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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 17:43 
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okay, another annoyance, maybe someone can help. When I log into the Appstore on my iphone i use a password (every time!); however occasioanlly I have need/desire to log in via iTunes on my Windows & computer. However, despite immediately being able to log in on my phone with my password, I can never log in via iTunes without having to reset it.


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Apple event today, with the Apple Watch expected to be released.

Seems to be much less of a frenzy around Apple events these days. I doubt i'll watch it (or a streamed update anyway.)


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Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.


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No matter how bad or good they are, Apple Watch will fly off shelves, then people will start buying non-Apple ones too like they only just started existing.

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I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?


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No matter how bad or good they are, Apple Watch will fly off shelves, then people will start buying non-Apple ones too like they only just started existing.


I'm hoping that is the case. Not because I want an Apple Watch, but I want it to give a kick up the arse to the wearable market and see investment in Android Wear.


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I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?


Me, too.

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I genuinely had it in my head that the Appple Watch had already been released; I wonder why I thought that?

Usually because they do the announcements and then devices are available immediately. This hasn't happened this time - the announcement was before Christmas.

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Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.

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Less frenzy because tech is stagnant. What was the last truly game changing device? The iPad? Not exactly an original idea.

Horseshit.

For the record:
"Novel? I've never encountered any prior devices that used capacitive touch, so if anything did exist I'm pretty sure it was very obscure"

I had. Indeed, I'd used the device that it was apparently bought from. Not a screen, but rather a keyboard mainly aimed at people who couldn't use a normal keyboard, (in the case of this owner, carpal tunnel)

So first capacitive touch device? No. First capactive touch screen? I think so.

Utter twats for not continuing the product for people who needed it? Yeah, probably.


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When I was a scientist, the xtal robot had a touch screen pad to make it do stuff. This was 2003. You can probably read about it by looking me up on Google scholar and finding a methods section on a structural paper I suppose. I just wanted to shoehorn that in there. The iPad and iPhone were game changers.

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Touchscreen <> capacitive touchscreen.

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Is there a particular reason no one really used capacitive touchscreens in the past? I'm thinking specifically of all the HTC Win Mob devices that pre-dated the iPhone. Were they massively more expensive than their resistive brethren or something?


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They didn't exist.


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Touchscreen <> capacitive touchscreen.


"devices that used capacitive touch,"

Note the lack of "Screen" :p

But it still remains that it's the same technology, just one is placed over a screen, and the other over a picture of a keyboard.

(And yes, I do think it's a dick move buying up a company for a technology primarily used for medical purposes* and then discontinuing that avenue entirely)

* - Although keyboards with gesture control and mouse and stuff was apparently nice, the price it went for basically put it into the realms of "Company needs to buy for staff to avoid disability discrimination laws". Although it is possible that with the increase in scale, it'd make the product cheaper and reduce that factor somewhat.


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I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.

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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
They didn't exist.


This article reference a Sony capacitive touch screen device in 2002.


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I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.


i didn't know there were different types.

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I was responding to Mali, not you. I suspect his 2003 robot had a non-capactive touchscreen.

Well, tough. I want to argue with you anyway.

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I wouldn't call the retina display a game-changer. My nan knows what an iPad is, but if I tried to explain retina to her I'd get one of those looks. You know the ones.


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I wouldn't call the retina display a game-changer. My nan knows what an iPad is, but if I tried to explain retina to her I'd get one of those looks. You know the ones.


The "Get me my glasses" one?


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The "what a whopping bonce" one?

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New Macbook looks interesting.
Apple Watch is fucking expensive.


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New Macbook looks interesting.
Apple Watch is fucking expensive.


How much?
Is there a new ipad?

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No new iPad.

Watch is:
Sport small : $349
Sport big : $399
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The Macbook is interesting - I'm curious to see how well it shifts heat with no fan. Also it's so thin! I'm beginning to wonder if there's such a thing as too thin.

Watch is indeed expensive, and doesn't seem to do anything that special. The UI seems quite nice, though.

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Watch is cheaper than I expected.

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Watch is cheaper than I expected.

What kind of price were you expecting?!


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Watch is cheaper than I expected.

What kind of price were you expecting?!

Quite a bit more. Watch pricing is insane.

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They've got them on the Apple UK website.
Sport is £299-£339
Normal is £479-£949
Edition is £8k-£13.5k

Think I'd rather get a Pebble Time or Moto 360.


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I'm probably going to get a Sport 42mm with black band. £329 is pretty decent.

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Watch is cheaper than I expected.

What kind of price were you expecting?!

Quite a bit more. Watch pricing is insane.

I agree. Decent watches cost money. I think the large sport is probably worth a punt at £339, certainly cheaper than the £1800 I spent on a watch in December!

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Watch is cheaper than I expected.

What kind of price were you expecting?!

Quite a bit more. Watch pricing is insane.

I agree. Decent watches cost money. I think the large sport is probably worth a punt at £339, certainly cheaper than the £1800 I spent on a watch in December!


Decent watches cost a lot, that's true. However they are mechanical objects, built with precision and craftsmanship, and don't go out of date in a year, and have an established market that all agrees that the prices are "reasonable".

The apple watch is fucking expensive for a digital watch with limited resale market value.


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Is it just me who doesn't even wear a watch these days and hasn't for years?

I kind of kept it up for a while but at the end of the day they're to tell the time with, and everyone has a phone with them these days, and they're also pretty good at telling the time. (The last time the battery in my watch went flat I didn't bother getting it replaced, it's still sat on a shelf upstairs.)

I know some people do them for 'fashion' or something, but meh to them.

And then these new 'smartwatches' won't do anything that a phone can't already do, except they're wrist-based rather than pocket-based. And smaller. And stupidly expensive.


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I thought it was circular!? When did they ditch that?


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I thought it was circular!? When did they ditch that?


There are a few android smart watches that are circular. I imagine you mixed it up with one of them.


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Musta been. Or I'm confusing the circular app buttons or summats.


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Is it just me who doesn't even wear a watch these days and hasn't for years?

I kind of kept it up for a while but at the end of the day they're to tell the time with, and everyone has a phone with them these days, and they're also pretty good at telling the time. (The last time the battery in my watch went flat I didn't bother getting it replaced, it's still sat on a shelf upstairs.)

I know some people do them for 'fashion' or something, but meh to them.

And then these new 'smartwatches' won't do anything that a phone can't already do, except they're wrist-based rather than pocket-based. And smaller. And stupidly expensive.


I thought the same, but I use my smart watch a hell of a lot more than I thought I would. It's hard to get across the convenience of just turning your wrist when you get a notification, without living with it for a bit.


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It's easier to look at my wrist than to get my phone out. But then, my watch cost £15


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It's easier to look at my wrist than to get my phone out. But then, my watch cost £15


It would be, but 10 years of not wearing a watch and having a smartphone in my pocket means muscle memory has made that not the case for quite some time.

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The Macbook is interesting - I'm curious to see how well it shifts heat with no fan. Also it's so thin! I'm beginning to wonder if there's such a thing as too thin.
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I reckon the Vice Chancellor already has his order in. I'll get to play with it briefly.


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Wait. Only one usb-c?

There's your game-changer.


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I'm just now catching up with the stuff that came out of today's Apple event but a new MacBook for just over a grand with a "1.1GHz dual-core Intel Core M"? I know the Doc already mentioned this and, as always, I'm sure I'm missing something here but isn't that hideously underpowered in general; and especially ludicrous for that price? I mean it's only 1.1 Ghz and only dual core and it's a specifically 'mobile' processor (which are generally stepped down at some level) so on paper it comes across like some netbook level nonsense. It seems really unlikely Apple would comes out with something like that so I'm genuinely assuming I'm missing a trick here?

ETA: I realise you can pay more to beef it up a bit but an extra £250 only gets you an extra 25Gb of SSD space and a 0.1GHz CPU speed bump. What the hell?


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Decent watches cost a lot, that's true. However they are mechanical objects, built with precision and craftsmanship, and don't go out of date in a year, and have an established market that all agrees that the prices are "reasonable".

The apple watch is fucking expensive for a digital watch with limited resale market value


Considering that you need a £500 IPhone as well to make the watch do anything more useful than tell the time then its expensive @£299. Also I guess you need to keep in mind the battery life of the phone, mine will hardly to a day now and its a 6, wonder if connecting to the watch will drain the phone more?

The lasts IOS 8.2 includes an app for the watch, another one of the annoying Apple ones that you can't remove from the phone

Sure they will sell in bucket loads though, the top end ones costing £8,000 are not good value you can get a Rolex for that, which even if you wear it all the time would hold its value.

Have to wonder on the IOS updates and how long these will be functional as well. I found an old Ipod with IOS 4.2 in a draw the other day, can't find a single app for it and even the ones on it like Youtube no longer work

Will be interesting to see how the notebook performs, I remember HP making small laptops with these sorts of CPU's in them a few years ago, they ran like shit and were underpowered. Sure Apple will do a better job of things but would still wonder about power vs weight.


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Bamba wrote:
It seems really unlikely Apple would comes out with something like that so I'm genuinely assuming I'm missing a trick here?

The questions you're asking shows that you're not the demographic for this product.

I'm not either, though.

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