"Ambition far exceeding the ability of it's host machine". Total bollocks.

I know we've been over and over this, but speaking as someone with a decent enough PC to play games on well, and knowing that you're absolutely right about games generally looking and playing much better on PC - statements like this are just clear nonsense. It's like you're making out the game is unplayable on PS3 and Xbox 360, when that objectively is not the case. Not even nearly.

I don't doubt GTA V will be a much nicer experience on a well-specced PC (although GTA IV for the PC was an absolute mess at launch) - but the experience was already pretty damn wonderful on both PS3 and Xbox 360. A slightly improved framerate and graphical niceties will just be the cherry on an already quite awesome cake.

"Ambition far exceeding the ability of it's host machine". Total bollocks.

The Eurogamer article I linked to above is very blunt, and simply states - 'GTA 5 simply didn't run very well on PS3 or 360.' And that's my feelings on it too.

But you've only played it on the 360.

But you've only played it on the 360.

I've not played the 360 version but the PS3 is a dream. There's very little slow down that I noticed and, at times, it was running lightning fast.

It was obviously pushing the hardware to its limits (much like San Andreas did), but it was eminently playable or else I wouldn't have sunk 120 hrs+ into it.

So we're all agreed that GTA5 was very impressive on PS3 and 360 and will probably be far better on PC / PS4 / XBone?

Good.

So we're all agreed that GTA5 was very impressive on PS3 and 360 and will probably be far better on PC / PS4 / XBone?

Good.

In the interests of full disclosure, I also played (and finished) it on PS3 and haven't tried the Xbox 360 version.

It's undoubtedly going to be a better experience on PC and on Xbone and PS4, probably a vastly better experience. Smoother, more consistent framerates, increased draw distance (which, to be fair, will likely only be noticeable in the planes and helicopters), better visual effects et al. And there's no question that GTA V taxes the hardware it currently runs on to the absolute limit. But it plays perfectly well. Unless the Xbox 360 version is significantly worse than the PS3 version, which is historically unlikely, this talk that the screen "regularly disintegrated into a jaggy lurching mess" and "the framerate routinely crashed through the floor" is just total fucking nonsense. It might not have run at 60FPS, but it does run consistently smoothly - if not a constant 30FPS then something approaching it. Unless you have the most sensitive eyes and brain on the planet, which going by AE's previous comments regarding console gaming may actually be true in his case, there's no way you could ever legitimately complain about the performance of the game in it's existing incarnations.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was - like "greatest hits" albums that have an extra, unreleased song on them

Was this ever in doubt?

According to Eurogamer, anyone who played it on PS3/Xbox should gouge their eyes out with rusty stanley blades. Which I'm sure they didn't say in September.

Not giving that game 10/10 was a travesty.

It's not quite as good as GTA IV though, so I can see why they didn't.

Unfortunately they're probably going to push the shinies on the new console versions instead of the framerate. Smoothness just isn't a priority for developers any more.

I was shocked when i watched this total biscuit video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJh9ut2hrc

I couldn't watch that for more than 5 minutes due his awful inflection which sounded to me like he was narrating a cricket match.

I couldn't watch that for more than 5 minutes due his awful inflection which sounded to me like he was narrating a cricket match.

Unfortunately they're probably going to push the shinies on the new console versions instead of the framerate. Smoothness just isn't a priority for developers any more.

I was shocked when i watched this total biscuit video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJh9ut2hrc

All of these features would be for nothing if the performance wasn't there, of course. Mario titles demand precision and a quick response that call for a solid 60 frames per second update. More so than most games aiming for this goal, EAD has managed to deliver a 100 per cent consistent update. Every moment of the game, every menu transition, and every element of the user interface all operate at 60fps without a single hitch. Shooting for 60fps is no small task and requires cooperation from the entire team throughout the development cycle, but Nintendo takes it further by taking a zero-tolerance approach to frame-rate dips.

My PC is an i7 with plenty of RAM and a GTX660 (OEM so slightly lower clock and RAM than retail). I assume this will still be better than the PS4 version?