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Author:  MaliA [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 18:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Cavey is on board! Hurrah! With my brains and looks and Cavey's totally efficient moat we will go on to solve this terrible, terrible, blighted future.

First steps! Cavey, we need to go to the Bahamas and then to Vanuatu to investigate the problems they will face, show them our projections (i've done the slides) and then we will have an army if pe- i totally mean the full support of the kingdoms. We'll go to other places but only if BA fly there. But not Ipswich.

Saddle the horses, tonight we begin the fight!

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 18:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Club World okay for you bro'? Soz, but I couldn't run to First Class likes.

I'll make it up to you when we get to Phobos, yeah?

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 21:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Captain Caveman wrote:
Grim... wrote:
No, because there are women there with three tits. Right?


Total Recall... excellent stuff! I watched it again the other night, having bought it and a whole bunch of other cheesy Arnie films off Amazon for about £3 a pop for my sorry collection (the film buffs here would be distinctly unimpressed I feel, as indeed is Mrs C). I reckon JohnnyCabs on Mars are deffo the way forward.

"See you at ze party, Richter!11!"

any self respecting film buff loves Arnie, you big fool.

GET TO ZE CHOPPAH.

Author:  Grim... [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 14:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

LET OFF SOME STEAM, BENNETT!

Author:  Cras [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Well, the annual pre-budget report has canned the 3p fuel duty rise in January and has announced that there will be a consultation into offering tax incentives for Shale Gas mining. That's going to piss off the Green lobby.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Cras Kringle wrote:
Well, the annual pre-budget report has canned the 3p fuel duty rise in January and has announced that there will be a consultation into offering tax incentives for Shale Gas mining. That's going to piss off the Green lobby.



ROYAL

BABY

WILL

SAVE

US

ALL

Author:  kalmar [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
3) Colonize mars.

For its imaginary oil reserves?


Details, mere details. If we set out to colonize mars as a national priority the benefits are:

Science and engineering sectors get a boost of resources.
Spaceships.
This will draw talent to the UK.
More spaceships.
This will improve the UK economy.
Awesome spaceships.
Deprived areas become developed as more emphasis is put on education to be part of this project.
Moral behaviour becomes the norm.
Spaceships.
The booming economy promotes internal and external investments in regions.
Foreign governments tender for contracts.
More spaceships.
Spin off tech reduces carbon dependency.

Basically, we can solve many social and economic problems by moving now to colonize mars. And then the uk will have mars. And spaceships.

It's a shame no one ever consults me on this.


No one ever consults the Stainless Steel Rat.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Image

Source: http://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/15/wh ... -pie-chart

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

That just proves there's a cover-up in operation. You'd expect a higher proportion of dissenting papers than that due merely to statistical flukes in measurements and so on. :ninja:

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 17:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

MaliA wrote:
Details, mere details. If we set out to colonize mars as a national priority the benefits are:

Science and engineering sectors get a boost of resources.
Spaceships.
This will draw talent to the UK.
More spaceships.
This will improve the UK economy.
Awesome spaceships.
Deprived areas become developed as more emphasis is put on education to be part of this project.
Moral behaviour becomes the norm.
Spaceships.
The booming economy promotes internal and external investments in regions.
Foreign governments tender for contracts.
More spaceships.
Spin off tech reduces carbon dependency.

Basically, we can solve many social and economic problems by moving now to colonize mars. And then the uk will have mars. And spaceships.

It's a shame no one ever consults me on this.

I'm always hugely amused by the way the government bigs up the UK "space economy", given that they include in their numbers all the downstream users of stuff in space. Consequently some daft proportion like 80% of what they're claiming as being our "UK space economy" is actually just Sky TV's turnover rather than English boffins making satellites and SABRE engines.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 18:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Shit up. My ideas are great and of benefit to all.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 19:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Mr Christmassyfur wrote:
I'm always hugely amused by the way the government bigs up the UK "space economy",


Every time I pass the sign on the M1 to the 'National Space Centre' with the little emblem of a rocket, I quietly dream about what might have been.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 20:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Kern wrote:
Mr Christmassyfur wrote:
I'm always hugely amused by the way the government bigs up the UK "space economy",


Every time I pass the sign on the M1 to the 'National Space Centre' with the little emblem of a rocket, I quietly dream about what might have been.


So do I; Blue Streak, Black Knight, Black Arrow...
But shit, we couldn't even keep Standard Fireworks going, let alone an actual space industry.

We've got loads of banks though.

Author:  markg [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 20:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Skylon engine passed another significant test the other day. No doubt they'll be forced to go abroad for funding. Still, I can't wait to see the first proper spaceship take off from china in ten years time.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 20:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Kern wrote:
Mr Christmassyfur wrote:
I'm always hugely amused by the way the government bigs up the UK "space economy",


Every time I pass the sign on the M1 to the 'National Space Centre' with the little emblem of a rocket, I quietly dream about what might have been.


Hell, yeah, me, too.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 20:41 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

I laughed out loud yesterday when I saw the actual flight path of El Reg's failed LOHAN test flight.

Still, it counts as a space programme. Ish.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 13:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Kern wrote:
I laughed out loud yesterday when I saw the actual flight path of El Reg's failed LOHAN test flight.

Still, it counts as a space programme. Ish.


Did it crash because she was pissed?

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 13:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

kalmar wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
3) Colonize mars.

For its imaginary oil reserves?


Details, mere details. If we set out to colonize mars as a national priority the benefits are:

Science and engineering sectors get a boost of resources.
Spaceships.
This will draw talent to the UK.
More spaceships.
This will improve the UK economy.
Awesome spaceships.
Deprived areas become developed as more emphasis is put on education to be part of this project.
Moral behaviour becomes the norm.
Spaceships.
The booming economy promotes internal and external investments in regions.
Foreign governments tender for contracts.
More spaceships.
Spin off tech reduces carbon dependency.

Basically, we can solve many social and economic problems by moving now to colonize mars. And then the uk will have mars. And spaceships.

It's a shame no one ever consults me on this.


No one ever consults the Stainless Steel Rat.


You might mock..

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 22:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... pasta.html

The end of pasta...?

Quote:
“Wheat is a cool-season crop. High temperatures are negative for its growth and quality, no doubt about it,” says Frank Manthey, a professor at North Dakota State University who advises the North Dakota Wheat Commission. Already, a mere 1 degree Fahrenheit of global temperature rise over the past 50 years has caused a 5.5 percent decline in wheat production, according to David Lobell, a professor at Stanford University’s Center on Food Security and the Environment.

By 2050, scientists project, the world’s leading wheat belts—the U.S. and Canadian Midwest, northern China, India, Russia, and Australia—on average will experience, every other year, a hotter summer than the hottest summer now on record. Wheat production in that period could decline between 23 and 27 percent, reports the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI), unless swift action is taken to limit temperature rise and develop crop varieties that can tolerate a hotter world.

Author:  CraigGrannell [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 13:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

It's OK. By 2050, we'll have fallen into the sea, due to fracking.

Author:  Morte [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 15:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

If the world ends next Friday it might be for the best.

Did anyone else see this?


Author:  metalangel [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 17:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

My god, global warming sunk the Titanic!


Author:  kalmar [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 18:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Morte wrote:
If the world ends next Friday it might be for the best.

Did anyone else see this?



Yeah. :S

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 15:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Report leaked onlinesays it is
Quote:
"There is consistent evidence from observations of a net energy uptake of the earth system due to an imbalance in the energy budget. It is virtually certain that this is caused by human activities, primarily by the increase in CO2 concentrations. There is very high confidence that natural forcing contributes only a small fraction to this imbalance."


Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 30408.html

Quote:
The sudden release from the melting Arctic of vast quantities of methane – a greenhouse gas at least 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide –is an “economic time-bomb” that could explode at a cost of $60 trillion (£40tr) to the global economy, a study has concluded.

A scientific assessment of the costs associated with the release of Arctic methane into the atmosphere has found that the financial consequences to the world would almost equal the entire global economic output of one year.

Scientists and economists said that the release of methane trapped for thousands of years beneath the frozen permafrost of the Arctic is one of the most dangerous “feedback” consequences of the rapid warming of the region, which has seen sea ice diminish by more than a third since the 1970s.


This isn't theoretical; millions of tons of methane are already being released each summer from under what was, until recently, permafrost in the Arctic.
Quote:
Estimates of how much methane could be released from the Arctic were based on joint Russian-American expeditions to the East Siberian Sea where scientists have measured vast plumes of methane bubbling to the sea surface from underground deposits stored beneath the permafrost of the seabed, which extends under the sea because the continental shelf here is relatively shallow.

Russian scientists have calculated that there may be as much as 50 billion tonnes of methane locked away beneath the permafrost of the East Siberian Sea. Methane is about 23 times more potent than carbon dioxide over a 100 year period and its sudden release could change the global climate significantly faster than current predictions, the scientists say.

For instance, a massive pulse of methane could bring forward by between 15 and 35 years the date when global average temperature exceed the “safe” limit of 2C above pre-industrial levels. This limit would be reached by 2035 if nothing is done to curb greenhouse gases or 2040 if emissions are lowered, the study found.

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

So yeah, we had 80mm of rain in an hour in Nottingham on Tuesday.

That's about a month's worth. IN ONE HOUR.

We're doomed.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

We should bottle the methane, and then burn it.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

It's ok, all the methane will leak out through the hole in theozone layer. Right?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

On a related note, scientists are getting closer to working out what's killing the bees and its worse than they thought.

In case you hadn't seen this, this is what a supermarket produce section looks like with and without bees:

Image

With no bees to pollinate flowers, huge amounts of the fruits and vegetables we rely on can no longer grow.

Quote:
This resulted in the removal of 237 out of 453 products – 52 percent of the department's normal product mix. What's missing? There's a definitive lack of apples, avocados, bok choy, broccoli, broccoli rabe, cantaloupe, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumbers, eggplant, green onions, honeydew, kale, leeks, lemons, limes, mangos, mustard greens, onions, summer squash and zucchini — all foods that rely on bees.

"Pollinators are a critical link in our food system. More than 85 percent of earth's plant species – many of which compose some of the most nutritional parts of our diet – require pollinators to exist. Yet we continue to see alarming declines in bee numbers," said Eric Mader, assistant pollinator conservation director at the Xerces Society. "Our organization works with farmers nationwide to help them create wildflower habitat and adopt less pesticide-intensive practices. These simple strategies can tip the balance back in favor of bees."

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

From the same site, would also kill off the Tour de France!

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

SilentElk wrote:
From the same site, would also kill off the Tour de France!

Which is slightly loaded with bullshit. I like the bit where they say they could theoretically move it from June (it is in July) to September, but the cycling calendar is too crowded to do so.

Yes, over a 87 year horizon, there is no capacity to consider moving the single most prestigious event, consistently, for the history of a cycling as a sport, as there is no way that they would consider changing the date of another event of secondary importance.

Also, apparently, they can't run the tour if the temperature on the streets of Paris is not favourable to spectators. The average temperature would vary to higher ranges, but the graphs aren't giving certainty that it would be hotter than a Qatar summer for those 3 hours of the year.

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

But they say on the website!

Author:  Trooper [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

To quote the greatest philosopher of our time. "life will find a way"

How come every single thing reported on climate change always will have catastrophic consequences in the next 20 years or so?

At least the methane will solve the oil crisis...

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

HA! I've just moved on top of a hill! HAHAH! COWER PUNY HUMANS!

Author:  markg [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

I'm pretty sure that the last thing anyone is going to be giving a toss about is a bicycle race.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

markg wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the last thing anyone is going to be giving a toss about is a bicycle race.


La Grande Boucle is more important than many things.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

There wsa a really interestring program about CCD on the TV recently. I think it was a Horizon one. The sheer scale of the problem is miond boggling, also, how many bees are used in California alone.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Genuine question:

Why can't we do what bees do? What part of the process do they provide that cannot be replicated by science?

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Curiosity wrote:
Genuine question:

Why can't we do what bees do? What part of the process do they provide that cannot be replicated by science?


humans pollinating things on an agribusiness scale would be a bit of a task.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

By hand, sure - but can't we just spray pollen around? Not sure it's a job Curio would want to do, mind.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

The gains in crops would be lost in Claritin production

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Cras wrote:
By hand, sure - but can't we just spray pollen around? Not sure it's a job Curio would want to do, mind.


How would you harvest the pollen? The ebst way to do it, having given it about 3 seconds of thought, would proabbly to make a tree shkaing device and then use a big fan to blow the pollen aorund. Although this might not be that efficient.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Can we not GM up a massive fucking pollen plant, harvest on an industrial scale, then basically use crop dusters to pollinate everything?

Obviously saving bees is better (if they promise not to sting me).

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Curiosity wrote:
Can we not GM up a massive fucking pollen plant, harvest on an industrial scale, then basically use crop dusters to pollinate everything?

Obviously saving bees is better (if they promise not to sting me).


You'd be expsoed to the same risks as huge monocultures, so would stilll need broad spectrum pesticides and whatnot.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

markg wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the last thing anyone is going to be giving a toss about is a bicycle race.
I'm more worried about chocolate, coffee, pasta, and more.

Cras wrote:
By hand, sure - but can't we just spray pollen around? Not sure it's a job Curio would want to do, mind.
Your mum sprays her pollen around by hand.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
markg wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the last thing anyone is going to be giving a toss about is a bicycle race.
I'm more worried about chocolate, coffee, pasta, and more.

Cras wrote:
By hand, sure - but can't we just spray pollen around? Not sure it's a job Curio would want to do, mind.
Your mum sprays her pollen around by hand.


And that is another job I don't want to be involved in.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

MaliA wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Can we not GM up a massive fucking pollen plant, harvest on an industrial scale, then basically use crop dusters to pollinate everything?

Obviously saving bees is better (if they promise not to sting me).


You'd be expsoed to the same risks as huge monocultures, so would stilll need broad spectrum pesticides and whatnot.


Why can't we GM up a massive fucking pollen plant with preprogrammed genetic variation in its pollen production?

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Cras wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Can we not GM up a massive fucking pollen plant, harvest on an industrial scale, then basically use crop dusters to pollinate everything?

Obviously saving bees is better (if they promise not to sting me).


You'd be expsoed to the same risks as huge monocultures, so would stilll need broad spectrum pesticides and whatnot.


Why can't we GM up a massive fucking pollen plant with preprogrammed genetic variation in its pollen production?


Because, science.

EDIT: The path of least resistance to do this would be to replace the host's DNA polymerase with a non error checking one. That'll increase your error rate when duplicating by quite a bit thus variety increases. You'll get lots of things that do nothing, though. However, many plants carry multiple copies of their genome so this might cause problems further down the line. it won't be at all efficient.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

Then can we not create mechanical bees?

Author:  kalmar [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 19:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Climate change

I think nano-robo-bees may be the only workable solution, to be honest.

But then, I think that is the solution to most things. YMMV.

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