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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 21:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
On another forum I use, some of the comments are pretty much unbelievable. Basically saying that all the victims are making it up for the money, despite him being convicted of some nasty shit. It's precisely that kind of attitude that puts people off making complaints. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 21:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
asfish wrote: Loads of people trying to flog Rolf Prints and drawings on EBay Buyer's market! Dr Zoidberg wrote: On another forum I use, some of the comments are pretty much unbelievable. Basically saying that all the victims are making it up for the money, despite him being convicted of some nasty shit. It's precisely that kind of attitude that puts people off making complaints. There's got to be some of that going on in this Yewtree thing though, right? I mean, surely that many people wouldn't have kept quiet for so long? |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 21:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Grim... wrote: asfish wrote: Loads of people trying to flog Rolf Prints and drawings on EBay Buyer's market! Dr Zoidberg wrote: On another forum I use, some of the comments are pretty much unbelievable. Basically saying that all the victims are making it up for the money, despite him being convicted of some nasty shit. It's precisely that kind of attitude that puts people off making complaints. There's got to be some of that going on in this Yewtree thing though, right? I mean, surely that many people wouldn't have kept quiet for so long? I think that sadly it is inevitable that some people will exploit the awful things that some people have endured as a chance to get some compensation, but I think the evidence in t'is case, with the letter and so forth, makes this difficult to see how anyone could think that all the victims are lying. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 21:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Grim... wrote: asfish wrote: Loads of people trying to flog Rolf Prints and drawings on EBay Buyer's market! Dr Zoidberg wrote: On another forum I use, some of the comments are pretty much unbelievable. Basically saying that all the victims are making it up for the money, despite him being convicted of some nasty shit. It's precisely that kind of attitude that puts people off making complaints. There's got to be some of that going on in this Yewtree thing though, right? I mean, surely that many people wouldn't have kept quiet for so long? Oh yeah, I'm sure there might be some trying it on, but being cross examined in court isn't going to be pleasant or easy to persuade people that a fake assault happened. Quite often the case hinges on victims with no connection all describing similar events. Just dismissing everyone as a fraud with absolutely no ideas of what they have or haven't experienced is pretty shitty behaviour. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
If there is to be compensation then it should be equal There are thousands of people abused by perverts who don't have multimillion pound estates who get either nothing or some sort of government pay out maybe? His wife and daughter appeared to be aware of his affairs with women of legal age (as well as the one he lied about with his daughters best friend) but not that he was abusing kids. So I don't think its fair that they should have their estate wiped out, more so as a good part of the cost will be on lawyers. Also legally maybe 50% of his estate would belong to his wife, so if she has any brains she will divorce him. Back on the topic of his "Child safety" film that has been pulled from Youtube saying that the Guardian paper has copyright, when I watched it yesterday it was copyrighted to Rolf Harris. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Registering a complaint that you'd been abused by Rolf Harris feels a little shakier than if you'd made that complaint during the trial, or after he'd been found not guilty. Each of those circumstances seem a little less potentially opportunistic, maybe. Similarly whilst I don't doubt that Saville abused a lot of people, I also suspect that a lot of people who claim that they were abused weren't. With Saville the estate is there, the compensation pot from the BBC is there, but the court case isn't. I would however be very surprised if we don't see some cases brought in respect of false claims there. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 13:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
5 years and 9 months for Rolf. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 13:27 ] |
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TheVision wrote: 5 years and 9 months for Rolf. A smidge on the short side, but probably takes into account he won't live long enough to see it through anyway. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 13:29 ] |
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American Nervoso wrote: TheVision wrote: 5 years and 9 months for Rolf. A smidge on the short side, but probably takes into account he won't live long enough to see it through anyway. An elderly man was sentenced for a similar charge earlier in the day and got four years. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 13:33 ] |
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They also have to follow guidelines of when the offence was done. So by 1970s standards. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 17:11 ] |
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American Nervoso wrote: TheVision wrote: 5 years and 9 months for Rolf. A smidge on the short side, but probably takes into account he won't live long enough to see it through anyway. This is quite steep considering his age, but his deserves jail. I was thinking 4 years, around half of what Max Clifford got, the judge gave him Consecutive sentences, largely due to his arrogance. Think Clifford will get a reduction at appeal (sadly) |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 18:35 ] |
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asfish wrote: Think Clifford will get a reduction at appeal (sadly) According to some of the reports I read, Clifford can't afford to be "reduced" any more. If you smell what I'm cooking? Yeah, I'm alluding to him having a very small penis. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 22:39 ] |
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TheVision wrote: If you smell what I'm cooking? Attachment: The Rock 2013.jpg
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| Author: | asfish [ Sat Jul 05, 2014 19:39 ] |
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So next up its Leon Briton and the "Dossier" of alleged establishment pedo’s that conveniently went missing 30 odd years ago when he was Home Secretary I’m willing to wager Saville shows up in this if it’s ever found, which hopefully it will be. By all accounts Leon's memory is not what is used to be bless him. Maybe some time will Rolf and Max Clifford will help jog it |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:12 ] |
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Grim... wrote: The Internet thinks it's Cliff Richard. Surely not? Called it! Sort of. |
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| Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Our longstanding celebrities are either killing themselves or turning out to be paedos. It must be very difficult for those that emotionally invest in such things. They'll replay the footage of Cliff singing to the crowd on a rainy Wimbledon day, and remark how you could tell he was filth even back then. Amusing the BBC's original article covering Saville's death popped up in Most Read this week. It made for quite amusing reading of the initial reactions where everyone said he was an ace, lovely person who would be sorely missed, with similar statements from the Royals et al. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:30 ] |
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Pretty shameful really because by all accounts his true nature was an open secret in showbiz circles. There's a lot of culpability there I feel. Fair enough you might have nothing to go to the police with but you don't have to keep on giving the cunt kids shows to host, or any shows at all. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28790718 Cliff is having his Berkshire house searched today, its in connection with an allegation from the 1980's in South Yorkshire so maybe the time and date is wrong on the Police sat navs |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
If he turns out to have been a wrong 'un then my Dad and Stepmother are gonna freak; they love him and have been to his house in Barbados. EDIT - As guests, not like a pilgrimage or anything |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 13:56 ] |
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He came round for tea when I was a kid and lived next to Sue Barker, as they dated for a bit apparently... Sue also dated Daley Thompson, and he came round for tea too. We're trying to find the pictures of Mrs T when she met Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris as a kid, to start our own little Yewtree gallery on facebook... |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 21:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Watching an episode of 'Drop the Dead Donkey' on 4od. It has a subplot involving 'Jim'll Fix It'. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 21:33 ] |
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There's a 'pure as Cliff Richard ' joke in it too. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 21:42 ] |
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Same episode ends with the usual topical voiceover as the credits roll. It's a few gags about John Major suing over reports he had an affair. Yeah, those were innocent times. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Its been a very sloppy process, Cliff has said that he feels its out of order that he found out the Police were raiding his UK house via the News and wasn't told formally. It begs the question who did they serve the search warrant on? With Rolf Harris he clearly had notice as for some time he used Super injunctions or similar to try and keep his name out of the press. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
asfish wrote: Its been a very sloppy process, Cliff has said that he feels its out of order that he found out the Police were raiding his UK house via the News and wasn't told formally. It begs the question who did they serve the search warrant on? Cliff obviously doesn't understand how the Police work - the whole point of searching a property is to find evidence, and if they ring him up and let him know in advance that might compromise things a bit. They'll have shown the warrant to anyone present at the property at the time, but they most definitely aren't required to track down the owner first, and if there's nobody there then they can just put the door through and have a look round. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:08 ] |
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asfish wrote: Its been a very sloppy process, Cliff has said that he feels its out of order that he found out the Police were raiding his UK house via the News and wasn't told formally. It begs the question who did they serve the search warrant on? With Rolf Harris he clearly had notice as for some time he used Super injunctions or similar to try and keep his name out of the press. I think he was a bit miffed that the BBC happened to be there when the Rozzers rolled up. There's some guidelines on this now, as previously, the fuzz would call hacks up before a raid to get them to come along and view their heroics before they sat together in a room and got all their stories straight for the official record. This went on until someone whose name now escapes me was double miffed when the police raided his house and the Sun had jounalists inside. But as the police have guidelines now they have another sheet of paper to ignore. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 19:26 ] |
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Yeah, it's not on to invite the press along for a laugh. No doubt there were a few favours or envelopes full of money being passed on. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 22:18 ] |
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I think it might be the only way that they feel they an publicise it to draw other potential information out. They weren't going to arrest him based on what they had but the rumours were rife. Which seems to have happened, to some extent. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 22:30 ] |
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If the offence took place thirty years ago, what the fuck were they looking for? |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 22:31 ] |
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Grim... wrote: If the offence took place thirty years ago, what the fuck were they looking for? A 35 year old? |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 23:31 ] |
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Grim... wrote: If the offence took place thirty years ago, what the fuck were they looking for? This is what I said to the wife (sans swearing) but where else are they going to look? |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 23:38 ] |
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Just checking, have we done the criminal record joke yet? |
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| Author: | asfish [ Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:44 ] |
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Grim... wrote: If the offence took place thirty years ago, what the fuck were they looking for? A Betamax video tape of evidence, sure they search his C64 for data as well |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:25 ] |
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I've heard he's been under surveillance for a while. His house is wired for sound |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:58 ] |
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DLT gets a three month suspended sentence. Or "fuck all". |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 15:22 ] |
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I was surprised at the suspended sentence, whilst he didn't have as many allegations as Rolf Harris and Max Clifford ( that he was found guilty of) I would have thought he would have done some time for this. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 19:54 ] |
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What did he actually do, though? |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 20:07 ] |
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Didn't he grope someone? I've not heard him do anything more than that. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 20:11 ] |
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Quote: Earlier, the court heard a victim statement in which the woman said she was “a naive and trusting 22-year-old” when she was subjected to “an unprovoked and terrifying assault”. Quote: He described the assault, saying Travis had approached the woman, who was in her first job after university, while she was having a cigarette. He said Travis had told her to consider her lungs, while sliding his hands up her chest on onto her breasts, which he squeezed. Leonard told Travis: “When you gave evidence you described what she was alleging took place was a nasty thing to do. You were right in your assumption, but it was more than that, it was an unpleasant and intentional sexual assault. EDIT for further quote. Quote: Stephen Vullo QC, defending Travis, said the two trials had already cost his client £350,000, and he and his wife had been forced to sell their family home. They had moved into a smaller house bought with her proceeds from the sale, and Travis had not been able to work for the past two years “for obvious reasons”.
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| Author: | asfish [ Tue Sep 30, 2014 21:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
Up next is DJ Fox http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29431833 |
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| Author: | asfish [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 19:46 ] |
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Glitter found guilty on a load of charges, one of which carries a maximum of life Hopefully he will get it 3 weeks time when he is sentenced |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 16:52 ] |
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16 years for Glitter |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 18:38 ] |
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Kern wrote: 16 years for Glitter Judges hands were somewhat tied by the fact he had to use sentence guidelines from the time the offences happened, they were not as severe in the 70's as today. Although why the rape of a child would not always carry life is beyond me. Still hopefully a good 8 years before he is even considered for parole |
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| Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:47 ] |
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This BBC Link was being shared on Facebook yesterday. There is to be a radio programme this evening, I'm hoping to remember to tune in. I believe there was something in The Times yesterday too, but didn't get chance to pick one up. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:15 ] |
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Goddess Jasmine wrote: This BBC Link was being shared on Facebook yesterday. There is to be a radio programme this evening, I'm hoping to remember to tune in. I believe there was something in The Times yesterday too, but didn't get chance to pick one up. Are you in it? |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 14:18 ] |
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Goddess Jasmine wrote: This BBC Link was being shared on Facebook yesterday. There is to be a radio programme this evening, I'm hoping to remember to tune in. I believe there was something in The Times yesterday too, but didn't get chance to pick one up. I read the post you linked to on Facebook yesterday - is that the prison that you work in? |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 14:27 ] |
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Mimi wrote: Goddess Jasmine wrote: This BBC Link was being shared on Facebook yesterday. There is to be a radio programme this evening, I'm hoping to remember to tune in. I believe there was something in The Times yesterday too, but didn't get chance to pick one up. I read the post you linked to on Facebook yesterday - is that the prison that you work in? Yep, hence my question. |
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| Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 18:05 ] |
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Future Warrior wrote: Goddess Jasmine wrote: This BBC Link was being shared on Facebook yesterday. There is to be a radio programme this evening, I'm hoping to remember to tune in. I believe there was something in The Times yesterday too, but didn't get chance to pick one up. Are you in it? Nope, I did plan to actively avoid them while they were here (as queen of saying something stupid). But I was so busy when they were here, I only saw them briefly as I passed. Mimi: Yes; that is where I work. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 18:12 ] |
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Ah, I did wonder that when I read it yesterday, but I wasn't aware that where you worked particularly catered for the detainment of prisoners who had committed a particular type of crime (though I know that you often worked with prisoners who had committed sexual assaults within the prison system). Some of the things in that article had chimed with what a past friend had told me of her work - she is (or at least was) a solicitor who works with people charged with sexual assaults on adults and minors. I remember her saying at times she felt sorry for the person though actually despising what they'd done as it seemed part of their make-up and nature, whether by nurture or some other means, that many of them hated and despised but did not have the will power to deny, so would hate themselves for being that way but couldn't re-programme their brains to stop finding certain images/activities sexually appealing. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 22:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Saville Dead! |
The Louis Theroux documentary that was just on was compelling viewing, especially watching Louis grapple with his earlier work. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
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