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Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:23 ]
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myp wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
myp wrote:
Paper can GTFF

Do you wipe your arse on it too?

Ange has to shower the cack off my legs.

Author:  GazChap [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:43 ]
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I wonder how much my signed copy of "Stanley Bagshaw and the 22-ton Whale" is worth?

Author:  Mr Russell [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 13:03 ]
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GazChap wrote:
I wonder how much my signed copy of "Stanley Bagshaw and the 22-ton Whale" is worth?

1p.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 13:03 ]
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+8.99 postage.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 13:20 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
+8.99 postage.


Except ebay will limit the amount you can charge for postage to £2.50 so when you actually sell it you make a loss of £6.50 and the ebay / paypal fee's and the buyer will claim it arrived damaged and want a refund so paypal will freeze your account and you'll have to pay the extra cash to have them buy a special camera and flamethrower to destroy the book and place the video of its destruction on Youtube.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 17:00 ]
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Quite a good read (via Skeptobot's twitter)

http://gigaom.com/2012/04/18/note-to-pu ... ign=gigaom

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Note to publishers: Your addiction to DRM is killing you
By Mathew Ingram Apr. 18, 2012, 1:57pm PT 25 Comments

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The Department of Justice’s lawsuit against two major book publishers — for allegedly colluding with Apple to keep the price of e-books artificially high — continues to make its way through the courts, and it has set off a frenzy of finger-pointing about who to blame for the destruction of the book industry at the hands of Amazon’s evil monopoly. I have argued that there’s a little bit of evil on both sides of this issue. But one thing seems fairly certain: If the publishers dislike the power Amazon has over them, they need to recognize they shoulder much of the blame, since they helped to forge the DRM chains that have kept them shackled to the company’s platform. Why not break those chains and try to set their content free instead?

The publishers have tried to argue they were forced to cut a deal with Apple to institute an “agency pricing” model for e-books — which allows them to set the ultimate price for their titles instead of giving that power to the end retailer, the way they did with Amazon until Apple came along — because otherwise Amazon would push prices down to unreasonable levels and take even more control over the industry. But who gave Amazon a lot of that control in the first place? The Big Six publishers themselves, by requiring DRM. As author Charlie Stross argued in a recent post:

By foolishly insisting on DRM, and then selling to Amazon on a wholesale basis, the publishers handed Amazon a monopoly on their customers.

Amazon no doubt wanted to lock up all of that e-book content with digital-rights-management protections just as badly as the publishers did, since that helped tie customers to its Kindle platform and the Amazon ecosystem. But the Big Six enthusiastically embraced the idea, because they believed piracy was a major risk with digital content and the only way to prevent it was to wrap it in Amazon’s proprietary file format. Further, those DRM controls also allowed publishers to set all kinds of restrictions on what e-book owners could do with their books, including how many times (or even if) they could lend them.

Has DRM prevented piracy? That seems unlikely, since it is relatively easy to get around those locks and copy a book if you really want to. What is pretty clear, however, is that those rights-management locks have cemented Amazon’s control over the publishers’ content. In other words, it has given the online retailer a stick with which to beat them, as Stross described it recently. And it has also made it more difficult for some independent e-book sellers, because publishers won’t let them sell their books without DRM.
Those DRM chains are hobbling the industry, not pirates

When it comes to readers and book buyers, meanwhile, DRM has been nothing but a source of pain and frustration, just as it has been in every other content market, including digital music. Books from the Big Six can’t be loaned or borrowed, or they can only be loaned or borrowed a certain number of times. And they can only be used on one platform, with all kinds of restrictions. What these chains and locks do, more than anything else, is to make the simple act of buying and reading a digital book horrendously complicated. Does that make more people want to buy and read e-books? It’s hard to see how. In a very real sense, those locks are hobbling the industry.

I think Christopher Mims of MIT’s Technology Review is right when he says the only option for publishers is to embrace the disruption that digital provides and do their best to disrupt themselves — and Amazon — rather than setting up artificial barriers:

It’s abundantly clear that publishers that survive in an Amazon world will be those who disrupt Amazon itself. If Amazon’s aim is to “cut out the middleman” then the next logical step is for publishers to cut out the middleman that is Amazon.

Some publishers refuse to bow to the god of DRM: O’Reilly Media, for example, sells all of its titles without any digital restrictions whatsoever. Tim O’Reilly has said he isn’t concerned about digital piracy, because most of the people who take his books without paying probably never would have bought a copy anyway. So it’s not as though he has lost a sale, and someone who reads them for free might later decide to pay (musician Neil Young has said that “piracy is the new radio”). And J.K. Rowling sells e-book versions of her massively successful Harry Potter series without DRM, although digital locks are added when a copy is downloaded to a Kindle.

Some, including Financial Times writer John Gapper, are skeptical that giving up DRM would make much of a difference for traditional publishers, since Amazon would presumably just continue to push down prices of e-books regardless, putting pressure on their profit margins and inexorably gaining more market share. And abolishing DRM certainly wouldn’t be some kind of magic wand that would return the book-selling business to the glory days of old. But at least it would give publishers a chance to be more flexible and adaptable, instead of trying to prop up their failing business model with price-fixing.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 15:52 ]
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I am geting rid of a lot of books, as I don'y have space. Where is the nest place to sell them, zifit are offering 8p a book...

Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 15:59 ]
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Unless you have some rare stuff, it's almost certainly not going to be worth your while to sell them - you might as well just take them to a charity shop.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 16:00 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Unless you have some rare stuff, it's almost certainly not going to be worth your while to sell them - you might as well just take them to a charity shop.



I will box them up and get rid cheers.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 16:21 ]
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Zapper is a quick way to scan them for pricing estimates though.

Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 19:25 ]
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Yeah, make sure you're not dropping a first edition Dickens or anything :)

Author:  RuySan [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 20:10 ]
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I'm still not sure about this. Every time i finish reading a book on my tablet i yearn for some paper. I have lots of attachment to the physical object, so i doubt that i ever make the transition fully.

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 21:35 ]
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There's a few authors I'll keep buying real books from (or getting them as a gift, which is where ebooks really fall short) but I just couldn't dedicate the space to keep everything I've ever read. I've got another box full on the loft to go off to a charity shop when I get chance. It's a bit depressing but I know I'll almost certainly never read any of them, and if I do change my mind then that's what the kindle is for.

Author:  Satsuma [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 22:11 ]
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RuySan wrote:
I'm still not sure about this. Every time i finish reading a book on my tablet i yearn for some paper.


Toilet paper, cause you've been reading 50 Shades of Grey? AMIRITE!?

Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 22:15 ]
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I got a dead tree for Christmas.

Every time I pick it up I'm sad it's not my Kindle.

It doesn't help that it's not very good (it's the new Alien book).

Author:  Achilles [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:15 ]
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Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:30 ]
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Cobracure wrote:
What I dont understand is apparently Vinyl is making a comeback - you cant even remote controlled fast forward that.

Sure you can. Even back when Vinyl was first popular, there were players that could fast forward, skip to the next track, etc.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:36 ]
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With a remote control? Really? I didn't know this.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:45 ]
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I only know because my mates dad had one from the seventies (I guess) when we were growing up. The remote was like a brick!

Author:  Trooper [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:51 ]
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Was the remote on a cable? Our first VCR was like that.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 13:19 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Was the remote on a cable? Our first VCR was like that.

Haha no! Wow!

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 13:22 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Was the remote on a cable? Our first VCR was like that.


Ours too. It was pretty fucking stupid and rarely used.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 13:26 ]
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I had to 'fix' my mum's VCR over Christmas. I didn't have a clue where to start, having completely forgotten how they worked. It came in over RF! I had to tune in the TV to find the channel!

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 13:28 ]
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Our house rocked the Ferguson Videostar. Seemed pretty magic at the time. Remote was scarcely used, though always a thrill when it was.
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Then we'd to return to playing with our sticks and coal and whatever else we had to occupy us.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 13:36 ]
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We had one of those too. It was a top loader and I broke it once by putting a plastic spider in it.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 20:07 ]
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Books.

Author:  asfish [ Sat Jan 24, 2015 14:33 ]
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Was in my local charity shop the other day looking for some toy cars for my son.

They had a half price book sale on, I picked up 6 cook books, by Nigella, Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey etc for £5.50 they are all hardbacks with a £20 or more price tag.

Read 95% of my stuff on Kindle these days but I do like a cookbook to be a book, can't get into Kindle cook books, don't know why just can't!

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 20:12 ]
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Charity shop for cook books, that is a great idea

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