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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:15 
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That was arguably DE's best table. Jurassic Park was really good as well.

Pretty shallow rulesets as was often the case with DE, but some of their tables were still a lot of fun to play. Lethal Weapon 3 is another one that springs to mind.

Shame they were always somewhat hamstrung by their shite sound hardware.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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At one point in my local arcade we had the DE Star Wars / Lethal Weapon 3 / Terminator 2 tables all in a row - it was great :-)

I always had a soft spot for LW3 , and liked how it tried to throw things at you (with the gun challenges so you had to take a hand off the flipper button to shoot the enemies at the right time).

Its another table I'd put my money down for on a kickstarter - "What Leo wants .... Leo Getz ... Okay okay okay"

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 15:52 
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There was a passable version of LW3 in Visual Pinball about ten years ago, so chances are that's a lot better these days.

I have no idea what state Visual Pinball and VPINMAME are in though, or indeed if they're still actively updated or anything like that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 16:46 
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Hearthly wrote:
There was a passable version of LW3 in Visual Pinball about ten years ago, so chances are that's a lot better these days.

I have no idea what state Visual Pinball and VPINMAME are in though, or indeed if they're still actively updated or anything like that.


I had a few versions but very low res and they never played that well a long time ago and to be honest since any of the farsight tables came out (even their earlier Wii / PSP stuff) i just ignored it

Looks like the last stable release was only a few weeks back so i may have a look at it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Pi ... al_PinMAME

The other big thing i remember was the issues over 'piracy' here for recent roms , so this was not MAME emulating 30 year old arcade machines but emulating brand new pinball tables that were only just rolling off the production line

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Doctor who table is out today on mobile and steam

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Yes I've given it a quick kick about this morning. Kind of as I remember it really, not a bad table but not an amazing one either.

It all looks very lovely and shiny in the DX11 version though, and I do like the Doctor Who music. Then again, who doesn't like the Doctor Who music? Anyone who doesn't like the Doctor Who music is a wrong 'un.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:16 
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They have released the stern pinball update now on IOS / Steam (pc only not mac)

Again free to play with a 'free table' to play during the month and season passes / options to buy each table

Mostly negative feedback because typical for Farscape its broken but expect things to be fixed later - i've played a few of the tables on the PS4 and my biggest criticism is that they are including older tables i've already bought and want me to buy them again

Prices are in dollars - i cant run it right now to find out how this translates over to £

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Mary Shelley's Frankenstein - FREE to play this month
Mustang - FREE to play this month

Bundle Pack One - $19.99 (individual prices listed below)
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein™ - $4.99
Ripley's Believe it or Not!® - $4.99
Star Trek™ Vengeance Premium - $9.99
Starship Troopers™ - $4.99
AC/DC® - $9.99

Bundle Pack Two - $19.99 (individual prices listed below)
Harley Davidson® Third Edition - $4.99
High Roller Casino™ - $4.99
Mustang™ Premium Boss - $9.99
Last Action Hero® - $4.99
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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 13:22 
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They can fuck right off with that. Fair enough Stern are still producing real pinballs and I doff my hat to them for that, but the truth is they're built to a ruthless budget and are generally somewhat basic. (I've seen Papa Pinball guides for a lot of the Stern tables and the gulf between them and 90s Williams/Bally tables is massive.)

That's not to say I wouldn't love to have some real pinballs around here to play, and I've have no problem playing Stern tables with my own cash, but it's a big stretch from that to wanting to play them on my PC, especially when there's still such a huge number of classic tables to recreate that are, y'know, good.

I'm not happy with the split product branches either, Pinball Arcade is already starting to feel a bit neglected. Yes we got Doctor Who earlier in the year but since then it's been crappy ancient EMs and a couple of fucking Gottliebs, the most recent of which looked so massively uninspiring I haven't even loaded it up. (Despite having already paid for it via the Season Pass.)

Can't see me investing anything in Stern Pinball Arcade at all, the tables simply don't interest me (or the ones that do i.e. the older DE/Sega tables are already in TPA). And the next Season Pass for TPA won't be an auto-buy for me either, I'll wait and see how it pans out and what gets released first.

Still, none of this devalues all the awesome stuff that's already in TPA, so nothing to fret too much about. I hope Farsight don't go bust or something shit like that though, and I'm not sure SPA is going to help them much.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 19:47 
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So it looks like they've run out of Williams/Bally licences again as the Gottliebs are back in force and have been since Doctor Who, and now in the case of the most recent release, we have an 'Alvin G & Co' table which was a (short-lived) company started in the early 90s by the original Alvin Gottlieb but he couldn't use the Gottlieb name anymore as he'd sold it with the business. (Alvin G & Co only produced a handful of tables in total, with fairly small production runs, before ceasing trading.)

Needless to say it's not a very good pinball, I guess it is interesting from a historical perspective but you could just watch a video about it and see and hear all you need to really. In fairness it's not a bad table as such but it is painfully average IMO.

I think I'll be waiting to see how the seasons pan out in future, rather than buying them upfront and hoping it's more Bally/Williams than Fucking Gottlieb.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Season 7 has landed and not exactly with a bang. On the plus side it is a Bally table, on the minus side it's one of those dreadfully generic style of early solid state pinballs with shit sounds, no music, lethargic gameplay and general rubbishness.

I was bored of it before the intro video had even finished, and that's less than two minutes long.

No sale, I will not be purchasing Season 7 based on this, and will wait to see how the season pans out.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Farsight don't do themselves any favours sometimes. I have refused to buy Season Seven because all the tables so far have been shit, but a table I want has finally turned up.

I tried to buy it. I did not succeed.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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They seem to have messed up the update - mines bombed out when trying to buy as well (iOS) - the way i found round it was demo it (so it downloads it) then play till the score break when it stops you and then the purchase button actually worked for me

Otherwise if i just try to buy it it either puts me in a page where i can buy custom ball art , or it just closes the whole app down

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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You do get the impression they've spread themselves a bit thin with all the platforms they (sort of....) support, is Ouya (!!) still in there?.....

I really like World Championship Soccer it's one of my fav tables of all time so I'm a bit narked I can't buy it. Thy 'BUY SEASON' button looks like it should work (it doesn't list its value as [ERROR] at least), but for all I know this'll be the one good table in the entire season.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:36 
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They have fixed this now so the table can actually be purchased!

I went for the Pro edition as I like the little extras even though they're largely superfluous.

Table is every bit as good as I remember it being, a real joy to play. Also it seems to be one of PA's better conversions, with really crisp graphics, great lighting, and overall they seem to have given it the attention it deserves.

Lovely sound and music package on this one too.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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This probably isn't the right place for this but I had no idea that Pinball FX3 had been released. Apparently you can import all your old tables into it too. Nice.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 15:59 
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>:(

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'Pinball' FX.

Videogame that looks like a pinball game, more like.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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A bit like an arcade game that looks like a racer I guess.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 16:57 
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Don't listen to Hearthly edginess. Some Pinball FX tables are actually quite fun, even if they're not as authentic as Pinball Arcade.

Tried PFX3 and the default single player mode has XP, grinding and other stupid shit that should have stayed in mobile gaming. Fortunately there's still "Classic Single Player".


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 17:03 
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RuySan wrote:
Don't listen to Hearthly edginess. Some Pinball FX tables are actually quite fun, even if they're not as authentic as Pinball Arcade.


But that's exactly what I've said about Pinball Arcade all along, that it's a fun videogame, but it's not an authentic pinball game/simulator and scarcely even pretends to be.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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But what do you think about PinballFX?


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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But what do you think about PinballFX?


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But that's exactly what I've said about PinballFX all along, that it's a fun videogame, but it's not an authentic pinball game/simulator and scarcely even pretends to be.


Thinking about it, PinballFX is kind of a spiritual successor to something like Devil Crash on the Megadrive. A videogame that uses 'pinball aspects' instead of say, a spaceship, or a little flying dude, or suchlike, to control the action.

And for the record, I thought Devil Crash was fantastic and played the arse out of it.

For me though, PinballFX is redundant in a world where Pinball Arcade exists, and I'd rather just play 'other videogames' for videogame fun, instead of PinballFX.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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The only problem with PFX is that the games are overly long and grindy in most tables. The fact that it's, like you said, in the vein of games like Devil Crash makes it even more relevant since Pinball Arcade fills the "authenticity" niche.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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RuySan wrote:
The only problem with PFX is that the games are overly long and grindy in most tables. The fact that it's, like you said, in the vein of games like Devil Crash makes it even more relevant since Pinball Arcade fills the "authenticity" niche.


Yes I remember having what felt like a really long game on a table in PFX2, and then seeing Trousers' high score and realising I'd need to be playing the same game for about seven years to actually get close to his score.

Pinball is of course an arcade game at heart, designed to take money and dish out a certain amount of time to the player, and whilst skillful players can do much better than novices, random bad luck will sink you sometimes, and games are sort of 'self-limiting' in how long they can go on for - something that PFX misses, but it's a videogame, not a pinball game.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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If we're going into philosophy mode (i'll c'est ne pa une pipe and so on), Pinball Arcade is also a videogame, not a pinball game.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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RuySan wrote:
If we're going into philosophy mode (i'll c'est ne pa une pipe and so on), Pinball Arcade is also a videogame, not a pinball game.


Pinball Arcade is a videogame pinball simulation.

PFX is a videogame with pinball elements.

Pinball Arcade tries to be a realistic interpretation of real pinball tables, including emulation of the electronic gubbins, whereas PFX just does crazy shit that wouldn't even be possible with a physical table.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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That's like saying that Football Manager is a videogame football simulation and FIFA is a videogame with football elements.

Or Dirt Rally is a Videogame driving simulator and Daytona is a videogame with driving elements.

Anyway, this conversation is dumb. BTW, PFX3 new tables, Jaws, Back to the Future and ET look really cool. Did anyone tried them yet?


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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RuySan wrote:
That's like saying that Football Manager is a videogame football simulation and FIFA is a videogame with football elements.

Or Dirt Rally is a Videogame driving simulator and Daytona is a videogame with driving elements

Yep, I alluded to this earlier in the thread. Completely agree. So dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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What's dumb is that my basic point about these two games appears to be difficult to grasp and/or somehow contentious or indeed worth debating at all.

PFX is not in any way a pinball simulation and doesn't pretend to be.

Pinball Arcade is a pinball simulation. (Including emulation.)

I'm not even saying that PFX isn't entertaining, well made, or fun. But it's a very long way removed from anything remotely resembling proper pinball.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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It might not be a simulation, but it's very much a pinball videogame (not a "videogame with pinball elements"), in the same way that FIFA is a football game and Daytona is a driving game.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 19:26 
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I don't about your fancy 21st century pinball games, all I know is that the SNES version of Pinball Fantasies is gash


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