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Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:17 ]
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Grim... wrote:
You can easily set it up so it always asks for a password.


Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant and just phrased it incredibly badly i.e. there's an option you can select which will mean all subsequent purchases require a password to authorise them but you can disable that option so that all purchases go straight through.

ETA: To my mind they should just enforce it across the board and never have had it as an option. People would grumble but it's hardly a deal-breaker and protects idiots from themselves.

Author:  myp [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:26 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
Completely depends on your settings. It will always ask for a password by default but there are settings around turning off in-app purchases and the like, possibly even turning off the 15 minute thing.


So if you do a vanilla install of iOS it'll prompt for a password before it'll let you buy stuff?

Yes, but anything purchased within the next 15 mins afterwards will not need a password, by default.

This is probably a fair enough move. Plus I don't have much sympathy for commission-clawback for the majority of freemium game developers, it must be said.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 16:56 ]
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I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

I bought an unofficial adapter from 30pin to lightening, and that works, just looks inelegant!!

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 17:14 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

I bought an unofficial adapter from 30pin to lightening, and that works, just looks inelegant!!


I've bought a couple of batches of cheapo cables - some work fine, others only worked with an iPhone 5 but not 5S,

Author:  GazChap [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 17:54 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

Are you plugging them into a PC? If so, they don't have enough current running through the cables to charge iPads when the screen is on.

If they're plugged into a wall adapter, something's not right.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:03 ]
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The PC, I will try them at home.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:04 ]
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They will actually charge once the screen goes off, albeit slowly. With the screen on the iPad uses more juice than USB can provide.

It's a bit Schrödinger's cat charging an iPad over USB.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:08 ]
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It'll likely say not charging when it is, too.

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:11 ]
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I can concur. It took 2 days to fully charge the office ipad over a lightning usb cable. Someone (my manager) decided he needed the wall charger more. Eejit

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:15 ]
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Can any one recommend a travel kit for charging iphone/ipads. I might be going between UK , Germany and Brazil this year..

I have seen official apple ones and they are spendy.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:15 ]
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Just get a travel adaptor?

Author:  Zio [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:21 ]
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The Apple charger it came with will work with any figure of 8 cable too, regardless of where in the world you are (though obviously you'd need a compatible figure of 8 cable for each place).

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:22 ]
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Zio wrote:
The Apple charger it came with will work with any figure of 8 cable too, regardless of where in the world you are (though obviously you'd need a compatible figure of 8 cable for each place).


That is clever..

Author:  Trooper [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 18:46 ]
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Cras wrote:
Just get a travel adaptor?


:this:

1 travel adaptor and one of these to plug into it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masterplug-Indo ... 3+way+plug

Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 19:35 ]
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Anyone trying to charge an iPad through USB pretty much deserves the results they get!

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 19:40 ]
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British Nervoso wrote:
Anyone trying to charge an iPad through USB pretty much deserves the results they get!


It does happen. Eventually.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 19:55 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

Everyone else's advice re: charging voltage and the "not charging" message is correct but probably not why you're seeing what you're seeing. iOS 7 introduced stricter handshaking with the cable's ID chip that means most third-party knockoff cables don't work any more. Officially licenced third party cables (eg the Amazon basics ones) still work however.

Author:  Malc [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 20:15 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

Everyone else's advice re: charging voltage and the "not charging" message is correct but probably not why you're seeing what you're seeing. iOS 7 introduced stricter handshaking with the cable's ID chip that means most third-party knockoff cables don't work any more. Officially licenced third party cables (eg the Amazon basics ones) still work however.


That explains a lot!

I bought cables in 2 batches, and some now don't seem to work like they used to. I assumed they'd got damaged. But I didn't think I'd been that rough with so many cables...

It would be nice if it popped up on the screen that the cable wasn't licenced.

Malc

Author:  markg [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 20:37 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

Everyone else's advice re: charging voltage and the "not charging" message is correct but probably not why you're seeing what you're seeing. iOS 7 introduced stricter handshaking with the cable's ID chip that means most third-party knockoff cables don't work any more. Officially licenced third party cables (eg the Amazon basics ones) still work however.

Wow, what a cunt's trick.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 21:01 ]
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I would also suggest waiting to see if they actually *do* charge.

I have an official apple cable which when i connect to my ipad it actually comes up on the mac to say its not going to charge it (its going via a usb hub) - however despite the warning it does still charge

Also on my old PC the USB ports didnt have enough juice so the ipad displayed 'not charging' next to the power bar however again it did charge.

So even if something is complaining about it - check to see if it does actually work before getting any others.

Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 21:51 ]
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markg wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
I bought a few cheap cables to charge my iPad. they come up with not charging. Do I really have to buy official cables?

Everyone else's advice re: charging voltage and the "not charging" message is correct but probably not why you're seeing what you're seeing. iOS 7 introduced stricter handshaking with the cable's ID chip that means most third-party knockoff cables don't work any more. Officially licenced third party cables (eg the Amazon basics ones) still work however.

Wow, what a cunt's trick.

What, stopping cheap and nasty knockoffs that could potentially be unsafe? It's not like they're forcing you to buy their own - as the Doc says, you are still free to buy third-party cables as long as they have been licensed correctly.

Author:  Malc [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 21:58 ]
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Is there an easy way of telling if the cable you are buying is licensed by Apple?

Malc

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 22:05 ]
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British Nervoso wrote:
What, stopping cheap and nasty knockoffs that could potentially be unsafe? It's not like they're forcing you to buy their own - as the Doc says, you are still free to buy third-party cables as long as they have been licensed correctly.

You can still plug your official cable into a cheap and nasty and unsafe USB charger though. Which is where the danger is anyway.

Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 22:15 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
British Nervoso wrote:
What, stopping cheap and nasty knockoffs that could potentially be unsafe? It's not like they're forcing you to buy their own - as the Doc says, you are still free to buy third-party cables as long as they have been licensed correctly.

You can still plug your official cable into a cheap and nasty and unsafe USB charger though. Which is where the danger is anyway.

Yes, I suppose you can. Hmmm.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 22:19 ]
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So much so Apple had a replacement programme.

Author:  markg [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 22:20 ]
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Also, it's a fucking cable (yes, I know there's some complexity going on but the fact that people can make functioning copies for pence means that it's not that special). So there's no reason other than cuntery why they can't be cheap and not nasty.

Author:  BikNorton [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 23:25 ]
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stick more than an amp through an inadequate ('normal usb') cable and you have a fire. Probably while you're asleep. There's a reason charging cables are thicker.

The new kindle fast charger cable is super-thick because it delivers 2 amps.

(also apple like licencing revenue)

Author:  Wullie [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 0:11 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
The new kindle fast charger cable is super-thick because it delivers 2 amps.
If it's any thicker than the ipad cable you're just paying for bulky sleeving & fancy marketing (unless it's a longer cable mind).

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 0:20 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
The new kindle fast charger cable is super-thick because it delivers 2 amps.


The stock charger for my Nexus 10 is 2 amp but the cable that comes with it isn't any thicker than any other USB cable I've got.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 0:28 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
stick more than an amp through an inadequate ('normal usb') cable and you have a fire. Probably while you're asleep. There's a reason charging cables are thicker.

A 0.75 mm^2 cable (really thin) can carry five amps safely across a 2 m cable length. That's for 12 V; 5 V USB will be able to get away with less.

Author:  romanista [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 20:30 ]
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since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:06 ]
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romanista wrote:
since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?

Uninstall Java.

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:11 ]
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Install Windows or Linux.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 21:37 ]
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romanista wrote:
since upgrading to yosemite, os x keeps asking me to install Java runtime.. i did, both 7.0 and 8.0, but it keeps nagging me. any idea?

It needs a Java runtime to run certain older software. I've not come across one that can't be fixed by just clicking OK when it asks. Are you using legacy software?

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 22:14 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.

Author:  Zio [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:21 ]
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Try downloading and installing this: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:59 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 17:55 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:06 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.

The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.

Pfft, I don't even know anything on windows. :-P I just know that it's no where near as rare for a Mac to get a virus as it used to be.

[edit] I can't name 3, but going back to the top of the page, wasn't there a problem with Java earlier in the year?

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:08 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.



Pfft, I don't even know anything on windows. :-P I just know that it's no where near as rare for a Mac to get a virus as it used to be.

You just know? Can't argue with that, I guess.

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:13 ]
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It was something that I read recently. But I can't for the life of me find it anywhere.
I'll post it if I do.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:27 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
You just know? Can't argue with that, I guess.


There is plenty of Mac malware / spyware (yes , yes its much less common than on Windows but it does exist) , and the Mac OS was vulnerable for a number of the 'big' system issues that have happened this year (Heartbleed / Poodle / Shellshock) -

Saying you can run a Mac and be 'immune' is no longer as accurate as it was in the past.

I'm surprised no-one has really released a Mac Cryptolocker variant yet (its basic enough and just needs root access which many of the exploits would give you)

Oh and I'll even give you Cryptolocker but name 2 other 'big' virus incidents that have affected Windows this year ?

Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:28 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.


Can you do the same for Windows? I mean, we can go with heartbleed for a start.
OSX is vulnerability central, and Apple's disclosure porcedures are utterly shocking. If the user base gets to a point where targeting OSX is financially worthwhile, there's going to be real trouble.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:34 ]
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Cras wrote:
Can you do the same for Windows? I mean, we can go with heartbleed for a start.


Heartbleed was a vulnerability - not a virus.

Cras wrote:
OSX is vulnerability central, and Apple's disclosure porcedures are utterly shocking. If the user base gets to a point where targeting OSX is financially worthwhile, there's going to be real trouble.


I think its almost at that tipping point , and a lot of users will not actually realize they are infected because they are not running any AV other than the rubbish built in one (that detects something like 5 viruses) - here is a nice news story of a mac botnet which Apple have updated their AV product to protect against.

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-anti-malware ... 000034364/

Quote:
According to Dr Web, by 29 September there were 18,519 unique IP addresses connecting to the botnet, with around a quarter beaconing in from the US, followed by over 1,200 Macs each in the UK and Canada.

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:18 ]
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Cras wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
Install Windows or Linux.

Hmmm, a choice of viruses and malware or poor consumer support? No ta.


The malware and viruses thing doesn't really count anymore - there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now.

Name three that have caused any significant issues in the last 6 months.


Can you do the same for Windows?

No, but I didn't say, "there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now" and then back down sheepishly when I couldn't provide any proof.

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:35 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
No, but I didn't say, "there's plenty of viruses for OS X due to its popularity now" and then back down sheepishly when I couldn't provide any proof.


:shrug: I obviously didn't word it very well, but the point I was trying to make is that you can't just use that as a reason for not using windows anymore. Macs can get viruses - perhaps not as often as Windows - but they still get them.
Also, I did say I'd try find the thing I read.

On a side note, are Windows computers really so likely to get a virus? I've heard people say it before, but I've never had one. (And I don't really check anything I'm downloading to see if it's safe...)

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:52 ]
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Cookie197 wrote:
Macs can get viruses - perhaps not as often as Windows - but they still get them.

Of course, no operating system is completely foolproof. But the acid test is in the average user. How many here know of at least one friend or family member who is always clogging up their PC and needs our help? Then when you get there it's full of spyware, adware, malware, viruses.

The very fact that Windows has a much larger install base (especially in businesses) means it will be targeted a lot more often by virus programmers for the foreseeable future. I don't have a virus checker or firewall on my Mac, but wouldn't dream of not being protected on a PC - how long would it take before my machine was riddled with bogus programs? Not long, I'd wager.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 20:12 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
How many here know of at least one friend or family member who is always clogging up their PC and needs our help? Then when you get there it's full of spyware, adware, malware, viruses.


A good few years ago I'd have agreed with this but now, not so much. I'm still the go-to tech support guy for a lot of people I know but I honestly can't remember the last time I had to clean something off a PC.

American Nervoso wrote:
I don't have a virus checker or firewall on my Mac, but wouldn't dream of not being protected on a PC - how long would it take before my machine was riddled with bogus programs? Not long, I'd wager.


I don't agree with this either. Partly because it's simply a lot harder than it used to be to get infected and partly because you're not the kind of idiot to do things that would likely infect you (you're a completely different kind of idiot is what I'm saying). And certainly the days of running a separate firewall programme are well over; I can't even remember how long it's been since I've had something like ZoneAlarm installed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that, for a lot of different reasons, you haven't got a higher chance of picking something up running Windows than OS X because generally speaking that is true. But the kind of situation you're talking about where it's a near guarantee and horrible shit was running rampant really hasn't been true for a long, long time on the Windows side of the fence.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 22:06 ]
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American Nervoso wrote:
completely fullproof

:S

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 22:36 ]
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Grim... wrote:
American Nervoso wrote:
completely fullproof

:S

Oops. Ta!

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