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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:33 
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In the adverts I've seen for online, you can do missions with your buddy. I've played a tiny bit and it keeps giving me things to do on my own.

At what point can my mate and I just wander about and blow shit up, ignoring missions and the stupid man who keeps making me do things?

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In the adverts I've seen for online, you can do missions with your buddy. I've played a tiny bit and it keeps giving me things to do on my own.

At what point can my mate and I just wander about and blow shit up, ignoring missions and the stupid man who keeps making me do things?

You need to do the tutorial mission at the beginning and that's about it, I'm pretty sure.

Of course, the more you level up the more interesting things you can do. I had a nice relaxing round of golf the other night.

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Someone on Twitter has rescued a whole load of ITV caption slides from the early to mid 80's. He posted this one and it seems just so GTA V:

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Right, I'm about half way through, but none of my characters have amassed more than about $0.5m at any one time. Almost every single heist so far has either been (a) to pay off someone else or (b) if it's a Trevor one, resulting in zero cash income. I've invested in some properties but seeing as the income is per week I don't seem to be seeing much out of it. I did do some stock market investment around the assassination missions (I think I've done all of them), which has netted me a few hundred K.

I want to buy tanks and fancy cars and stuff, but I can't see how I can amass several million dollars very easily. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.

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I want to buy tanks and fancy cars and stuff, but I can't see how I can amass several million dollars very easily. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.

You need to do the final heist - then each character will get around $20m.

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I want to buy tanks and fancy cars and stuff, but I can't see how I can amass several million dollars very easily. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.

You need to do the final heist - then each character will get around $20m.

Hmm. Once I've done that, given that I have no more assasination missions left, what other source of large income is there?

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I bought a car via one of the websites, and it got delivered to my garage. I thought I'd then go and take it the repair shop to soup it up some.

After that I decided to save up, so I drove home to put it in Micheal's garage. However, I already had 2 cars in there. So I drove one round to the side of the house (still within the grounds), and then went to put the new car in the garage. But it was gone!

I looked in the garage it was delivered to, but not there either!

I turned off the xbox and went to bed.

The next day, I turned it back on, and as it loaded up, I got a message telling me my car had been delivered to the garage again.

I managed to do everything right this time and got it into the garage ok.

But if I leave that car somewhere, will I just lose it?

It would be nice if the cars you store in the garage in single player are treated like the online ones, where they have a tracker and you can find them on the map.

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Mr Kissyfur wrote:
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I want to buy tanks and fancy cars and stuff, but I can't see how I can amass several million dollars very easily. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.

You need to do the final heist - then each character will get around $20m.

Hmm. Once I've done that, given that I have no more assasination missions left, what other source of large income is there?

My recommendation is to invest in stocks of whatever company Lester tells you he has shares in before each heist. Obviously they will go up in value once you take out the competition. :)

To be honest I haven't found an easy way of amassing lots of money quickly. The other way is to buy all the properties and then wait for the money to roll in, but that will take a while.

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I've been told a good thing to do with investments is to find 2 rivals in the same market.

Invest in one. And then attack the properties/stock/vehicles/etc of the other.

Their stock will go down, the rival's will go up. Then after a while, sell everything, and invest in the company you have been attacking.

Now attack the other company.

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Do any PS3 chums want to play some GTAO either Saturday or Sunday evening? I'm working tomorrow night at 11pm. :(

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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
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SilentElk wrote:
Mr Kissyfur wrote:
I want to buy tanks and fancy cars and stuff, but I can't see how I can amass several million dollars very easily. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi.

You need to do the final heist - then each character will get around $20m.


Chinny tip: Leave all of Franklins assassination missions (or at least most of them as you may want some cash earlier in the game) until after the heist. Then follow the investment instructions you can find online that tell you what to invest in.

2nd tip: Invest BEFORE you trigger the mission as you can spread the love around by ensuring all 3 characters have money invested.

Do it right and you'll get 100 million+.


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What chinny says. Also, keep an eye on the BAWSAQ. I invested $150m per character into Pisswasser when it was at $20 or something low like that and cashed out at $290, so now my characters have over a billion each.


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Mr Kissyfur wrote:
Right, I'm about half way through, but none of my characters have amassed more than about $0.5m at any one time. Almost every single heist so far has either been (a) to pay off someone else or (b) if it's a Trevor one, resulting in zero cash income. I've invested in some properties but seeing as the income is per week I don't seem to be seeing much out of it.


Get Trevor to buy the undersea salvage business as you can then recover nuclear waste at 20 grand a pop using the mini sub.


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I was never short of a few pennies and I didn't do any stock exchange stuff or any of the tennis/racing/whatever stuff. I did piss my cash on weapons constantly though so :shrug:


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I was never short of a few pennies and I didn't do any stock exchange stuff or any of the tennis/racing/whatever stuff. I did piss my cash on weapons constantly though so :shrug:


Can you afford to buy the golf club?

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Malc wrote:
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I was never short of a few pennies and I didn't do any stock exchange stuff or any of the tennis/racing/whatever stuff. I did piss my cash on weapons constantly though so :shrug:


Can you afford to buy the golf club?

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It's one of the worst investments apparently if you are looking for a return.


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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
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I was never short of a few pennies and I didn't do any stock exchange stuff or any of the tennis/racing/whatever stuff. I did piss my cash on weapons constantly though so :shrug:


Can you afford to buy the golf club?

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It's one of the worst investments apparently if you are looking for a return.


I'm looking at getting to 100% and presume I need to buy all the properties. I Can't afford the cinema or the golf club.

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I'm looking at getting to 100% and presume I need to buy all the properties.
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Nope. Check the Social Club website to see what you need to '100%' the game. Only items that have a coloured strip against them count towards the 100%.

For example, you only need half the knife flights and stunt jumps. I didn't even start Michael's Epsilon Program story arc until after I'd 'finished' the game.

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I'm looking at getting to 100% and presume I need to buy all the properties.
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Nope. Check the Social Club website to see what you need to '100%' the game. Only items that have a coloured strip against them count towards the 100%.

For example, you only need half the knife flights and stunt jumps. I didn't even start Michael's Epsilon Program story arc until after I'd 'finished' the game.


I remember you saying that at the cottage, I thought when I looked, you needed to buy all the properties.

I must have misread.

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Malc wrote:
I remember you saying that at the cottage, I thought when I looked, you needed to buy all the properties.

I must have misread.

Malc

From what I remember, it's 5 out of the 15 properties, or something like that.

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All of the properties have a horrible rate of return, it's like they were an afterthought.


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Word. I am a shit investment.

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Malc wrote:
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I was never short of a few pennies and I didn't do any stock exchange stuff or any of the tennis/racing/whatever stuff. I did piss my cash on weapons constantly though so :shrug:


Can you afford to buy the golf club?

Malc


I just meant I wasn't struggling for pennies throughout the campaign - and I never cashed in any shares or nowt. I could probably buy it now I've finished the main game but I'm not bothered.

In fact, I'm struggling to boot it up again. I'm weirdly apathetic about it even though I thought it was a decent blast.


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Buy stuff? Guns, vests & car mods is all I bought. The rest I took. :metul:

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Bought a gaff with 10 car garage.

Did a mission with the help of a nice level 85 chap.

Got killed twice by the same clown horn honking twat.

Got killed by a fucking tank!

Wish you could get hold of better weapons and armour earlier on (still only Uzi and shotgun at level 8).

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Quite a good article about GTAV here, references 'that' mission as well.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-cr ... ally-suck/


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I discovered that by getting in a train with enough ammo you can keep it going pretty much forever, then lose them all again by jumping out in a long tunnel.


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I discovered that by getting in a train with enough ammo you can keep it going pretty much forever, then lose them all again by jumping out in a long tunnel.


Yes, I have been doing that, too! Super fun.

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Proper version of this game coming later this year. (XBoner, PS4, PC.)

Glad I waited as it was about 99% inevitable it'd happen, and being a single player game in essence there's nothing to be lost by being late to the party as it were.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014- ... his-autumn

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I'm all over the PC version once it gets to about £20.

So within a few weeks of launch, then.

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I'm all over the PC version once it gets to about £20.

So within a few weeks of launch, then.


I concur, I've been burned FIFTY MILLION TIMES* buying games (or even pre-ordering them) for top dollar on Steam/Origin over the last couple of years. (A couple of which didn't work properly at launch, or indeed at all.) Only to see the price crash through the floor not long afterwards, and usually as a nicely patched up iteration of the game at that point.

NO MORE I SAY FOR DEFINITE THIS TIME.

Plus I've got Wii U shenanigans to keep the GTAV hounds at bay, so I concur, a £20 purchase I think.

I gave GTAV a fair crack of the whip on 360 but it was clearly the game's ambition far exceeding the ability of its host machine, with that removed from the equation I'm hoping for an awesome gaming experience - and all signs point towards Rockstar pushing the PS4/XBoner (and by extension PC) in the same amazing way that GTAIV pushed the 360 at its release.



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but it was clearly the game's ambition far exceeding the ability of its host machine


I know we've been over and over this, but speaking as someone with a decent enough PC to play games on well, and knowing that you're absolutely right about games generally looking and playing much better on PC - statements like this are just clear nonsense. It's like you're making out the game is unplayable on PS3 and Xbox 360, when that objectively is not the case. Not even nearly.

I don't doubt GTA V will be a much nicer experience on a well-specced PC (although GTA IV for the PC was an absolute mess at launch) - but the experience was already pretty damn wonderful on both PS3 and Xbox 360. A slightly improved framerate and graphical niceties will just be the cherry on an already quite awesome cake.

"Ambition far exceeding the ability of it's host machine". Total bollocks.


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"Ambition far exceeding the ability of it's host machine". Total bollocks.

You can't even begin to say that until you see GTA5 running on a PC or next-gen console, of course. Unless you were part of the GTA5 dev team, I guess.

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I know we've been over and over this, but speaking as someone with a decent enough PC to play games on well, and knowing that you're absolutely right about games generally looking and playing much better on PC - statements like this are just clear nonsense. It's like you're making out the game is unplayable on PS3 and Xbox 360, when that objectively is not the case. Not even nearly.

I don't doubt GTA V will be a much nicer experience on a well-specced PC (although GTA IV for the PC was an absolute mess at launch) - but the experience was already pretty damn wonderful on both PS3 and Xbox 360. A slightly improved framerate and graphical niceties will just be the cherry on an already quite awesome cake.

"Ambition far exceeding the ability of it's host machine". Total bollocks.


I think we had this back on Page 25 or 26 of this thread, I borrowed GTAV for the 360 off a mate, I installed it on my 360 - (it was about 35 minutes before I could actually play the game IIRC, since I needed a 360 update, then the game install, and then a game update) - and went into it with an open mind.

The opening shooty bank heist and driving section wasn't too bad, (albeit still worryingly lurchy), but that was a bit more confined with limited traffic and less in the way of 'open world' stuff, but once the game opened up proper and I took on a couple of missions, and started to do some driving around the city, I was like 'No way, not doing this again' (referring back to how GTAIV ran on the 360).

In particular I got a high speed car with Franklin and decided to go off for a proper zoom around, whereupon the whole screen regularly disintegrated into a jaggy lurching mess, the framerate routinely crashed through the floor and the console was unable to stream the world assets in fast enough to keep up - it broke the illusion of a cohesive game world for me, basically.

I turned it off, and resolved to play it when it was released on either a next-gen console or a PC which could do it justice.

The Eurogamer article I linked to above is very blunt, and simply states - 'GTA 5 simply didn't run very well on PS3 or 360.' And that's my feelings on it too.

Please do be aware that I absolutely put my money where my mouth is on this sort of thing, the 'next-gen' console I've purchased is a Nintendo Wii U. Nintendo are remarkably consistent in putting out their first party Wii U titles at 720@60, to the extent that they'll compromise in other areas to hit that goal. Mario Kart 8 for example eschews any sort of anti-aliasing and uses some pretty poor texture filtering (along with other nips and tucks to image quality), but the payoff is a solid 60FPS performance which is what I demand in racing games.

And yes I know GTAIV was a comical mess on PC at launch, which is why I totally ignored it at the time and bought it some 18-24 months later when I had a quad-core processer and GTX480 graphics card which could power through it with ease, and the game had been the recipient of quite a few patches.

So full circle back to GTAV, I readily acknowledge that what Rockstar managed to get the 360/PS3 to do with that game was nothing short of some kind of arcane magic (IMO it's a damn sight prettier than the allegedly next-gen Watchdogs running on XBoner or PS4) - but for my money it was stretching the hardware too far, to the extent that the cohesion of the game was stretched past breaking point.

I think it needed some more horsepower chucking at it, which is why I've waited patiently for Rockstar to make the announcement they have about the new versions.


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The Eurogamer article I linked to above is very blunt, and simply states - 'GTA 5 simply didn't run very well on PS3 or 360.' And that's my feelings on it too.


But you've only played it on the 360. :shrug:

I've not played the 360 version but the PS3 is a dream. There's very little slow down that I noticed and, at times, it was running lightning fast.


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It was obviously pushing the hardware to its limits (much like San Andreas did), but it was eminently playable or else I wouldn't have sunk 120 hrs+ into it.

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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:41 
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The Eurogamer article I linked to above is very blunt, and simply states - 'GTA 5 simply didn't run very well on PS3 or 360.' And that's my feelings on it too.


But you've only played it on the 360. :shrug:

I've got a feeling that Eurogamer would have tried it on both.

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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
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I thought it was very good on PS3 too, it didn't seem to struggle particularly. Hardly surprising given that that it was one of the two main target platforms. It's hardly some mind-blowing revelation to state that a game can be made to look nicer and run at a higher frame rate on more modern hardware but I really don't understand why anyone thinks that this applies to GTAV in particular.


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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:53 
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Saturnalian wrote:
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The Eurogamer article I linked to above is very blunt, and simply states - 'GTA 5 simply didn't run very well on PS3 or 360.' And that's my feelings on it too.


But you've only played it on the 360. :shrug:

I've not played the 360 version but the PS3 is a dream. There's very little slow down that I noticed and, at times, it was running lightning fast.


The Eurogamer face-off at the time said (IIRC) that there was basically nothing in it, certainly in terms of framerate both versions targeted 30FPS and rendered natively at 720p with identical graphical assets, but routinely dropped to 20FPS when the engine was under heavy load. So yes I haven't played the PS3 version but by all accounts there's very little to choose between the two versions.

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Yes - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... 5-face-off


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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:58 

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It was obviously pushing the hardware to its limits (much like San Andreas did), but it was eminently playable or else I wouldn't have sunk 120 hrs+ into it.


:this:

In the interests of full disclosure, I also played (and finished) it on PS3 and haven't tried the Xbox 360 version.

It's undoubtedly going to be a better experience on PC and on Xbone and PS4, probably a vastly better experience. Smoother, more consistent framerates, increased draw distance (which, to be fair, will likely only be noticeable in the planes and helicopters), better visual effects et al. And there's no question that GTA V taxes the hardware it currently runs on to the absolute limit. But it plays perfectly well. Unless the Xbox 360 version is significantly worse than the PS3 version, which is historically unlikely, this talk that the screen "regularly disintegrated into a jaggy lurching mess" and "the framerate routinely crashed through the floor" is just total fucking nonsense. It might not have run at 60FPS, but it does run consistently smoothly - if not a constant 30FPS then something approaching it. Unless you have the most sensitive eyes and brain on the planet, which going by AE's previous comments regarding console gaming may actually be true in his case, there's no way you could ever legitimately complain about the performance of the game in it's existing incarnations.


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 Post subject: Re: GTA V - stand aside, pretenders
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So we're all agreed that GTA5 was very impressive on PS3 and 360 and will probably be far better on PC / PS4 / XBone?

Good.

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So we're all agreed that GTA5 was very impressive on PS3 and 360 and will probably be far better on PC / PS4 / XBone?

Good.

Was this ever in doubt?

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