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Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 10:33 ]
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Grim... wrote:
How do you work it out?


The weight is KG. The rest are %. The scales I use have metal plates on that send a current round the body. Fat, muscle and bone are differing density.

I doubt it is very accurate, but it seem constant.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:21 ]
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Pretty sure current based density measures are junk science

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:28 ]
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Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*

Author:  Trousers [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:32 ]
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Cras wrote:
Pretty sure current based density measures are junk science


They can scan for Thetans though.

Author:  devilman [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:32 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


But it would help keep you off the chips.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:46 ]
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Not sure how much I weigh, but I'm feeling much better and steadily upping my weights / resistance / reps at the gym.

Been eating very well... but still succumb to biscuit barrel raids after my tea though.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:00 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


Think about it logically - sure, it's measuring resistance to current as it passes through your body, which we know is altered by passing through different tissues. But why would it take any route other than up one leg and down the other? Even if it did, how would the scales be able to differentiate based on what route it took? If it's going up one leg and down the other, how would it measure any part of your body other than your legs?

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:13 ]
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You'd need to plug it in 'spit-roast' style really, Kov.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:20 ]
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I don't like the sound of passing electrical current through my body to measure density. My heart runs on electrickery.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:23 ]
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Mine runs on pork fat.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:00 ]
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Cras wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


Think about it logically - sure, it's measuring resistance to current as it passes through your body, which we know is altered by passing through different tissues. But why would it take any route other than up one leg and down the other? Even if it did, how would the scales be able to differentiate based on what route it took? If it's going up one leg and down the other, how would it measure any part of your body other than your legs?


What is it with you and Physics.. Is this another grenade?

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:01 ]
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This may help...

Most of these types of scales use bioelectrical impedance. That is to say, they send a safe and very low electrical current through the lower half of the body. Since the electrical current flows more quickly through water and muscle than bone or fat, the scale measures the speed of the current.

Author:  Malc [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:06 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Grim... wrote:
How do you work it out?


The weight is KG. The rest are %. The scales I use have metal plates on that send a current round the body. Fat, muscle and bone are differing density.

I doubt it is very accurate, but it seem constant.

The % don't add up to 100?

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:10 ]
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The never do... I don't make the rules... :)

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:11 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
This may help...

Most of these types of scales use bioelectrical impedance. That is to say, they send a safe and very low electrical current through the lower half of the body. Since the electrical current flows more quickly through water and muscle than bone or fat, the scale measures the speed of the current.


Yes. Two main problems with that.

1) Path of least resistance. Got a big fat butt? The current will just take a path that doesn't pass through your big fat butt.
2) By their own definition, they're only measuring your legs. The body does not evenly distribute fat/water all over the place, so it's meaningless to pretend that the legs are an acceptable model for the whole body. This is, for obvious reasons, an exaggerated problem for women.

Not to take away anything from what you've done, man - your weight loss and getting in shape are well impressive! Your scales are bunk though ;)

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:13 ]
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ok... i will google that too...


When reading your data, keep in mind our bodies are made up of 50% – 65% water. It’s important to note that all tissue, including bone, contains water. Muscle contains more water than fat does. Muscle contains up to 75% water, bone can contain up to 22% water, and fat tissue contains up to a mere 10% of water. Men have more body water than women, which in part is because they carry more skeletal muscle and less essential fat.

These water percentages are important to note when speaking about body fat scales. Because both fat and muscle contain water, part of their total weight includes water weight. This will cause the overall total to be higher than 100%.

For instance, the following stats come from a 172.8-pound man:

Fat: 20.6 percent

Water: 60.5 percent

Muscle: 46.8 percent

Total percentage: 127.9

The total equals 127.9 because body water is found in both the muscle and fat, which increases the total percentage. His water percentage is pretty much on target and his body fat and muscle mass are both within the healthy range.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:14 ]
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That addresses neither of the issues.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:15 ]
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It says why it does not add to 100%.. and your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:16 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.


It doesn't though. That's completely made up. Their own comment that you posted upthread says the current is only passed through the lower half of the body.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:20 ]
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Here's a decent link covering the issues:

Quote:
“BIA* had the biggest spread of all the methods, even bigger than BMI,” explains Weightology founder James Krieger. “The error rate got as high as 8%, and that’s for detecting a change over time. So one could lose 4% body fat, yet BIA might show an increase in body fat of 4%.”


https://muscleevo.net/body-fat-scales/

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:29 ]
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Cras wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.


It doesn't though. That's completely made up. Their own comment that you posted upthread says the current is only passed through the lower half of the body.


As you stand on the plates.. it does not stop at your bollocks, it will do the whole of your body.

When you use a van der gaff gernertor, you hair stands up, as you complete a circuit.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:33 ]
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Cras wrote:
Here's a decent link covering the issues:

Quote:
“BIA* had the biggest spread of all the methods, even bigger than BMI,” explains Weightology founder James Krieger. “The error rate got as high as 8%, and that’s for detecting a change over time. So one could lose 4% body fat, yet BIA might show an increase in body fat of 4%.”


https://muscleevo.net/body-fat-scales/


To be fair the results are similar, to the one i had done at BUPA, which connects multiple connection on your body.

Yes it is not exact, but the same scales and the same body, will be consistent.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:14 ]
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What ever the scales say, Kov, I think you're lovely.

Much better than Craster.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:28 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Cras wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.


It doesn't though. That's completely made up. Their own comment that you posted upthread says the current is only passed through the lower half of the body.


As you stand on the plates.. it does not stop at your bollocks, it will do the whole of your body.

When you use a van der gaff gernertor, you hair stands up, as you complete a circuit.

Not getting involved with the scales and the circuitry, but what do you think you are completing a circuit with when you touch a Van Der Graff generator?

You touch it with your hand, not your legs, and also you're stood on the ground, which is not part of any circuit, unless the whole Earth is a circuit.

Actually, doesn't matter, Kov, your body work is great, but don't get hung up on these bollocks figures.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:31 ]
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He's weighing his bollocks now?

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:48 ]
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markg wrote:
He's weighing his bollocks now?

Aren't you?

Author:  Squirt [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:52 ]
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I'm passing electrical currents through my bollocks, if that helps?

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 14:54 ]
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I'm shoving sultanas down my ureathra, if that helps.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 24, 2017 15:07 ]
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I've squashed my plums

Author:  Trousers [ Wed May 24, 2017 15:11 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
I've squashed my plums


Attachment:
manny.jpg

Author:  Findus Fop [ Wed May 24, 2017 15:12 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
I'm shoving sultanas down my ureathra, if that helps.


don't forget what my mum used to tell me - many sultanas have spiders growing inside them, ready to burst out.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 24, 2017 15:49 ]
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Instructions unclear; urethra now full of spiders.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed May 24, 2017 15:50 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
markg wrote:
He's weighing his bollocks now?

Aren't you?


I have.

Author:  Squirt [ Wed May 24, 2017 16:04 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Instructions unclear; urethra now full of spiders.

Whereas, thanks to my daily genital electrocution, my urethra is entirely clear of all invertebrates!

Author:  Findus Fop [ Wed May 24, 2017 17:07 ]
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Squirt wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Instructions unclear; urethra now full of spiders.

Whereas, thanks to my daily genital electrocution, my urethra is entirely clear of all invertebrates!


Meanwhile, one long, glossy spider's leg is gracefully uncurling itself from Z's jap's eye. It hooks into the fleshy folds of Z's perenium, securing a solid purchase to pull from. The spider yanks itself forward, the awkward bulk of its plump torso straining against Z's urethral walls. With one succulent plop, the spider bursts free, landing on the bed. It shakes itself free of Z juice, breathes in the fresh air. Freedom. It's time for his thousands of spider buddies to come out and join him.

Author:  krazywookie [ Wed May 24, 2017 17:13 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Instructions unclear; urethra now full of spiders.

Whereas, thanks to my daily genital electrocution, my urethra is entirely clear of all invertebrates!


Meanwhile, one long, glossy spider's leg is gracefully uncurling itself from Z's jap's eye. It hooks into the fleshy folds of Z's perenium, securing a solid purchase to pull from. The spider yanks itself forward, the awkward bulk of its plump torso straining against Z's urethral walls. With one succulent plop, the spider bursts free, landing on the bed. It shakes itself free of Z juice, breathes in the fresh air. Freedom. It's time for his thousands of spider buddies to come out and join him.

:Vomit:
Wasn't there something about Zardoz's inside out sleeve last week? I have a fairly worrying mental image forming now.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 17:14 ]
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Okay, okay! The electro-magic fat scales work great and the science makes perfect sense!

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 17:49 ]
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Cras wrote:
Okay, okay! The electro-magic fat scales work great and the science makes perfect sense!


Ha ha

Author:  KovacsC [ Tue May 30, 2017 8:14 ]
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Well a good weekend of tests.

45 seconds off my swim - down to 8:44 for 400m
1 min of my 5k
Ftp increase from 218 to 228 watts

Happy halstead

Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:43 ]
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Using my magic scales.. I have finally dipped under 100 kilos.

I am 60 days from my big race, I don't feel ready..

Author:  JBR [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:46 ]
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If you were ready now, it would be a bit early.

Both flippant and serious, that.

Similarly, I aimed to do my long run yesterday, and baled 2 miles short of what I wanted to do (and 4 miles short of the railway station I was aiming for, too flipping far). Disappointing, and I wondered if that means I'm not really in shape. But really it's fine, marathon's not till the end of August.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:51 ]
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JBR wrote:
Both flippant and serious, that.

Flirious!

Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 14:01 ]
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JBR wrote:
If you were ready now, it would be a bit early.

Both flippant and serious, that.

Similarly, I aimed to do my long run yesterday, and baled 2 miles short of what I wanted to do (and 4 miles short of the railway station I was aiming for, too flipping far). Disappointing, and I wondered if that means I'm not really in shape. But really it's fine, marathon's not till the end of August.


cheers... i need to work on my swim..

Author:  krazywookie [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:41 ]
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Grim... wrote:
JBR wrote:
Both flippant and serious, that.

Flirious!

Seripant!

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:58 ]
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I survived the gym last night! First session back after my hols... tough going but still enjoyable.

To be fair, while I was away I did a lot of walking (and swimming) and didn't drink half as much as I normally do (usually go All-inclusive)

...am I growing up?

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:52 ]
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Well done.

I am trying not to grow up, i just can't drink like I used to.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 21:42 ]
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I just did some Wii Fit U but I messed up at the start so now it thinks I weigh nothing and every time I stand on the board it tells me I've put on weight.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 22:37 ]
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So as reliable as Kov's Magic Scale then?

Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:58 ]
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Bamba wrote:
So as reliable as Kov's Magic Scale then?

I guess it helps if you stand on the scale when it tells you to rather than stepping off at exactly that moment by mistake :)

Author:  Malc [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:48 ]
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I had a similar thing happen to me the other week, it really messed up the targets and the progress graphs etc. You'd think it would have some logic in there to prevent that, or at least a warning that the weight has changed dramatically, are you sure you are doing right?

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