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a herd of some manner of pig. Which could outlast my weapons durability. Hence my earlier comment. I could kill them. But the rewards were pathetic. and they were in a cul-de-sac anyway, so why bother.

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A rather large man with a sword. Who I managed to whittle down to no health before accidentally running out of stamina then life. Second attempt at him I found his swings weren't quite as predictable as I'd previously thought, and died again. But hey, as I could kill him, this is the way right. Particularly if I could find a sword not made out of paper. Third attempt, killed him. And in my smugness got leapt upon by another one wielding a rather large hammer. YOU DIED. Turns out that wasn't the way.

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I'd followed the old gamer trope of not doing things as you come across them but choosing to explore so I don't miss anything but, of course, missing them and then having to come back. So I ran past all the misty doors (incorrectly thinking that they led to different worlds) till I got outside, thought something was wrong and went back trying each of them. Introductions done I ran outside learned how to light my torch on a bonfire, thought I'd missed something again and ran back to the misty doors to light all the sconces. I'd messed about so much by this point running in and out that my torch packed up after 5 minutes and I'd failed to light all the sconces.

I still don't know of that will do anything. Tch.

I'd died so many times doing that stupid jump, falling off stuff and getting lazy with the basic enemies cause I had no shield I must have died tens of times.

I went exploring the town purposefully looking for the hidden areas - found the valley of the giants and spent a while figuring out how to jump into the secret area, scared I'd missed something I went back and searches the town some more, found those pigs, talked to some guys and a cat, scared I'd missed something I went back to the start and found the guys with giant saggy bollocks, satisfied this time I definitely hadn't missed anything I tried the other areas - that huge guy (knew that was never going to be the way) and found a shield finally. Over 2 hours in now I was satisfied that the area I first found (giant valley) was definitely the way of least resistence. Tch.

I've clocked the well as an area to fall down and explore and the tower of flame thing. I've clocked the machine that needs a key too just before the entrance to the tower of flame area.

Anyway, I finally set off on a magical journey whereupon I'm promptly set upon by hollow soliders often three at a time. Cue much, much, much dying later and having moved no more than 50 yards.

It's taken forever to get up a ladder and kill three hollows and since I've been dying so much my energy bar in hollow form is at 50% as it keeps dropping with every death. And I can't burn an effergy as I'm a hoarder and you never know when you'll need one. LIKE RIGHT NOW - BUT I CANT CAUSE IM A HOARDER.

Anyway, I finally did make did and found the next bonfire. The valley isn't much to look at but there's at least four directions I can try and I'm not entirely sure which one to follow. One I haven't tried but appears to go off in two directions, one is almost certainly a deadend but with a weapon in a tunnel of fire, one is down a ladder and seems the way to go but splits off. Plus my schmiter sword (being the most powerful weapon I've got) is fucked and I'm using the gay long sword. And I saw a dragon.

I tells ya, it's been a long night.

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the ambush at the top of the ladder is as far as I've made it. Although I'm sorely tempted to go back take on the large dudes again. May well try again now I have a couple of estus.

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You'll get it when you get to level up. Although it's.. a little different from dark souls.

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Through the tower of flame, or whatever it's called, with the moderately big giants.

Rather glad I did. The reward for doing so is going to make mattersa little easier. (Much like the cling ring in demons souls)

I then proceeded to push my luck, forgot fog doors often found yield bosses. Why, you look a little fa... YOU DIED

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Also found the key for the blacksmith and the device that will most likely rotate the room just before the entrance to the tower of flames: in the giant valley there's a woman who sells them both. 1000 souls for the key and 4000 souls for the device. Since my souls, so far, have barely crept above 2000 I doubt I'll be getting the device anytime soon. Key it is.

And, seriously, I'm getting a reet pounding. Be wary of the trap room in the giant valley. The trap killed the guy who came wading out at me. It failed to kill 3 more who piles out. Fuckers got me dashing up the ladder to escape...

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Near the fire in the village, there's a woman who you have to talk to two or three times who'll act much like the blind woman in Demons souls and level you up. And give you an estus flask.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:14 ]
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Findus Fop wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. I have a feeling Dark Souls is going to be my Ulysses. I started it for the fourth time this week and am approaching the point at the beginning when the dragon drops you off and I can see me getting distracted again when I bump into some skellingtons. Run away from the naked self assembling skellingtons. Run I say.

Author:	lasermink [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:24 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: Findus Fop wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. I have a feeling Dark Souls is going to be my Ulysses. I started it for the fourth time this week and am approaching the point at the beginning when the dragon drops you off and I can see me getting distracted again when I bump into some skellingtons. Run away from the naked self assembling skellingtons. Run I say. This goes for both Demons Souls and Dark Souls: When you have a section, even if it's available from the start, that just seems too hard, then save it for later and explore another possibility, or you'll waste time and get upset. And remember well: You don't need to be human unless you're going up against a boss, no matter how much the game taunts you and makes you want to. You'll just get invaded, waste time and get upset.

Author:	Bamba [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:38 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. You've never played Uncharted? That surprises me given the amount of time you've been PS3-ing.

Author:	myp [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:41 ]
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Bamba wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. You've never played Uncharted? That surprises me given the amount of time you've been PS3-ing. I've been PS3ing for about two years.

Author:	TheVision [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:43 ]
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I have no interest in Dark Souls but because of this thread, and a friend of mine playing Skyrim to death... I think I want to play Dark Souls 2.

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Author:	Dr Lave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:53 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: Buy it in a shop and return the Amazon one when it arrives? Stupid. Collectors. Edition. So I can't.

Author:	myp [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:54 ]
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Dr Lave wrote: British Nervoso wrote: Buy it in a shop and return the Amazon one when it arrives? Stupid. Collectors. Edition. So I can't. Buy a vanilla copy today, then trade it in when your collector's edition arrives. You might lose £10 on the deal.

Author:	Bamba [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:58 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: Bamba wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. You've never played Uncharted? That surprises me given the amount of time you've been PS3-ing. I've been PS3ing for about two years. Exactly. With all the chat you hear about the Souls games I'd actually quite like to try one but as I'm 99.9999999% convinced I'll hate them I'm not going to actually spend any money. A demo to see exactly how punishing the combat really is would be good but I doubt they'd ever do that.

Author:	myp [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:01 ]
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Bamba wrote: Exactly. It's only been my main machine for about a year after I sold my 360. I never really fancied the Uncharted games as it seemed like Tomb Raider meets Indiana Jones and it just didn't float my boat for some reason. After playing TLoU I wanted to try another ND game though. I really love the idea of playing Dark Souls but the reality might be much the same as what you think yours will be.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:02 ]
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Bamba wrote: British Nervoso wrote: Bamba wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I was going to start Demon's Souls this week but decided on Uncharted instead. You've never played Uncharted? That surprises me given the amount of time you've been PS3-ing. I've been PS3ing for about two years. Exactly. With all the chat you hear about the Souls games I'd actually quite like to try one but as I'm 99.9999999% convinced I'll hate them I'm not going to actually spend any money. A demo to see exactly how punishing the combat really is would be good but I doubt they'd ever do that. You wouldn't like it. I think I can state that fairly confidently.

Author:	TheVision [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:02 ]
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Well, I've ordered the first Dark Souls. It was only £15 so it's not that much of a loss if I don't like it. I could do with a game that I can sink my teeth into.

Author:	Bamba [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:17 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: I never really fancied the Uncharted games as it seemed like Tomb Raider meets Indiana Jones That's certainly how it presents itself, the characters/settings are very Indiana Jones but the gameplay marries a dumbed down version of Tomb Raider (in that the 'platforming' and puzzles require very little thought) with a cover based shooter. So the combat is much more coherent than Tomb Raider but the rest of it very linear and straightforward. It's big dumb fun in a lot of ways, but the fun aspect is big enough to generally carry you through the dumb and it helps to almost think of them as 'experience' games with some shooting bits added in. Which only serves to remind me that I really, really want another 'proper' Tomb Raider game. As much as I enjoyed the reboot, and as flawed as Underworld/Legend were in places, nothing else has done the massive room sized temple puzzles anywhere near as well. I'm pretty close to finishing my game backlog entirely at the moment and am very tempted to play through those last few Tomb Raider games again before the PS4 properly gets it's shit together.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:21 ]
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I always thought uncharted games would be better with a few fewer enemies and no damn QTEs. What's that, you've broken into a long lost and forgotten tomb/dungeon/bakery? Oh well, for some reason there's already an army there.

Author:	markg [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:24 ]
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I enjoyed the Uncharted games but The Last Of Us improved on them in every way. The writing, the pacing, the combat. Everything about it is better.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:07 ]
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They are extremely different games, but TLoU is a fantastic response to Uncharted where the developer has really sat down and thought about the flaws in their game (namely that their ability to tell a story is massively hampered by the ludo narrative dissonance (I'm a cheeky happy go lucky adventurer you should identify with, but I kill hundreds of people between each cut scenes without batting an eye) and then built TLoU to avoid all those problems. And boy did it work.

Author:	Bamba [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:38 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: I always thought uncharted games would be better with a few fewer enemies and no damn QTEs. What's that, you've broken into a long lost and forgotten tomb/dungeon/bakery? Oh well, for some reason there's already an army there. I agree with the fewer enemies thing, there are obvious parts in all the games where they stick you in a locked arena and just keep sending waves and waves of enemies at you. You can literally see the fresh crop make their way in to the arena when you gun down the last of the previous set and it can be pretty gruelling at times. Not necessarily difficult per se but just never fucking ending. They obviously do their best to make the other parts of the games as 'cinematic' as possible but then they just stop trying when it comes to the combat sections and don't seem to give a shit that you can see the joins. The Buck missions in Far Cry 3 are another terrible example of enemies somehow inexplicably being where they shouldn't. You're breaking into these old temples with a magic compass key that no one's seen or put together for decades and yet hordes of fucking pirate have taken up residence in them already. Which is especially weird because there's no reason to be living in these inaccessible, dank ruined temples miles from anywhere while most of their mates drive around in the sun. markg wrote: I enjoyed the Uncharted games but The Last Of Us improved on them in every way. The writing, the pacing, the combat. Everything about it is better. I'd say they're fundamentally different games so, the studio behind them notwithstanding, I wouldn't even bother comparing them.

Author:	myp [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:02 ]
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Bamba wrote: I'd say they're fundamentally different games so, the studio behind them notwithstanding, I wouldn't even bother comparing them. They're not that different. The art style, mechanics and quality of voice acting share common themes. There's more combat in Uncharted and a few rudimentary puzzles and climbing sections in keeping with Tomb Raider, but they're not entirely dissimilar.

Author:	myp [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:12 ]
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Obviously TLoU is so much better based on the first half of the first Uncharted game I've played so far, but I'd be surprised if that weren't the case, considering the six year gap.

Author:	Findus Fop [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:31 ]
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lasermink wrote: And remember well: You don't need to be human unless you're going up against a boss, no matter how much the game taunts you and makes you want to. You'll just get invaded, waste time and get upset. But what does it mean to be... cue welling music human? What's the benefit? And do I become human by kindling? What is kindling? Or are these the things one should just discover by playing? I'm all for discovery, but I can't help feeling there are basic things one should know before gallumphing about the place.

Author:	markg [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:36 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: Obviously TLoU is so much better based on the first half of the first Uncharted game I've played so far, but I'd be surprised if that weren't the case, considering the six year gap. Yeah they aren't bad games by any stretch of the imagination it's just that the elements which were so entertaining in part due to the fact that they were actually ground-breaking at the time won't seem that way now. But I'm pretty sure there should be enough fun in there to get you through the series.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:39 ]
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Findus Fop wrote: lasermink wrote: And remember well: You don't need to be human unless you're going up against a boss, no matter how much the game taunts you and makes you want to. You'll just get invaded, waste time and get upset. But what does it mean to be... cue welling music human? What's the benefit? And do I become human by kindling? What is kindling? Or are these the things one should just discover by playing? I'm all for discovery, but I can't help feeling there are basic things one should know before gallumphing about the place. Kindling gives you more health flasks when you rest at that fire. Being human essentially activates multiplayer and provides some stat boosts.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:42 ]
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Findus Fop wrote: But what does it mean to be... cue welling music human? For the previous game : As a Human you can summon a friendly spirit to your game to help battle bosses As a Human some NPC characters will react differently to you As a Human other players can summon you to their game (so you can help them). There are also questions around getting better drops while your human Findus Fop wrote: What's the benefit? And do I become human by kindling? What is kindling? Kindling is 'burning' a humanity point at a bonfire which gives you an extra 5 health flasks each time you rest at that bonfire. To become human you burn a humanity point at a bonfire (called reverse hollowing?) - you become human - when you die you re-incarnate again as an undead. Findus Fop wrote: Or are these the things one should just discover by playing? I'm all for discovery, but I can't help feeling there are basic things one should know before gallumphing about the place. Somethings you will discover by trial and error however these games tend to be much more community based and I think you'll get more out of playing a while - getting stuck and asking than either trying to muddle through things yourself - or reading an FAQ with all the answers all laid out.

Author:	Findus Fop [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:49 ]
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excellent, thank you very much Zaphod and Mr Dave. My wife is running off with the baby this weekend, so I shall put some solid time into killing myself in Dark Souls.

Author:	Satsuma [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:16 ]
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Dark Souls 2: GOT! Had to settle with the Black Armour edition at GAME cause they didn't have any of the versions with more tat. It's got a lovely heavy metal box though. BUT NO PICTURE BOOK THIS TIME.

Author:	Satsuma [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:19 ]
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Oh and Uncharted 1, while not terrible, is terrible (but not, y'know, terrible) when compared to Uncharted 2 which is ace. And not terrible. The opposite in fact. Of terrible.

Author:	LaceSensor [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:30 ]
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where is cheap to just get the vanilla one, like, a real shop rather than ordering online?

Author:	Satsuma [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:35 ]
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I'm going to say... supermarkets would be your best bet if you're not trading any games in. I traded games in and got it for nowt. BAM!

Author:	zaphod79 [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:40 ]
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LaceSensor wrote: where is cheap to just get the vanilla one, like, a real shop rather than ordering online? Looks like Tesco are doing it for £35 which seems to be the cheapest 'walk in and get it'

Author:	LaceSensor [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 14:43 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: LaceSensor wrote: where is cheap to just get the vanilla one, like, a real shop rather than ordering online? Looks like Tesco are doing it for £35 which seems to be the cheapest 'walk in and get it' alrighty thankjs for that i might mosy on down and pick it up

Author:	Dr Lave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 15:02 ]
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British Nervoso wrote: Dr Lave wrote: British Nervoso wrote: Buy it in a shop and return the Amazon one when it arrives? Stupid. Collectors. Edition. So I can't. Buy a vanilla copy today, then trade it in when your collector's edition arrives. You might lose £10 on the deal. Hmmm, £10 and about an hour round trip, for an hour of dark souls. It would be insane, but I'm damn tempted. #dorksouls

Author:	lasermink [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 16:51 ]
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Saturnalian wrote: Oh and Uncharted 1, while not terrible, is terrible (but not, y'know, terrible) when compared to Uncharted 2 which is ace. And not terrible. The opposite in fact. Of terrible. I did a second playthrough of both games on Hard no so long ago, and had a blast. Whatever little flaws 1 has are more than made up for by the awesome bits. 3 was just awful. I had to force myself to finish it.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 21:15 ]
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Time to first death: 40 minutes I ciould really do with a weapon that isn't enormously shit.

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 21:19 ]
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Asda is £39 I think.

Author:	Satsuma [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 21:25 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: Time to first death: 40 minutes I ciould really do with a weapon that isn't enormously shit. They've made it easier then?

Author:	Satsuma [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 21:55 ]
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Time to first death: 3 minutes. Don't mess with the locals...