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Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:15 ]
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You are the God of Internet things. Awesome work.

Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:31 ]
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And why, when you double press the button on your iPhone, do your open apps appear on the left now instead of the right. It's like apple are fiddling around for the fucking sake of it now.

(Not forum related. Natch.)

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:37 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
And why, when you double press the button on your iPhone, do your open apps appear on the left now instead of the right
It's probably for the new 3d touch enabled app switching on the iPhone 6s.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:57 ]
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Cras wrote:
Yup, back to normal

Skillz.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:09 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
And why, when you double press the button on your iPhone, do your open apps appear on the left now instead of the right
It's probably for the new 3d touch enabled app switching on the iPhone 6s.


Out of curiosity, why does that mean switching the side of the screen the apps appear on? I haven't got access to any new enough Apple hardware to play with the 3D touch stuff so I don't really know what impact it has.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:49 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Skillz.


10 PRINT "HELLO GRIM...";
20 GOTO 10


It's that classy trailing semi-colon that does it for me. :D

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:03 ]
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But you don't have one on the GOTO command. Stupid BASIC.

Author:  lasermink [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 15:33 ]
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Grim... wrote:
But you don't have one on the GOTO command. Stupid BASIC.

The semicolon serves to modify the behaviour of print so it doesn't do a newline.

Author:  lasermink [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 15:34 ]
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I is 1337.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 16:58 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Out of curiosity, why does that mean switching the side of the screen the apps appear on? I haven't got access to any new enough Apple hardware to play with the 3D touch stuff so I don't really know what impact it has.

Pure supposition, but:

The iPhone 6s uses aa new gesture for task switching. You force touch (ie. push a bit harder than usual) on the edge of the phone and then swipe. I'm guessing that something about this felt more natural for the apps to be stacked oldest-to-newest left-to-right, rather than the other away around. I'm not sure what though. Perhaps because older on the left feels right for the idea of going back through apps.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 17:25 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Out of curiosity, why does that mean switching the side of the screen the apps appear on? I haven't got access to any new enough Apple hardware to play with the 3D touch stuff so I don't really know what impact it has.

Pure supposition, but:

The iPhone 6s uses aa new gesture for task switching. You force touch (ie. push a bit harder than usual) on the edge of the phone and then swipe. I'm guessing that something about this felt more natural for the apps to be stacked oldest-to-newest left-to-right, rather than the other away around. I'm not sure what though. Perhaps because older on the left feels right for the idea of going back through apps.

If I've learnt anything about coding it's that if you're not sure which way to put something make it work both ways and offer a user setting.

Author:  Bamba [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 18:58 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Out of curiosity, why does that mean switching the side of the screen the apps appear on? I haven't got access to any new enough Apple hardware to play with the 3D touch stuff so I don't really know what impact it has.

Pure supposition, but:

The iPhone 6s uses aa new gesture for task switching. You force touch (ie. push a bit harder than usual) on the edge of the phone and then swipe. I'm guessing that something about this felt more natural for the apps to be stacked oldest-to-newest left-to-right, rather than the other away around. I'm not sure what though. Perhaps because older on the left feels right for the idea of going back through apps.

If I've learnt anything about coding it's that if you're not sure which way to put something make it work both ways and offer a user setting.


Any other company; probably. Apple? Not so much.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 22:36 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
If I've learnt anything about coding it's that if you're not sure which way to put something make it work both ways and offer a user setting.

Settings aren't free. They have a cost. Superfluous ones get in the way when the user is looking for something else. Add too many settings, and users are immediately put off using any of them. Worst case, they're so overwhelmed they stop using the software altogether.

And that's only the UX. Worse, every setting you add is another test scenario. When the user clicks Go, does the browser load the page? What if the language is set to Japanese? What if the theme is set to dark mode because it's night? What if the phone is rotated through 90 degrees? What if it's rotated and in Japanese but the dark theme is switched off?

Each setting increase the surface area of an app by the product of all the other settings. Settings aren't free. You have to use them sparingly.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:33 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
And that's only the UX. Worse, every setting you add is another test scenario. When the user clicks Go, does the browser load the page? What if the language is set to Japanese? What if the theme is set to dark mode because it's night? What if the phone is rotated through 90 degrees? What if it's rotated and in Japanese but the dark theme is switched off?

/splutters out drink
/gathers people round
Look! Look! This man working for Google has heard of testing!

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:51 ]
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I'm going to try and make the forum display .gifv files. You can ignore this thread for a bit while I fiddle.

http://i.imgur.com/cKcx3Lf.gifv

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:16 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I'm going to try and make the forum display .gifv files. You can ignore this thread for a bit while I fiddle.

http://i.imgur.com/cKcx3Lf.gifv


Once you've done it, can you go and teach Google how? Chrome's support of that format is fucking woeful.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:17 ]
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Although it occurs to me now that I'm not using it on my phone or my tablet because it's shit so, actually, don't bother.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:30 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I'm going to try and make the forum display .gifv files. You can ignore this thread for a bit while I fiddle.

http://i.imgur.com/cKcx3Lf.gifv


Once you've done it, can you go and teach Google how? Chrome's support of that format is fucking woeful.

That's because it's not a format, it's a link to a web page (you can view the source of the page above, for example). gifv is just a made-up filename that tries to play a .webm video, then a .mp4, and falls back to a normal gif if it can't play either.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:50 ]
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Skills.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:53 ]
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So this (in theory) works for any kind of video, not just a gifv. You can throw an mp4 at it and off it'll go.

Mobile site updates will be along soon.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:55 ]
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Mobile site done!

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:56 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Mobile site done!

Skills. No scaling?

Author:  Cras [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:57 ]
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Works, but the splash screen image has a big 'play' icon that looks like it should be clickable and isn't.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:03 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Mobile site done!

Skills. No scaling?

Stupid phones. That should scale now.

Cras wrote:
Works, but the splash screen image has a big 'play' icon that looks like it should be clickable and isn't.

SIGH

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:03 ]
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Grim... wrote:
gifv is just a made-up filename that tries to play a .webm video, then a .mp4, and falls back to a normal gif if it can't play either.


In Chrome on my N9 it displays a still image with a play button icon superimposed that then does absolutely fuck all if you tap it. ETA: I mean in general when I try to play gifv's on Imgur, I haven't tried here on Beex or anything.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:04 ]
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Cras wrote:
Works, but the splash screen image has a big 'play' icon that looks like it should be clickable and isn't.

There you go.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:04 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
gifv is just a made-up filename that tries to play a .webm video, then a .mp4, and falls back to a normal gif if it can't play either.


In Chrome on my N9 it displays a still image with a play button icon superimposed that then does absolutely fuck all if you tap it.

What Craster said, I think. That should be fixed.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:06 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I mean in general when I try to play gifv's on Imgur, I haven't tried here on Beex or anything.

Oh, you might be out of luck, then. They do seem ropey as all fuck on a phone, but that could be because Imgur uses the massive gif file as a poster (the "still" image that's displayed before the video starts playing). Beex doesn't do that, so it might help.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:10 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Cras wrote:
Works, but the splash screen image has a big 'play' icon that looks like it should be clickable and isn't.

There you go.


Yay!

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:15 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Bamba wrote:
I mean in general when I try to play gifv's on Imgur, I haven't tried here on Beex or anything.

Oh, you might be out of luck, then. They do seem ropey as all fuck on a phone, but that could be because Imgur uses the massive gif file as a poster (the "still" image that's displayed before the video starts playing). Beex doesn't do that, so it might help.


They work fine both here on on Imgur itself on my phone but it was always my tablet that had the most trouble with them so I'll be curious to see if that has more success with your implementation. I did Google it a while back and it seems to be an issue for Chrome on certain devices which is a bit odd.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 21:20 ]
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can you make it so that I can attach pictures/stuff from the mobile skin? That'd be acebest occasionally useful.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 21:38 ]
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You can already do that.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 22:32 ]
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.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 23:39 ]
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Just tried the gifv thing out and it works fine embedded in the forum but not if I go direct to Imgur so well done, you've implemented their thing better than they ever managed. The fannies.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:12 ]
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In fairness, they can't help that I don't work for them.

Author:  myp [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:08 ]
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Grim... wrote:
In fairness, they can't help that I don't work for them.

Tacit admission that you work for us, there.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:09 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Grim... wrote:
In fairness, they can't help that I don't work for them.

Tacit admission that you work for us, there.

He's my bitch.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:15 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Grim... wrote:
In fairness, they can't help that I don't work for them.

Tacit admission that you work for us, there.

He's my bitch.

And I forgot the safe word.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:19 ]
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Cras wrote:
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what style is that? I use '5' and it has no options at all.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:21 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
Cras wrote:
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what style is that? I use '5' and it has no options at all.

5 has options for me.

But 19 appears to be default mobile skin for me.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:07 ]
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It does? It doesn't on a PC. I didn't even know people used 5.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:26 ]
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Style 5! The nostalgia!

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:25 ]
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5 is the best, apart from that issue. How can I change?

Author:  Cras [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:26 ]
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Change 5 to 19 in the URL. Or go to beef.co.uk/m

Author:  Cras [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:27 ]
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Lol beef.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:27 ]
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I guess it must be in your profile settings.

I can put the upload stuff into 5 (maybe), but it would be missing other stuff. Do spoilers work, for example?

Author:  myp [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:27 ]
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Cras wrote:
Lol beef.

14 sleeps until Beef Cottage!

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:30 ]
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Cras wrote:
Change 5 to 19 in the URL. Or go to beef.co.uk/m

yeah, but I don't want to do that every time.

Plus that skin be ugly!

I can access spoilers, but there is no option to make them - I just write '[spoiler]', etc if I want to use BB code, but the upload feature would be useful.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:32 ]
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I'll take a look.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:34 ]
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:) Thanks, but seriously, don't waste any real time on it!

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