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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:39 
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Craig wrote:
When you are an adolescent you experience emotions that you haven't experience previously. Adult emotions that, because they are new, are difficult to interpret correctly. They can therefore appear far more extreme than if a fully mature adult were experiencing them. Perhaps that maturity comes from constant management of such feelings or perhaps those feelings become lessoned with experience.

It is however so dominated by the individual's circumstances and sense of self that it is very difficult to make sweeping generalisations about it. It seems to me that some people's experience with depression is intrinsically associated with their growth into adulthood. Thus even if all auxiliary problems are solved they remain depressed as though the act of growing up is itself the problem. Ofcourse as an adult there are a multitude of socially identifiable problems (alcohols, drugs, gambling, violent abuse etc) that can act as an expression of such feelings that a child perhaps doesn't have access to.

Parents, teachers etc. should obviously do all they can if a child seems to be suffering from some emotional or mental problem. I've seen all sorts of problems amongst my peers, anorexia, self-harm, drug abuse and who knows what else that you can't see. And frankly the support they have received has not often helped them. Once they become adults and the concern of teachers and others disappears the problem invariably becomes worse. It does all seem like a "cry for help" rather than a physical or physiological problem they can't control and even after the problem (if there was one) that caused such actions have been removed, the crying can become such a habit that it continues.

Frankly, I think the vast majority of people with such problems should be told to buck up and in no way indulged. The world will continue whether you are in it or not so you either take responsibility for your problems and take charge of solving them (i.e. reach adulthood) or shuffle off. That I am afraid is the 'real' world. Being a depressive can be quite an expensive business, maybe that's why so many middle-class kids suffer from it?


and the Nobel Prize for Care and Understanding goes to Craig, for his inspirational work "Man up or Fuck off".

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:42 
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Harsh, but I do care a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:47 
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Craig wrote:
Harsh, but I do care a lot.

FWIW you are probably right, but can you imagine going to a loved one, or a friend, or damnit even some twat on a phone line...spilling your guts..then being told "shit sticks, the world isnt all cotton wool, pull up your socks, or pull up a chair near a roof beam"

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:57 
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No I cannot but neither do I advocate such a response. Helping someone with their problems and ensuring that they remain aware of their self-responsibilities are not mutually exclusive. The one benefit of such movements as 'emo' is that at least such obvious signs of depression can be shared and socialised rather than ostracised. However the down side is that it clearly is a fashion, something that should be grown out off. So what happens to those who can't? Do they remain looking like a 14 year old all their lives? Does this movement really provide a means to express and solve such issues or just avoid them?

Grunge was the fashion when I was a lad. Cobain clearly had mental problems that were celebrated in his art and provided him with a lot of money and fame but ultimately killed him. A lesson learned there for sure? Depression, abuse , anxieties aren't a fashion they are problems that should be dealt with not celebrated to their extremities. And certainly not by the music industry who don't have a great track record of helping the needy.

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:00 
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and the Nobel Prize for Care and Understanding goes to Craig, for his inspirational work "Man up or Fuck off".


That actually made me laugh out loud.

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:02 
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Fair comment though, some people are just feeble and look for any excuse to bemoan the unfairness of their existance, and I'm quite happy for these people to do the decent thing and put themselves out of my misery, you whiney feeble gits.

Other people though do have genuine problems where the 'buck up, loser' approach probably won't work, but I'm sure it's the smaller proportion.

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LaceSensor wrote:
what a bunch of losers.

the guys with the cameras, I mean.

grow up tbh.


I agree with laceSensor.

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 18:02 
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Frankly, I'd rather see a few fakers indulged than a few people with genuine problems ignored.

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 Post subject: Re: Emo/MCR fans vs Daily Mail
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 0:32 
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On what was said earlier, I don't consider Fugazi emo. But the bands that Fugazi were spawned from, Embrace (DC not shit indie band) and Rites Of Spring were emo in the old sense of the word, which basically meant hardcore punk but with introspective lyrics. OK GUYS?

For example, the Rites Of Spring song Remainder basically sounds like Bad Brains but with lyrics about the MIND. But the music that is considered emo these days is just every MTV pop-rock band from the year before but with sideways haircuts and eyeliner, it will die out in about a year.

Fugazi on the other hand are something different again.


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