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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 17:42 
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Holy shit, this really has gone farcical now.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012- ... o-72-hours

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Diablo 3 update 1.0.3 restricts new players who've bought the title online from accessing the entire game for up to 72 hours, Blizzard has announced.

New copies purchased through Blizzard's online store will initially be restricted to the game's Starter Edition.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 19:07 
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Jesus shuddering Christ. Anyone who continues to give this company any money is an idiot.

ETA: Especially if the commenter on that page is correct in saying that it only takes a couple of hours play to get to the point in game that you get blocked at. So you'd get two hours of your single player experience before having to twiddle your thumbs for the rest of three fucking days.


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Why are they doing this?


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Why are they doing this?

Money.

Although they may be a little misguided, time will tell.


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I can't think of many other markets where actively discouraging impulse purchases seems like such a bad idea. VOD maybe.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 19:54 
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It doesn't make sense, though. If you buy online, that means ActiBlizzard gets more of the money. Why are you being punished for doing so? Is it to stop screaming elmos making a nuisance of themselves by jumping into the much-vaunted online features (which are of course absolutely essential to the game hence being mandatory)?


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 19:54 
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Money.
That's not my take. This is a (rather desperate) fraud prevention measure. I think hackers had been using throwaway characters registered with stolen credit cards, which gave them a couple of days before the card charge was noticed to play for free; during which time they were presumably up to no good. Edit -- probably something more sinister than merely making a nuisance of themselves; I'm guessing item dupe bugs, auction house gaming, something like that.

Put it this way, how does this 72 hour window make Blizzard any extra money?


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Money.
That's not my take. This is a (rather desperate) fraud prevention measure. I think hackers had been using throwaway characters registered with stolen credit cards, which gave them a couple of days before the card charge was noticed to play for free; during which time they were presumably up to no good. Edit -- probably something more sinister than merely making a nuisance of themselves; I'm guessing item dupe bugs, auction house gaming, something like that.

Put it this way, how does this 72 hour window make Blizzard any extra money?

It's more that they don't lose it.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 20:06 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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Money.
That's not my take. This is a (rather desperate) fraud prevention measure. I think hackers had been using throwaway characters registered with stolen credit cards, which gave them a couple of days before the card charge was noticed to play for free; during which time they were presumably up to no good. Edit -- probably something more sinister than merely making a nuisance of themselves; I'm guessing item dupe bugs, auction house gaming, something like that.

Put it this way, how does this 72 hour window make Blizzard any extra money?


Now with the real money auction up and running, I assume the stolen credit card accounts were using that to get actual cash rather than the usual gold selling.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 20:07 
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Blizzard won't tell the truth, but it will come out, whatever it is.

I'm guessing the hackers have got 'something' on the real money auction house, although that's just a guess.

EDIT - LOL, Trooper just beat me to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Put it this way, how does this 72 hour window make Blizzard any extra money?

If it shores up the RMAH, it could equal plenty.

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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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battle.net hacked...better be changing your passwords.

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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Apparently EU folk only had their email addresses nicked, but it's probably best to change it anyway. Sick of this bollocks!


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:20 
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Blizzard can properly fuck off now as far as I'm concerned, never before has a company dropped so far in my estimation, and so fast.

They'll get a purchase of the pandas out of me, and I signed up for the WoW annual pass so I'll finish that, but thereafter, all bets are off.


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That'll teach 'em!


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:27 
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They can 'properly fuck off', but you're still buying from them?

They'll be out of business in a month...

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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:30 
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throughsilver wrote:
They can 'properly fuck off', but you're still buying from them?


But it will be through gritted teeth!


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
throughsilver wrote:
They can 'properly fuck off', but you're still buying from them?


But it will be through gritted teeth!

I'm looking really hard, but I can't find the "gritted teeth liability" section in Blizzard's annual report. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:44 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
AtrocityExhibition wrote:
throughsilver wrote:
They can 'properly fuck off', but you're still buying from them?


But it will be through gritted teeth!

I'm looking really hard, but I can't find the "gritted teeth liability" section in Blizzard's annual report. ;)


I realise 'I hate them but I'm buying the next WoW expansion anyway' isn't much of a full-frontal attack, but as someone who's defended Blizzard over the years (and even stated 'Diablo 3 is guaranteed to be brilliant' :DD ) it's a major change of attitude if nothing else.

They're not getting any money off me for the next two Starcraft 2 expansions, that's for damn sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 22:30 
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massively disappointed. It seems even my account had been attempted to be hacked so they locked it down. Can only guess it's related to this hack.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 22:50 
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Ah balls! I'd best login and see if mine is the same then.

So they're bullshitting about the extent of hacks on EU accounts?


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Everyone does have an authenticator, yes?

They're 100% free on mobile devices.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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I should bloody well hope they're free!

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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Not that they're any use. The hackers compromised those as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Not that they're any use. The hackers compromised those as well.


Evidence or it didn't happen.

I've heard this so many times over the years and I've yet to see any proof that an authenticator protected account has been hacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Check the Official Blizzard FAQ on the hacking... The hackers obtained keys that could compromise the authenticators. I'm not just making it up - Blizzard said this themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 0:31 
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Check the Official Blizzard FAQ on the hacking... The hackers obtained keys that could compromise the authenticators. I'm not just making it up - Blizzard said this themselves.


This is the internet man, feel free to use modern stuff like links.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Evidence:

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article ... et-support

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With regard to Mobile Authenticators, information was taken that could potentially compromise the integrity of North American Mobile Authenticators. We have no evidence that other regions were affected. We are working quickly to provide software updates to users.

Additionally we believe the integrity of the physical authenticators remains intact.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 0:33 
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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
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Check the Official Blizzard FAQ on the hacking... The hackers obtained keys that could compromise the authenticators. I'm not just making it up - Blizzard said this themselves.


This is the internet man, feel free to use modern stuff like links.


I thought you would've read the FAQ already, what with you being so confident and assured with your knowledge on the situation. Or at least that's how you were coming across.


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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Besides, I couldn't give a flying fistfuck about my Blizzard account. I do care about answers to stupid secret questions, passwords, email addresses, credit card numbers and billing addresses, which is what is at stake here. They can login to my account all they fucking like.

And right now, they're being cagey as shit about non-American accounts, and I wouldn't be surprised to discover that they got the lot. Which is the whole PSN saga all over again!


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 Post subject: Re: Diablo III - Out now!
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WTB wrote:
Evidence:

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article ... et-support

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With regard to Mobile Authenticators, information was taken that could potentially compromise the integrity of North American Mobile Authenticators. We have no evidence that other regions were affected. We are working quickly to provide software updates to users.

Additionally we believe the integrity of the physical authenticators remains intact.


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I thought you would've read the FAQ already, what with you being so confident and assured with your knowledge on the situation. Or at least that's how you were coming across.


Not really, I have little to no interest in my battle-net account, I'm only logging my WoW characters in once every couple of months to stop them getting kicked out of the guild.

If the mobile authenticators have been compromised then that's a poor show, but my reading of that is that the authenticators haven't been 'cracked' as it were, more that the hackers have retrieved information from inside Blizzard that would allow them to circumvent the authenticators in some way. Same end result but slightly different methodology.

Still, if your account was compromised and it had an authenticator, the ball would be 100% in Blizzard's court to help you out, so I'm sure any affected user would get everything back.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:10 
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Besides, I couldn't give a flying fistfuck about my Blizzard account. I do care about answers to stupid secret questions, passwords, email addresses, credit card numbers and billing addresses, which is what is at stake here. They can login to my account all they fucking like.

And right now, they're being cagey as shit about non-American accounts, and I wouldn't be surprised to discover that they got the lot. Which is the whole PSN saga all over again!


Why do you care about email addresses and billing addresses? That's not exactly secret information.

As for the secret question, I used a unique question and answer combo for battle.net (as I do for everything), that's common sense, so that if one account anywhere gets compromised, it doesn't compromise anything else.

Same goes for my battle.net password, that's unique. (i.e. If they get your email address and a password from a battle.net hack, it won't log them in anywhere else, and for fuck's sake ALWAYS have a strong unique password on your email account. If the email+password from a hack of ANY SERVICE ANYWHERE also gets the hacker into the email account of that address, you're a fucking idiot and you're asking for it.)

Credit card details could be a pisser though, I'll certainly give you that.

When it comes to absolutely fucking ANYTHING online these days, your starting point basically has to be an assumption that the data you're entering is hackable. So as far as possible, make it STRONG and UNIQUE, that way if you get fucked at one place (PSN, battle.net, whatever), you don't automatically get fucked anywhere else.


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All of that information is important.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:28 
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WTB wrote:
All of that information is important.


Why is a postal address important? What's a hacker going to do with it, find you on Google Maps?


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Use it as a backdoor into any number of other online accounts, such as Amazon, as demonstrated in Gaywood's hacking thread earlier this week. It's all important.


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Use it as a backdoor into any number of other online accounts, such as Amazon, as demonstrated in Gaywood's hacking thread earlier this week. It's all important.


Yeah but as the guy in that hack readily admitted, the only reason the hack was significant was his duplicating of info across multiple accounts, and he hadn't backed up the photos of his daughter for a fucking year.

A postal address is not important personal information.


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If the mobile authenticators have been compromised then that's a poor show, but my reading of that is that the authenticators haven't been 'cracked' as it were, more that the hackers have retrieved information from inside Blizzard that would allow them to circumvent the authenticators in some way. Same end result but slightly different methodology.

If you don't understand enough about public key auth to do any better than the above paragraph of waffle, then you don't understand enough to gauge the severity of this security breach.


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Yeah but as the guy in that hack readily admitted, the only reason the hack was significant was his duplicating of info across multiple accounts,
No. Not even close. The entire amount of duplicated info was his credit card number and the associated billing address, neither of which can easily be permuted between sites.

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Which is relevant to what, exactly?

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A postal address is not important personal information.

it shouldn't be. Honan's point is that both Amazon and Apple (...and who knows who else?) treat it as if it is. Seriously, did you even read the Wired article?


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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If the mobile authenticators have been compromised then that's a poor show, but my reading of that is that the authenticators haven't been 'cracked' as it were, more that the hackers have retrieved information from inside Blizzard that would allow them to circumvent the authenticators in some way. Same end result but slightly different methodology.

If you don't understand enough about public key auth to do any better than the above paragraph of waffle, then you don't understand enough to gauge the severity of this security breach.


The physical authenticators haven't been compromised, which leads me to believe that Blizzard handle the mobile authenticators in a different way.

But no, I don't really understand public key auth, but I still don't understand how it's a 'severe breach' either, they're only bloody game accounts at the end of the day.


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Yeah but as the guy in that hack readily admitted, the only reason the hack was significant was his duplicating of info across multiple accounts,
No. Not even close. The entire amount of duplicated info was his credit card number and the associated billing address, neither of which can easily be permuted between sites.

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Which is relevant to what, exactly?

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A postal address is not important personal information.

it shouldn't be. Honan's point is that both Amazon and Apple (...and who knows who else?) treat it as if it is. Seriously, did you even read the Wired article?


1) Fair enough, but it still wouldn't have been a problem if he hadn't used the same email address for everything, or something like that anyway.

2) It's relevant in that the hack affected him badly because he was lax on his backup strategy. The less you stand to lose from a hack, the less it affects you.

3) Yes I read it all, it was quite interesting but at the same time I was like, 'I look after my shit a lot better than he does and if that hack happened to me I'd be nowhere near as badly affected.' It'd be a pain in the arse, sure, but survivable. (I ain't go no remote wipe shit going on with my fucking COMPUTER, that's for damn sure.)


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AtrocityExhibition wrote:

The physical authenticators haven't been compromised


Bold statment which goes alot further than Bliz

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With regard to Mobile Authenticators, information was taken that could potentially compromise the integrity of North American Mobile Authenticators. We have no evidence that other regions were affected. We are working quickly to provide software updates to users.

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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
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If the mobile authenticators have been compromised then that's a poor show, but my reading of that is that the authenticators haven't been 'cracked' as it were, more that the hackers have retrieved information from inside Blizzard that would allow them to circumvent the authenticators in some way. Same end result but slightly different methodology.

If you don't understand enough about public key auth to do any better than the above paragraph of waffle, then you don't understand enough to gauge the severity of this security breach.


The physical authenticators haven't been compromised, which leads me to believe that Blizzard handle the mobile authenticators in a different way.

But no, I don't really understand public key auth, but I still don't understand how it's a 'severe breach' either, they're only bloody game accounts at the end of the day.


I... Is there any point conversing with you? Haven't we already established that "just game accounts" definitely isn't all they are?


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I... Is there any point conversing with you? Haven't we already established that "just game accounts" definitely isn't all they are?


We're talking about battle.net accounts, aren't we?


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Yes, and all of the information held within. How are we not on the same page? It's not complicated!


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Yes, and all of the information held within. How are we not on the same page? It's not complicated!


Oh right sorry I'm genuinely not trying to be obtuse, it doesn't help that AE Jnr is bouncing off the bloody walls as well!

I go back to what I said before then, namely that the majority of the information in a battle.net account isn't really that 'super valuable'.

And I've just re-read the Wired article, the guy really didn't do himself any favours with how he daisy-chained everything together, and considering that his gmail account was the key to the castle he should have had two-step on there.

I'm not saying that between them Amazon and Apple didn't facilitate his getting fucked over, because they did, but seriously, he basically enabled the 'devastation factor' of the hack with his own behaviour.


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And now you've just reiterated the points Rich already addressed above! Regardless of whose "fault" it was, that guy suffered at the hands of hackers because a) some major websites have particularly lax security measures, and b) seemingly innocuous data is actually quite the opposite because of these lax security measures. That's regardless of the guy's own blunders, which we can learn from.


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And now you've just reiterated the points Rich already addressed above! Regardless of whose "fault" it was, that guy suffered at the hands of hackers because a) some major websites have particularly lax security measures, and b) seemingly innocuous data is actually quite the opposite because of these lax security measures. That's regardless of the guy's own blunders, which we can learn from.


Well yes, I basically agree with you, but any of us can turn this into a total 'nothing to worry about situation' by NOT making the mistakes the dude did.

This comes back to my earlier point, ASSUME your data is vulnerable and ASSUME that companies are shit in how they look after it. The hack was very clever in that it played on Amazon's greed, because of course they want it to be easy to add a new payment option, hence no real security on that step.

Yes Amazon and Apple were shit, but equally, the dude could have easily made himself unhackable by the method described.


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that guy suffered at the hands of hackers because a) some major websites have particularly lax security measures, and b) seemingly innocuous data is actually quite the opposite because of these lax security measures.

No, no, no, no, no!
The guy suffered at the hands of hackers because a) hackers.

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Bollocks! Hackers gonna hack. Certainty.


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