with all the other platforms without having to give Nintendo more money.

Author:	LewieP [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 13:49 ]
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Seems pretty simple to me. You need any one box for playing games, plus a Wii U. Gaming PC & Wii U. PS4 & Wii U. Xbox One & Wii U. Or even for a while, PS3/Xbox 360 & Wii U. There is barely any advantage to owning two of a Gaming PC/PS4/Xbox One, they all have roughly the same library, give or take a handful of games. Wii U is the only console where all it's best games are only available on the Wii U, but I'd not want to give up on all the other games which are available on the somewhat homogeneous other platforms. Obviously some people are ambivalent towards Nintendo games, and some people particularly dislike Nintendo games, but for anyone else, the Wii U is pretty essential at this point. It's obviously not been hugely successful, but it's got at least 3 years of Nintendo (who are on top form right now) software on the way, and it's already got a killer library. Gun to my head, I'd say PC gaming offers the most at this moment in time, and I'd say a Wii U is a better use of your money than a PS4 right now. Especially with some of the sub £150 Wii U deals that have been cropping up. Obviously it is all subjective though, some people like Forza/Fable/Gears of War/Halo. Edit: No other console has two exclusive Platinum Games.

Author:	Pundabaya [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 14:01 ]
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Platinum games suck.

Author:	Bamba [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 14:40 ]
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There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later.

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 14:43 ]
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Bamba wrote: There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later. Or the Wii U. Gone Home is a Wii U console exclusive, for example.

Author:	Satsuma [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 15:15 ]
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American Nativity wrote: Bamba wrote: There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later. Or the Wii U. Gone Home is a Wii U console exclusive, for example. Really? Did they do anything different with it?

Author:	myp [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 15:36 ]
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Saturnalian wrote: American Nativity wrote: Bamba wrote: There's plenty of non-AAA stuff that's only available on the PC. Or, at best, comes out on the PS4 a good chunk of time later. Or the Wii U. Gone Home is a Wii U console exclusive, for example. Really? Did they do anything different with it? Dunno, it's not out yet.