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Author:  romanista [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 20:30 ]
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since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?
Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:06 ]
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romanista wrote:
since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?

Uninstall Java.
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:11 ]
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Install Windows or Linux.
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:37 ]
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romanista wrote:
since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?

It needs a Java runtime to run certain older software. I've not come across one that can't be fixed by just clicking OK when it asks. Are you using legacy software?
Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 22:14 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.
Author:  Zio [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:21 ]
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Try downloading and installing this: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:59 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.
Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 17:55 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:06 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.

The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.

Pfft, I don't even know anything on windows. :-P I just know that it's no where near as rare for a Mac to get a virus as it used to be.

[edit] I can't name 3, but going back to the top of the page, wasn't there a problem with Java earlier in the year?
Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:08 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.



Pfft, I don't even know anything on windows. :-P I just know that it's no where near as rare for a Mac to get a virus as it used to be.

You just know? Can't argue with that, I guess.
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:13 ]
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It was something that I read recently. But I can't for the life of me find it anywhere.
I'll post it if I do.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:27 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
You just know? Can't argue with that, I guess.


There is plenty of Mac malware / spyware (yes , yes its much less common than on Windows but it does exist) , and the Mac OS was vulnerable for a number of the 'big' system issues that have happened this year (Heartbleed / Poodle / Shellshock) -

Saying you can run a Mac and be 'immune' is no longer as accurate as it was in the past.

I'm surprised no-one has really released a Mac Cryptolocker variant yet (its basic enough and just needs root access which many of the exploits would give you)

Oh and I'll even give you Cryptolocker but name 2 other 'big' virus incidents that have affected Windows this year ?
Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:28 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.


Can you do the same for Windows? I mean, we can go with heartbleed for a start.
OSX is vulnerability central, and Apple's disclosure porcedures are utterly shocking. If the user base gets to a point where targeting OSX is financially worthwhile, there's going to be real trouble.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:34 ]
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Cras wrote:
Can you do the same for Windows? I mean, we can go with heartbleed for a start.


Heartbleed was a vulnerability - not a virus.

Cras wrote:
OSX is vulnerability central, and Apple's disclosure porcedures are utterly shocking. If the user base gets to a point where targeting OSX is financially worthwhile, there's going to be real trouble.


I think its almost at that tipping point , and a lot of users will not actually realize they are infected because they are not running any AV other than the rubbish built in one (that detects something like 5 viruses) - here is a nice news story of a mac botnet which Apple have updated their AV product to protect against.

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-anti-malware ... 000034364/

Quote:
According to Dr Web, by 29 September there were 18,519 unique IP addresses connecting to the botnet, with around a quarter beaconing in from the US, followed by over 1,200 Macs each in the UK and Canada.
Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:18 ]
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Cras wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.


Can you do the same for Windows?

No, but I didn't say, "there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now" and then back down sheepishly when I couldn't provide any proof.
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:35 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
No, but I didn't say, "there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now" and then back down sheepishly when I couldn't provide any proof.


:shrug: I obviously didn't word it very well, but the point I was trying to make is that you can't just use that as a reason for not using windows anymore. Macs can get viruses - perhaps not as often as Windows - but they still get them.
Also, I did say I'd try find the thing I read.

On a side note, are Windows computers really so likely to get a virus? I've heard people say it before, but I've never had one. (And I don't really check anything I'm downloading to see if it's safe...)
Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:52 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
Macs can get viruses - perhaps not as often as Windows - but they still get them.

Of course, no operating system is completely foolproof. But the acid test is in the average user. How many here know of at least one friend or family member who is always clogging up their PC and needs our help? Then when you get there it's full of spyware, adware, malware, viruses.

The very fact that Windows has a much larger install base (especially in businesses) means it will be targeted a lot more often by virus programmers for the foreseeable future. I don't have a virus checker or firewall on my Mac, but wouldn't dream of not being protected on a PC - how long would it take before my machine was riddled with bogus programs? Not long, I'd wager.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 20:12 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
How many here know of at least one friend or family member who is always clogging up their PC and needs our help? Then when you get there it's full of spyware, adware, malware, viruses.


A good few years ago I'd have agreed with this but now, not so much. I'm still the go-to tech support guy for a lot of people I know but I honestly can't remember the last time I had to clean something off a PC.

American Nervoso wrote:
I don't have a virus checker or firewall on my Mac, but wouldn't dream of not being protected on a PC - how long would it take before my machine was riddled with bogus programs? Not long, I'd wager.


I don't agree with this either. Partly because it's simply a lot harder than it used to be to get infected and partly because you're not the kind of idiot to do things that would likely infect you (you're a completely different kind of idiot is what I'm saying). And certainly the days of running a separate firewall programme are well over; I can't even remember how long it's been since I've had something like ZoneAlarm installed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that, for a lot of different reasons, you haven't got a higher chance of picking something up running Windows than OS X because generally speaking that is true. But the kind of situation you're talking about where it's a near guarantee and horrible shit was running rampant really hasn't been true for a long, long time on the Windows side of the fence.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 22:06 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
completely fullproof

:S
Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 22:36 ]
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Grim... wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
completely fullproof

:S

Oops. Ta!
Author:  Anonymous X [ Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:00 ]
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Haven't installed Yosemite yet. Even skipped Mavericks completely, when previously I used to make sure that I had the latest OS X installed, going back to Jaguar. Not really liking the 'new look' on Yosemite from what I've seen of it, to be honest.
Author:  myp [ Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:31 ]
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Anonymous X wrote:
Haven't installed Yosemite yet. Even skipped Mavericks completely, when previously I used to make sure that I had the latest OS X installed, going back to Jaguar. Not really liking the 'new look' on Yosemite from what I've seen of it, to be honest.

I really prefer it.
Author:  Zio [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 15:50 ]
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I think it looks really lovely on a retina screen, and a bit arse on a normal one. In so much as I prefer the looks of Mavericks on a 'normal' display.
Author:  myp [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 15:52 ]
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Zio wrote:
a bit arse on a normal one

People still have sub-1800p screens???
Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 22:11 ]
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I have an iPhone, and it can take photos, occasionally I have made use of the iPhone camera's 'filter' options where you can change the colours, make black and white, etc when you take a photo. However, when I transfer the photos to my Windows PC, these filters are removed. Is there any way to move them with the filters intact?
Author:  DBSnappa [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:58 ]
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If its only a few you could try emailing them...
Author:  TheCookie197 [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:00 ]
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The format that iOS uses to "save" edited photos is non-destructive to the original. Unless you have a Mac (or can find a program that can display the edited version) then the only way would be to take a screenshot of the original and transfer the screenshot.

Edit: Apple Support page on it.
What DBSnappa said would work according to that page.
Author:  Mimi [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:36 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
I have an iPhone, and it can take photos, occasionally I have made use of the iPhone camera's 'filter' options where you can change the colours, make black and white, etc when you take a photo. However, when I transfer the photos to my Windows PC, these filters are removed. Is there any way to move them with the filters intact?


Coud you upload them to Flickr via the flickr app and re-download them from there?
Author:  Bobbyaro [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 15:52 ]
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I will try a few of these, but christ, what a load of shit. Apple really are crap, i don't get the fuss about the iPhone at all, nothing seems to work nicely, and everything is a faff.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 16:16 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
I will try a few of these, but christ, what a load of shit. Apple really are crap, i don't get the fuss about the iPhone at all, nothing seems to work nicely, and everything is a faff.

It's because you're not used to it. Accept the Apple Way. Obey and be happy.
Author:  Bobbyaro [ Sun Mar 01, 2015 17:43 ]
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okay, another annoyance, maybe someone can help. When I log into the Appstore on my iphone i use a password (every time!); however occasioanlly I have need/desire to log in via iTunes on my Windows & computer. However, despite immediately being able to log in on my phone with my password, I can never log in via iTunes without having to reset it.
Author:  Trooper [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:20 ]
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Apple event today, with the Apple Watch expected to be released.

Seems to be much less of a frenzy around Apple events these days. I doubt i'll watch it (or a streamed update anyway.)
Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:26 ]
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Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.
Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:35 ]
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No matter how bad or good they are, Apple Watch will fly off shelves, then people will start buying non-Apple ones too like they only just started existing.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:39 ]
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I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?
Author:  Trooper [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:41 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
No matter how bad or good they are, Apple Watch will fly off shelves, then people will start buying non-Apple ones too like they only just started existing.


I'm hoping that is the case. Not because I want an Apple Watch, but I want it to give a kick up the arse to the wearable market and see investment in Android Wear.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:46 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?


Me, too.
Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 13:48 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?

Usually because they do the announcements and then devices are available immediately. This hasn't happened this time - the announcement was before Christmas.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 14:28 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.

Horseshit.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 15:16 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.

Horseshit.

For the record:
"Novel? I've never encountered any prior devices that used capacitive touch, so if anything did exist I'm pretty sure it was very obscure"

I had. Indeed, I'd used the device that it was apparently bought from. Not a screen, but rather a keyboard mainly aimed at people who couldn't use a normal keyboard, (in the case of this owner, carpal tunnel)

So first capacitive touch device? No. First capactive touch screen? I think so.

Utter twats for not continuing the product for people who needed it? Yeah, probably.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 15:21 ]
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When I was a scientist, the xtal robot had a touch screen pad to make it do stuff. This was 2003. You can probably read about it by looking me up on Google scholar and finding a methods section on a structural paper I suppose. I just wanted to shoehorn that in there. The iPad and iPhone were game changers.
Author:  Cras [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:01 ]
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Touchscreen <> capacitive touchscreen.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:10 ]
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Is there a particular reason no one really used capacitive touchscreens in the past? I'm thinking specifically of all the HTC Win Mob devices that pre-dated the iPhone. Were they massively more expensive than their resistive brethren or something?
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:13 ]
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They didn't exist.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:17 ]
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Cras wrote:
Touchscreen <> capacitive touchscreen.


"devices that used capacitive touch,"

Note the lack of "Screen" :p

But it still remains that it's the same technology, just one is placed over a screen, and the other over a picture of a keyboard.

(And yes, I do think it's a dick move buying up a company for a technology primarily used for medical purposes* and then discontinuing that avenue entirely)

* - Although keyboards with gesture control and mouse and stuff was apparently nice, the price it went for basically put it into the realms of "Company needs to buy for staff to avoid disability discrimination laws". Although it is possible that with the increase in scale, it'd make the product cheaper and reduce that factor somewhat.
Author:  Cras [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:22 ]
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I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:24 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
They didn't exist.


This article reference a Sony capacitive touch screen device in 2002.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:34 ]
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Cras wrote:
I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.


i didn't know there were different types.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 16:44 ]
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Cras wrote:
I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.

Well, tough. I want to argue with you anyway.

I like cock.
Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 09, 2015 17:03 ]
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I wouldn't call the retina display a game-changer. My nan knows what an iPad is, but if I tried to explain retina to her I'd get one of those looks. You know the ones.
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