Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Finally, a sequel to Counter-Strike Source, which is looking a little tired by today's standards. Wahoo!

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Just today news from the VALVe office has emerged as our own Craig "Torbull" Levine has taken the trip down to supposedly "help develop" the new version of Counter-Strike. Counter-Strike:Global Offensive (CS:GO). Is this VALVe reaching out to the community, recognizing the competitive community?

News first arrived about the new version on the ESEA.net Facebook Page, saying:

"Counter Strike: Global Operation... More info tomorrow!"

Jess Cliffe, one of the original creators of Counter-Strike, was seen posting on the SteamPowered forums, saying "Global Offensive."

Rumors:
Planned to be released Q1 2012
Focuses on 5v5 competition
Press release within 24 hours from VALVe
Plays on an updated source engine
Individual & Team rankings
New Guns added
New Grenades
Dust & Aztec major revamp
Spamming still viable
Ammo is free

http://eseanews.com/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=9967

Thread on reddit from a guy claiming to have "helped Valve design it" for a day: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/j ... dquarters/

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/12/count ... n-twitter/

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

Since CS:S was the testbed to the Source Engine, could the new CS be a preview of what awaits us in HL3?

Edit: That reminds me, I must find time to play through Episodes 1 & 2 of HL2.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

DavPaz wrote:

Since CS:S was the testbed to the Source Engine, could the new CS be a preview of what awaits us in HL3?

Interesting theory! It is running on an "updated version of the Source Engine", so you never know.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Hmm. Reading that reddit thread, it seems like another incremental upgrade with tweaks to the current maps, a few new weapons, etc. Maybe we're getting a "definitive competitive" version of CS:Source with better graphics. Bit like Quake Live. Maybe a Free to Play model? Could be interesting.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

DavPaz wrote:

what awaits us in HL3?

Haven't Value stated that the episodic installments post-HL2 should be considered HL3 by any other name?

Certainly, if the development time on Ep3 is anything to go by it should be a massive motherhumping game by now.

andyb · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 489

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Ammo is free

Which makes you wonder what you'll have to pay for...

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

andyb wrote:

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Ammo is free

Which makes you wonder what you'll have to pay for...

It's referring to in-game currency! Have you ever played CS? You get money to buy weapons and equipment after every round, dependent on performance in that round.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

This is completely pointless. What's it going to add? Counter-strike is already global and offensive.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

sinister agent wrote:

This is completely pointless. What's it going to add? Counter-strike is already global and offensive.

CS: Source is old!

andyb · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 489

WTB wrote:

It's referring to in-game currency! Have you ever played CS? You get money to buy weapons and equipment after every round, dependent on performance in that round.

I have played CS, and realise that there's an in-game currency, but it seems an odd thing to mention.

What with hats in team fortress and whatever it is they want you to waste your money on in portal, I'm worried they might start charging real money for in game items. If they do, hopefully it'll be purely cosmetic like TF2 and portal.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

andyb wrote:

WTB wrote:

It's referring to in-game currency! Have you ever played CS? You get money to buy weapons and equipment after every round, dependent on performance in that round.

I have played CS, and realise that there's an in-game currency, but it seems an odd thing to mention.

What with hats in team fortress and whatever it is they want you to waste your money on in portal, I'm worried they might start charging real money for in game items. If they do, hopefully it'll be purely cosmetic like TF2 and portal.

Na, it's mentioned because there has been a lot of talk in the community about ammo costing in-game moneys and whether or not it's a good idea.

andyb · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 489

ah, fair enough then

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Some trailers and gameplay footage. Quite excited about this now. Apparently it'll also appear on Live and PSN, and Valve are pushing MS to allow Steamworks jazz so they can update it properly and keep it as fresh as the PC version, unlike the unfortunate case of TF2. I'll definitely be getting this for the PC, but I'll be interested to see just how possible it'll be to play well on a joypad. Especially as cross-platform play is also in there...

Any way, the videos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQQgVhCvosw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN93xXfews4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5D2N6pKKg

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:10

WTB wrote:

I'll be interested to see just hor possible it'll be to play well on a joypad.

In before trolling commences!

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Counter-Strike is a bit different to other console FPSes. For a start there's no "aim down sights", and it wasn't specifically designed for consoles like Halo was. I'm perfectly happy using a controller for any FPS, but CS might be pushing it. Especially if there's cross-platform play.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:47

WTB wrote:

Counter-Strike is a bit different to other console FPSes. For a start there's no "aim down sights", and it wasn't specifically designed for consoles like Halo was. I'm perfectly happy using a controller for any FPS, but CS might be pushing it. Especially if there's cross-platform play.

CS 1.6 played ok on the original Xbox. :shrug:

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

myoptikakaka wrote:

WTB wrote:

Counter-Strike is a bit different to other console FPSes. For a start there's no "aim down sights", and it wasn't specifically designed for consoles like Halo was. I'm perfectly happy using a controller for any FPS, but CS might be pushing it. Especially if there's cross-platform play.

CS 1.6 played ok on the original Xbox. :shrug:

That wasn't even CS 1.6. It was a specific console game. I'll nip this in the bud now, any way. We'll find out when it comes out, innit. I do hope it plays well on the consoles though. I'd love Xbox Live Counter-Strike fun with chums.

edit: In fact, Counter-Strike Xbox came out before 1.6, so shut up! If anything it was based on 1.5.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:53

Was just trying to differentiate CS from CS:S - I wasn't sure exactly what version it was. You pedantic mongoloid.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:54

Their arms look freaky.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

CS is the original Half-Life mod. CS:S is a remake of that mod in the Source engine. And it's nowhere near as good. The gameplay isn't quite as tight and the characters feel all floaty. The gunplay was all messed up as well. Recoil is really weird and it's considered a little too "spray and pray". But it was pretty. When it came out. I still played it a lot, but nothing near the number of hours I put into the original.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:56

WTB wrote:

CS is the original Half-Life mod. CS:S is a remake of that mod in the Source engine. And it's nowhere near as good. But it was pretty. When it came out.

I know all that. :facepalm:

I just used the '1.6' suffix to make sure you knew I was talking about the original CS.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

myoptikakaka wrote:

WTB wrote:

CS is the original Half-Life mod. CS:S is a remake of that mod in the Source engine. And it's nowhere near as good. But it was pretty. When it came out.

I know all that. :facepalm:

I just used the '1.6' suffix to make sure you knew I was talking about the original CS.

Ah shut up, myp!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 13:57

No, you shut up!

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

But regardless, Counter-Strike Xbox was a totally new game from the ground up, specifically designed for the Xbox, but based on the original mod, rather than a "port". My worry is that because CS:GO is essentially the same game on all three platforms (it'd have to be to allow cross-platform play), that it won't be optimised properly for joypads and the PC spods will have a significant advantage. Having said that, TF2 played reasonably well on the 360, so yeah, we'll see how it goes!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 14:04

Did their arms look freaky on the Xbox version?

nickachu · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 14:08

Im sure that people used to controller play will be at no disadvantage. They'll be used to it so can compensate for the PC players slightly better speed. Looks good anyway. Will it be a 50quid release for júst a MP game or a cheaper download only thingy?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

XBLA, prolly 1200 points or something!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 14:13

nickachu wrote:

Im sure that people used to controller play will be at no disadvantage. They'll be used to it so can compensate for the PC players slightly better speed.

They can get hours of practice in while the PC spods fanny about with drivers and patches.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 14:15

WTB wrote:

I'll nip this in the bud now, any way.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Shut up, myp!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 14:21

No, you shut up!

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Cross-platform play?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

I am so there, it's going to be fucking hilarious. They might have been able to spack up some FPS games to be playable on a pad (auto-aim and hitboxes the size of barn doors lol), I refuse to believe it can be done with Counter Strike.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Sigh. You don't need auto-aim to play on a console. You just need to learn how to use a controller without throwing it out of your pram.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 18:37

sinister agent wrote:

Sigh. You don't need auto-aim to play on a console. You just need to learn how to use a controller without throwing it out of your pram.

Even I'm bored with this 'debate' and I'm as stubborn as a mule.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

sinister agent wrote:

Sigh. You don't need auto-aim to play on a console. You just need to learn how to use a controller without throwing it out of your pram.

Well the argument will soon be settled I suppose

Looks like it's PC/Mac/PS3 - no 360 though.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Yeah I don't know where the auto-aim bullshit comes from. What was the last game to use auto-aim? Single player CoD has the snap-to aim thing, but that's all I can think of.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Aim-assist is probably more accurate.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

*kills self*

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

WTB wrote:

*kills self*

As I understand it MW2 features an aim-assist in multi-player on the consoles.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

If that's the case it doesn't work very well. For me, at least.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Craster wrote:

If that's the case it doesn't work very well. For me, at least.

Initial Googling suggests that it's relatively subtle (not the 'snap to' auto-aim that WTB was referring to), and in some situations in can mess up a kill, but that overall it's a help.

Please note I'm not stating this as fact, I just remember reading somewhere that a lot of console FPS games feature an 'invisible' aim-assist and large hitboxes. (The large hitboxes I certainly noticed when I played MW2 on the 360.)

I shall Google some more.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 19:05

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

I shall Google some more.

Please don't. Your reliance on third-hand information is legendary. :kiss:

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

As this is indeed a conversation we've had a couple of times before, I cheerfully withdraw my objection, and instead say something about counter strike being great apart from all the counter strike players.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

myoptikakaka wrote:

Please don't. Your reliance on third-hand information is legendary. :kiss:

Well allow me to meet your expectations.

In the absence of first-party information (there's nothing out there from IW or Treyarch about this that I can find), I'm gonna have to go with lots of anecdotes which as DocG is so fond of saying, do not represent data - but they're about all we have.

As such, yes MW2 (and other games in the CoD series) feature aim-assist on the consoles. (Not decided on the Battlefield games yet, still looking into that, but they're far less run-and-gun so probably wouldn't need it as much.)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/951944-c ... 2/52269532

http://boards.ign.com/call_of_duty/b6860/186007809/p1/

http://msafi.com/709/improve-your-aim-a ... are-2-mw2/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 852AA2O7nx

http://www.xbox360forum.com/xbox-forum/ ... ultiplayer

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

My comment wasn't doubt, it was just a comment on the fact that I'm shit at FPS games :0)

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Craster wrote:

My comment wasn't doubt, it was just a comment on the fact that I'm shit at FPS games :0)

I know, I was just trying to make myp happy

My point stands, if they don't give the console players any kind of assists, the PC players are going to pwn them more than this cat just got pwned:

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Has anyone managed to get into to beta for this yet? I want a key.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

WTB wrote:

Has anyone managed to get into to beta for this yet? I want a key.

It's a Valve game innit, we'll just have to wait until it's ready.

Not really too interested in the beta TBH, I prefer to spend my time playing games that are finished! (Although in the case of Bethedesa, the general approach appears to be to sell the beta for lots of money and then incrementally fix it over the next 12 months.)

Mind you, I have to wonder if Counter Strike is really going to feel relevant in this day and age, I realise it's always been a 'purer' experience than the Battlefield games, but BF3 has lifted the bar to an insane degree IMO, not sure that 'Counter Strike Again' will cut the mustard.....

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Of course it'll be relevant! I wish people would stop talking about BF3 in the same breath as every other FPS, because it's a completely different game to most of them!

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

The campaign ain't.

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