Game Of Thrones (TV)

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jun 05, 2014 14:04

Oh well. Close.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

It was his sled.

sdg · **Posted:** Thu Jun 05, 2014 21:18

I agree with bamba. I don't read this thread til I'm caught up with the latest episode but spoiler tags still make me nervous because people who have read the books comment here in sipper tags.
So bambas rule would mean spoiler tags are safe if you're up to date with tv but not of you've not read the books. I also agree about it being annoying typing in spoiler tags via mobile. I also agree about bums being nice.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Jun 05, 2014 22:25

I agree with SDG, as usual.

Just caught up. Was hoping the last page would be more about the show than spoiler tags.

So, about the show...

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NOOOOOO!

I hate it when my favourite characters die because they're being fucking idiots, and even moreso when it is out of character for them! Gah!

Cracking finish though.

I wonder how this is mapping to the books at the moment, as I'm sure there was at least one massive thing that's missing, but I could be wrong; I read the first few when they came out and haven't returned to them since.

Anyway, as upset as I am to have Inigo Montoya die, at least there are still some awesome people left.

My current favourite is definitely Ramsay Bolton. Yer man has been doing a fantastic job of portraying a complete nutter. So different from when he was in Misfits as the quiet nerdy one!

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 05, 2014 22:27

Ramsey Bolton has been nothing short of terrifyingly excellent. Superb.

sdg · **Posted:** Thu Jun 05, 2014 22:57

Curiosity wrote:

I agree with SDG, as usual

I am very wise.

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

a)GRIMM: Make the spoiler's take a title, so we can tag it with the episode etc? (Though I won't be posting anything to do with the BOOKS in this thread, now there's a new thread for it. Even for people that keep complaining about book spoilers and then say "I wonder how this matches the books?")

Curiosity wrote:

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I hate it when my favourite characters die because they're being fucking idiots, and even moreso when it is out of character for them! Gah!

spoiler s04e08

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How was it out of character for Inigo Montoya to die? He wanted a confession out of the Mountain and an implication of Twyin. It's all he ever goes on about. Given how close he was to getting one, I see it as being very 'in character' for him to be reckless at the end.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Pod wrote:

Make the spoiler's take a title, so we can tag it with the episode etc?

I'm absolutely not doing this, it's just taking the whole thing too far.

Pod wrote:

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How was it out of character for Inigo Montoya to die? He wanted a confession out of the Mountain and an implication of Twyin. It's all he ever goes on about. Given how close he was to getting one, I see it as being very 'in character' for him to be reckless at the end.

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Yeah, I agree; he was always a very confident character and the idea he'd get cocky and reckless in the heat of the moment isn't at all difficult to believe. Especially as the injuries he'd given the mountain would be enough to do most people in. Indeed that was the only dodgy thing in the scene I thought, the Mountain looked pretty much done in (and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to play possum when he could be up swinging) so to go from death's door to roaring strangler in a heartbeat didn't entirely fit for me.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:23

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To me, he seemed very intelligent and very quick. He was able to manipulate things well and always be one step ahead of people.
He comprehensively nails the guy, and wants to extract the confession, but he also turns his back and doesn't make sure that The Mountain is down. If he knows anything about this guy (and he seems to know a LOT about him) then you'd expect him to be wary.
Then he gets tripped, and whilst I acknowledge that this is likely more choreography of the scene rather than intended content, he seemed to lie there in shock for a second, allowing the other guy to get on him and beat him up. His 'ready for anything', agile, whirling dervish of a character looked clumsy, slow, and not that good in a fight.
I imagine there were a lot of people yelling at the screen, "No! Finish him! Stop turning away from him! He's going to kill you!". It's like a traditional bad guy doing a monologue and then walking off while the good guy escapes.

I appreciate that this is mainly due to me liking the character and wanting him to have won, rather than losing in spectacularly humiliating fashion.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

My assumption on how this pans out:

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The viper dude is dead, indeed, but may well have struck the fatal blow to the mountain. Therefore, the mountain dies.

There may be some rule of the Trial that governs the guilt or innocence is determined when the respective champion strikes the killing blow. Clearly, the mountain had his killing blow struck first, and yet also managed to kill the Viper with his deathrattle.

But technically, Tyrion lives because his champion succeedied in landing the first killing blow. Sentencing him to death may well have been procedural exuberance on the part of his daddio. I don't quite see how else he gets out of this without substantial, unforeseeable direct intervention otherwise.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:

My assumption on how this pans out:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

The viper dude is dead, indeed, but may well have struck the fatal blow to the mountain. Therefore, the mountain dies.

There may be some rule of the Trial that governs the guilt or innocence is determined when the respective champion strikes the killing blow. Clearly, the mountain had his killing blow struck first, and yet also managed to kill the Viper with his deathrattle.

But technically, Tyrion lives because his champion succeedied in landing the first killing blow. Sentencing him to death may well have been procedural exuberance on the part of his daddio. I don't quite see how else he gets out of this without substantial, unforeseeable direct intervention otherwise.

Yeah, I'd assumed something along these lines as well. Obviously, it being Game of Thrones, they could just go ahead

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and actually execute him

but that doesn't seem likely.

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 13:08

ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:

My assumption on how this pans out:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

The viper dude is dead, indeed, but may well have struck the fatal blow to the mountain. Therefore, the mountain dies.

There may be some rule of the Trial that governs the guilt or innocence is determined when the respective champion strikes the killing blow. Clearly, the mountain had his killing blow struck first, and yet also managed to kill the Viper with his deathrattle.

But technically, Tyrion lives because his champion succeeding in landing the first killing blow. Sentencing him to death may well have been procedural exuberance on the part of his daddio. I don't quite see how else he gets out of this without substantial, unforeseeable direct intervention otherwise.

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I was thinking the same thing, The mountain looked dead after his gruesome attack, now, he could have just passed out, but it's not like they have an A+E department in Westeros!

If both die, there might be a need for a rematch, or like EBG said, as Oberon struck first, that might count, or as he died first, that part might count. I really don't know, and am looking forward to seeing what happens next.

Malc

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

s03e08 spoiler.

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RE: Wwhy The Viper doesn't fight back after being knocked down.

I've rewatched the tripping moment a few times and there's a bit of a continuity error. The Mountain trips him with his right hand, leaving the hand drawn right across his body. The camera cuts immediately to a shot of Martell being lifted by his face by The Mountain's right hand.

I suspect there was another moment in there that explains how he managed to get his right hand back across to Martell's face without any running away happening, but it was edited out to increase the speed of the shock moment.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

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Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 14:47

Bamba wrote:

Yeah, I'd assumed something along these lines as well. Obviously, it being Game of Thrones, they could just go ahead

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

and actually execute him

but that doesn't seem likely.

I reckon it's pretty much a certainty.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 15:02

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

DavPaz wrote:

s03e08 spoiler.

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RE: Wwhy The Viper doesn't fight back after being knocked down.

I've rewatched the tripping moment a few times and there's a bit of a continuity error. The Mountain trips him with his right hand, leaving the hand drawn right across his body. The camera cuts immediately to a shot of Martell being lifted by his face by The Mountain's right hand.

I suspect there was another moment in there that explains how he managed to get his right hand back across to Martell's face without any running away happening, but it was edited out to increase the speed of the shock moment.

a) WRONG SEASON.
b) Probs.

RuySan · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3542

Oberyn Martell was so awesome that i'm going to support Chile in this world cup.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 19:41

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Yeah, I'd assumed something along these lines as well. Obviously, it being Game of Thrones, they could just go ahead

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

and actually execute him

but that doesn't seem likely.

I reckon it's pretty much a certainty.

I reckon that:

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He'll go back to his cell to await execution and then Varys will sneak him out of the city. Varys said he owed him, and had not forgotten.

Would be genuinely surprised if Tyrion died (though I thought Oberyn was going to last a lot longer). Tyrion just seems like one of the ones who Martin likes (others being Bran, Jon Snow, Arya, Jaime, Dany).

Grim... · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 21:25

I bet you a round of shots next time we're out.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 21:28

Grim... wrote:

I bet you a round of shots next time we're out.

Deal.

What if neither of those things happen? A draw?

Grim... · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 21:39

Well, I was dialling it back to the simplest terms.

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Live or die

End of the series as an end point?

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 22:12

Grim... wrote:

Well, I was dialling it back to the simplest terms.

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Live or die

End of the series as an end point?

Deal.

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I wouldn't put it past them to re-write the story if he does die in the books; he's surely the most popular character!

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

ep 9 spoiler, don't read it yet folks.

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It was good, don't get me wrong, but strangely the attack from beyond the wall is the least interesting thing going on at the moment, I wanted to know more about everything else!

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:24

Trooper wrote:

ep 9 spoiler, don't read it yet folks.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

It was good, don't get me wrong, but strangely the attack from beyond the wall is the least interesting thing going on at the moment, I wanted to know more about everything else!

What if I've seen episode 9?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Hey, if you wanna take that risk, by all means.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

I agree with Trooper.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Trooper wrote:

ep 9 spoiler, don't read it yet folks.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

It was good, don't get me wrong, but strangely the attack from beyond the wall is the least interesting thing going on at the moment, I wanted to know more about everything else!

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

You're just like those in King's Landing, ignoring the threat from the North. It'll come back to bite you on your arse, Southron!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Someone reminded me of this on another forum: am I going totally mad or has Littlefinger suddenly acquired a pronounced Irish accent this season that he didn't have previously? It's all I can hear now whenever he's in a scene but it seems like such an odd idea that the actor would suddenly start using a different accent that I'd assumed I was making it up. I realise Aidan Gillen is Irish but he's never played the character with a noticeable Irish accent before has he?

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 20:40

Bamba wrote:

Someone reminded me of this on another forum: am I going totally mad or has Littlefinger suddenly acquired a pronounced Irish accent this season that he didn't have previously? It's all I can hear now whenever he's in a scene but it seems like such an odd idea that the actor would suddenly start using a different accent that I'd assumed I was making it up. I realise Aidan Gillen is Irish but he's never played the character with a noticeable Irish accent before has he?

His accent (in this, not in anything else) is notorious for going all over the bloody place!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Curiosity wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Someone reminded me of this on another forum: am I going totally mad or has Littlefinger suddenly acquired a pronounced Irish accent this season that he didn't have previously? It's all I can hear now whenever he's in a scene but it seems like such an odd idea that the actor would suddenly start using a different accent that I'd assumed I was making it up. I realise Aidan Gillen is Irish but he's never played the character with a noticeable Irish accent before has he?

His accent (in this, not in anything else) is notorious for going all over the bloody place!

I'd never noticed it until the latter half of this season. I'm glad I'm not making it up but he really needs to pack it in because it's as distracting as all fuck.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

I've not read the books but apparently the character has a different accent when he's in Kings Landing and that this is explained in the book. I can only speculate that they had a scene where it was explained but left it out.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 21:54

His father was Bravosi. And I think varys mentioned it as well and petr explained it was mostly put on to suit.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 21:55

DavPaz wrote:

Trooper wrote:

ep 9 spoiler, don't read it yet folks.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

It was good, don't get me wrong, but strangely the attack from beyond the wall is the least interesting thing going on at the moment, I wanted to know more about everything else!

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

You're just like those in King's Landing, ignoring the threat from the North. It'll come back to bite you on your arse, Southron!

It wasn't a terribly good episode at all.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:34

That it was. Compared to the past couple it couldn't really compete, but it was still damned good.

Morte · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:15

There really is no pleasing some people.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

It was a departure from the norm, sure. But as a standalone, it was pretty entertaining

Ange · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:30

I loved last night's episode. My friend pointed out one massive sweeping camera angle midway through the episode which, from a filming perspective, was absolute genius. So much action going on in every part of the shot.

It had a bit of a Lord of the Rings feel to it.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

Yeah, the big swoopy shot with all the stuff going down was cool.

Also:

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Anvil to face! Hammer to face! Mammoth on fire! Giant Scythe thingy! :metul:

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:18

DavPaz wrote:

It was a departure from the norm, sure. But as a standalone, it was pretty entertaining

I thought it was overly long. I'm not really invested enough in anyone that was rpesent with the exception of Jon Snow, Sam and Ygritte,* and even then it isn't a great deal. It wasn't as good as the LotR battles, which it'll be compared to (and has already here), nor was it very clear.

The problem is that many of the shots were too busy and it wasn't clear who was who, so the viewer had to wait until everything had finished before getting any kind of resolutino to it. "Ah ha!" you're saying, "that's to show the confusion of the situation" but not for a long hour. It might seem clever to a 19 year old media studies student but not to the audience. Thankfully there's wasn't any moment of "Press A to slide down the bannister on a shield" moment, but I can't help but feel it could have been done in a much tighter fashion. I dunno, by havinga messenger run half way thorugh and report back to someone and show it all in flashback or whatever. Or get a abrd to tell the tale. Some bits were superb, but the remainig time wasn't well used.

*Jon and Sam's friendship is superbly written, and really, really well done. However, at times, I think it gets really sloppy when they revert to "Sam is a fat coward" and "Jon Snow looks a bit melancoly".

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:00

sdg wrote:

I agree with bamba. I don't read this thread til I'm caught up with the latest episode but spoiler tags still make me nervous because people who have read the books comment here in sipper tags.
So bambas rule would mean spoiler tags are safe if you're up to date with tv but not of you've not read the books. I also agree about it being annoying typing in spoiler tags via mobile. I also agree about bums being nice.

Sorry for being slow:

Are we ONLY spoilering the book bits?
We can talk about the last episode the day after it was broadcast?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

MaliA wrote:

sdg wrote:

I agree with bamba. I don't read this thread til I'm caught up with the latest episode but spoiler tags still make me nervous because people who have read the books comment here in sipper tags.
So bambas rule would mean spoiler tags are safe if you're up to date with tv but not of you've not read the books. I also agree about it being annoying typing in spoiler tags via mobile. I also agree about bums being nice.

Sorry for being slow:

Are we ONLY spoilering the book bits?
We can talk about the last episode the day after it was broadcast?

Seems logical to me.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:04

Trooper wrote:

MaliA wrote:

sdg wrote:

I agree with bamba. I don't read this thread til I'm caught up with the latest episode but spoiler tags still make me nervous because people who have read the books comment here in sipper tags.
So bambas rule would mean spoiler tags are safe if you're up to date with tv but not of you've not read the books. I also agree about it being annoying typing in spoiler tags via mobile. I also agree about bums being nice.

Sorry for being slow:

Are we ONLY spoilering the book bits?
We can talk about the last episode the day after it was broadcast?

Seems logical to me.

Jolly good. I've forgotten most of the detail in the books anyway.

GOOD THINGS about last night episode:

Giants, mammoths and the Sycthe. The watch commander apologising for not sealing the tunnel and then showing Snow that ti's tough being in charge at times. Killing of the giant, and the last stand at the gate, that was good.

BAD things:

Ygritte dying in Snow's arms for an eternity. It went on a bit.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:10

Discussion about the books is in the other thread. This is TV stuff only.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

That last episode was very well done and, as someone said, nice and LOTR-y as battle scenes go. The problem is that we only get ten episodes a season and there are a fuckton of interesting characters and plots going on to so to spend a whole episode on this very detailed view of a single battle scene just seemed a bit needless. What are we now not going to see, or get rushed through, so the show could confirm for us that John Snow's mates are all courageous good guys but that, for instance, Janos Slynt is a prick?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Ser Allister really redeemed himself at the end. Good on him.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I thought it was fantastic.

Like a LOTR fight but with actual peril.

And as for rushing other stuff, I don't see why. They could have ended the season there quite happily.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

DavPaz wrote:

Ser Allister really redeemed himself at the end. Good on him.

I loved that.

He's a prick. But that doesn't mean he can't do his job when it counts. Fantastic.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

Dr Lave wrote:

I thought it was fantastic.

Like a LOTR fight but with actual peril.

And as for rushing other stuff, I don't see why. They could have ended the season there quite happily.

What about Tyrion?!?!?!?!?!

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Mr Russell wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

I thought it was fantastic.

Like a LOTR fight but with actual peril.

And as for rushing other stuff, I don't see why. They could have ended the season there quite happily.

What about Tyrion?!?!?!?!?!

Hanged off screen.

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