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When did books become completely worthless?
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Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:25 ]
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I never liked any of you. I only came here to flog you my retro games.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:26 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
I bet the prices will rise again when all the electricity runs out.

I liked you more when you were funny.

I liked you more when I thought you were posh.

I liked you more when you had a pulmonary embolism.

I've never liked any of you.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:27 ]
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ffs...
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:27 ]
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And so another in-joke was born. Write that down in your copy books.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:28 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
ffs...

I like you more now that you've been owned.
Author:  metalangel [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:28 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
And so another in-joke was born.


I'm not liking anything.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:30 ]
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I liked you all more when I could lock threads.
Author:  Plissken [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:31 ]
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So did your mum.
Author:  Squirt [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:32 ]
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MR INJOKE FAVE
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:33 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Tut. TUT!


What he said.
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:33 ]
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I just handbombed some product onto the loading plate.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:35 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
I just handbombed some product onto the loading plate.

Dirty boy
Author:  Plissken [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:36 ]
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BOOKS!

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SIGNED!

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WARNING!

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Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:37 ]
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See, that's worth something to another person called Mike.
Author:  metalangel [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:37 ]
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I liked your mother up her weeping anus bent over her washing machine while I ate the world's hottest curry drenched in the world's hottester hot sauce while not reading 10 pages or counting how many sleeps were left and signing her invoice for £2 worth of boiled Vimto with rats in while DrG yelled at me from the other side of Davpaz's giant head because I couldn't remember when it was again.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:39 ]
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I've got a 10-year-old copy of "Problem Solving and Data Abstraction in Java" if anyone wants it. £50 o.n.o, might as well try to make a profit on it.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:40 ]
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metalangel wrote:
I liked your mother up her weeping anus bent over her washing machine while I ate the world's hottest curry drenched in the world's hottester hot sauce while not reading 10 pages or counting how many sleeps were left and signing her invoice for £2 worth of boiled Vimto with rats in while DrG yelled at me from the other side of Davpaz's giant head because I couldn't remember when it was again.

I liked you more when I was in your in-jokes.
Author:  Plissken [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:41 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
See, that's worth something to another person called Mike.


But not as much as it is to this person called Mike.

The invoice even says things like "Qty: 1. Price: $20.00. Number of Deadly Sins, excluding Sloth: 6".
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:44 ]
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We have a generic reading thread you know, "Mike"?

SHEESH.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:44 ]
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I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington. Signed by the authors too, no less.
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:46 ]
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All my GW ltds are signed too. I am supah boffo, though.
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:49 ]
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Er, I had a signed copy of John Hendrie's autobiography. But I lost it.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:52 ]
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I had a signed copy of Tank Girl with a personal message but I lost it.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:53 ]
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WTB wrote:
Er, I had a signed copy of John Hendrie's autobiography. But I lost it.

ZOMG! That would be worth FOUR steak slices from Baker's Oven!
Author:  Plissken [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:53 ]
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WTB wrote:
We have a generic reading thread you know, "Mike"?


I didn't say I was reading it, "SHEESH". If, indeed, that is your real name.

Also: Do any of your signed books have a guarantee of full dimensionality, direct from the author. I think not.

Also also: Have shitload of books to get rid of, so fanks too this thread, it seems the best place is the charity shop. Or those recycling bins. See, I can do on topic as well.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:55 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington. Signed by the authors too, no less.


I have a signed Mick Foley book as well. He wrote more on mine than on yours too!

:p
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:56 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
WTB wrote:
Er, I had a signed copy of John Hendrie's autobiography. But I lost it.

ZOMG! That would be worth FOUR steak slices from Baker's Oven!


You offering?
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:56 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington. Signed by the authors too, no less.


I have a signed Mick Foley book as well. He wrote more on mine than on yours too!

:p

Only because your name is longer!
Author:  Slightly Green [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:57 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington.



Why did you sign them?
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:57 ]
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Was quite sad to read pTerry's no longer able to do personal messages in his book signings due to his Alzheimer's. :(
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:03 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
Was quite sad to read pTerry's no longer able to do personal messages in his book signings due to his Alzheimer's. :(


:-(

I have recently sold all my signed pterrys and have a pile of others which are probably just 'to be gotten rid of' (when i have sorted out what i have to go i'll stick a thread on here to see if anyone wants them for P&P but given the weight its probably cheaper to go to your local charity shop and pick them up).
Author:  NervousPete [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:05 ]
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Tsk, I don't know. It was me that was supposed to get all angry in this thread.

Zardoz wrote:
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If I ever decide to get fired I'm going to hide in the library and make that overnight on the top floor. I'll also defend it with fire against anyone coming up the stairs.

Paperback books rock. Penguin books all the more. I'm just in love with the entire concept and design of a papery book, so yeah, no Kindle for me.

EBG, save them for my fort. Or, alternately, write your email addy in the front and drop them off in cafes, asking people to send you their thoughts. Maybe even as part of that Book Tracker thing.

Terry Pratchett accused me of being a goth due to my Neil Gaiman Sandman t-shirt, when I got Good Omens signed by him at the tender age of 19. Nowt could have been further from the truth guvnor. Still, relished it, and got it cosigned by Gaiman later on.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:12 ]
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NervousPete wrote:
Terry Pratchett accused me of being a goth due to my Neil Gaiman Sandman t-shirt, when I got Good Omens signed by him at the tender age of 19. Nowt could have been further from the truth guvnor. Still, relished it, and got it cosigned by Gaiman later on.


Apart from signing the books Pterry also put something extra in each one , a little line of text or drawing or similar and he did the same line for each book.

For Good Omens he and Neilhimself had an agreement that whoever signed first would write 'burn this book' and the other would write 'light here' and draw a little match
Author:  myp [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:14 ]
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I've got a signed copy of Terry Pratchett's 'Reaper Man' back from when he could remember who he was.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:17 ]
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Slightly Green wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington.

Why did you sign them?

Didn't I allude to that joke in the bit you chopped off?
Author:  Slightly Green [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:21 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Slightly Green wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I have signed books by Mick Foley and Mil Millington.

Why did you sign them?

Didn't I allude to that joke in the bit you chopped off?


damn, sorry i forgot you are a allusionist.

Am all full of manflu so sorry for missing it Mr G....
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:22 ]
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For this one its not the Pterry sig thats special its the one above from 2001 just a few months before he died

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Kirby
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 17:34 ]
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myp wrote:
I've got a signed copy of Terry Pratchett's 'Reaper Man' back from when he could remember who he was.

I liked him better when he could remember who he was.
Author:  sdg [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:23 ]
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I always assumed that authors made decent money. I mean I know that they don't all obviously end up with Harry Potter or Twilight levels of success but I thought that for someone getting a few books published they would be doing alright. Am I living in fantasy land? I haven't followed any of the links that anyone has posted but does anyone here know enough about it to give us a general idea about what being an author is really like?
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:25 ]
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I guess it depends how popular your work is... I imagine it ranges from "making a living" to "solid gold house".
Author:  sdg [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:27 ]
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Yeah I just wondered how much of a living it is but I suppose it is hugely variable. I can't imagine it is a quick process writing a book so there must be a period of a couple of years at least for most authors where they don't have one as a new release.
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:35 ]
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As I understand it, it usually works like this:

    *Bellend does a degree in English Literature, doesn't know what to do, occasionally plays games, becomes a games journalist.
    *Games journalist has dreams of becoming an author, doesn't really give a shit about games or serving his readers.
    *Writes a shite novel in his spare time whilst somehow managing to make a living freelancing for Future Publishing magazines and Eurogamer despite the fact that nobody gives a shit about his opinion because he doesn't give a shit about games or serving his readers.
    *He finishes his shite novel and some publisher guy likes it. They publish it and it sells next to fuck all.
    *Games journalist stops being a games journalist and pitches his next book idea to another publisher on the basis that he has already had a book published. Publisher accepts, offers him an advance equal to about a year's wage.
    *Ex-games journalist writes the book. It's shit, just like his last one. Doesn't sell much.
    *Ex-games journalist goes to yet another publisher: "I've had two books published, give me an advance."
    *All the while, ex-games journalist is supplementing his paltry income by still writing freelance in the gaming press, despite the fact the he gives even less of a shit about games and serving his readers than he did before. Because of this, aspiring youngsters who actually give a shit can't get their feet in the door of the industry.
    *Ex-games journalist labels himself an "author", despite the fact that most of his income comes from very poor freelance games journalism.
    *etc
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:40 ]
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WTB wrote:
"making a living" to "solid gold house".


There's a whole strata of hack shit writers guild cack below that.
Author:  WTB [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:42 ]
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Oh, totally! I was working on the assumption that the writer was at least getting published regularly and stuff - and that writing is all they do, rather than a hobby for extra cash or whatever. I'm sure there are any number of aspiring authors on the dole, for example.
Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:43 ]
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And dead. Was it Stieg Larsson's books that only sold after he'd joined the choir invisible?
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 18:51 ]
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Gilly wrote:
Yeah I just wondered how much of a living it is but I suppose it is hugely variable. I can't imagine it is a quick process writing a book so there must be a period of a couple of years at least for most authors where they don't have one as a new release.


The vast majority of authors will earn less than a City office monkey. In fact, most authors have a 'real' job as well

:(
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 19:00 ]
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Gilly wrote:
Yeah I just wondered how much of a living it is but I suppose it is hugely variable. I can't imagine it is a quick process writing a book so there must be a period of a couple of years at least for most authors where they don't have one as a new release.



The average wage of an author is somewhere along the lines of £8k pa.
Author:  Squirt [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 19:04 ]
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My sister has had three novels published through a small independent publisher. By the time you added up all the time she spent on them, I think she earned less than minimum wage ( although writing is a far more flexible job than cleaning or stacking shelves ).

I'd be interested to know how much of J K Rowling's megabucks are from book sales and how much are from the rights for movies and games.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 19:05 ]
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Gilly wrote:
Yeah I just wondered how much of a living it is but I suppose it is hugely variable. I can't imagine it is a quick process writing a book so there must be a period of a couple of years at least for most authors where they don't have one as a new release.


The average author's income is £8k pa. My friend, J, spent about 3 years writing his novel and it's due to come out in 2013, although he has do do more rewrites of it. My other friend, CC, I'm not so sure about. My further friend, J2, has just finished the third edition of his Biochemistry text book, which seems to be coming along well to have a third edition.

From what I've picked up from MrsA, academic books seem to pay better but getting a lawyer to sit down and actually finish something can be a struggle. teachers seem to be more productive. I can't comment on how much she has paid them, though.
Author:  Cavey [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 20:33 ]
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NervousPete wrote:
Paperback books rock. Penguin books all the more. I'm just in love with the entire concept and design of a papery book, so yeah, no Kindle for me.


:this:

Completely agree mate. Each to his or her own of course, but for me the Kindle adds unnecessary complexity, fragility and expense into what was otherwise a perfectly satisfactory equation. Of course, I am a total Luddite at heart, but I really enjoy the "feel" of a book; turning the crisp pages and so on - I really feel like I'm "doing something". I just don't get that from staring at a screen; indeed, I frequently have to print drawings and reports rather than read a pdf direct off-monitor or whatever. Plus, even the humblest, trashiest paperbacks of my youth - that I still retain and cherish as I could never throw a book away - evoke memories of those periods of my life when I read them. Again, I'm not going to get that from loading up one file or other on some device and besides, I spend enough of my bloody time peering at computer screens, often through little choice.

No, I'm sure a Kindle is a very worthy little device, but it's certainly not for me. Besides, knowing me I'd end up inadvertently chucking it into the swimming pool or whatever when next on holiday - that's when I do 95% of my reading for leisure anyway.
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