Alien and Aliens

myp · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:23

I first saw it around that age in a caravan in Devon. It was on ITV and my Dad let me stay up late to watch it on the 14" portable telly we had there.

It was scary but not so much that I wet the bed or couldn't sleep after.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:24

Future Warrior wrote:

I first saw it around that age in a caravan in Devon. It was on ITV and my Dad let me stay up late to watch it on the 14" portable telly we had there.

It was scary but not so much that I wet the bed or couldn't sleep after.

What caused that, then?

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

11?!

Yeah, that was my first though.

That doesn't make it any better.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:25

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

11?!

Yeah, that was my first though. I'm fairly sure at 11 I'd have been fucking terrified of Aliens!

Yes I think 11 is somewhat young but it is a tricky one to pass judgement on other cultures.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

11 may or may not be fine, depending on the kids - I'd be hoping he'd checked with the other kids' parents before showing them a film like Aliens at that age though.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

By 11, I'd seen Alien, Aliens, The Fly, multiple Nightmare On Elm Street films, various Halloweens, Robocop, and more. My mum was... not responsible.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Making that sort of decision for your own kid is quite a bit different to making that decision for someone else's kids though.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

I just looked it up. Aliens was an 18 on release, re-rated to a 15 in 2010. I wonder how close it was to getting a 12. 12s can be pretty nasty these days (citation: The Dark Knight pencil-in-eye antics.)

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

Future Warrior wrote:

I first saw it around that age in a caravan in Devon. It was on ITV and my Dad let me stay up late to watch it on the 14" portable telly we had there.

It was scary but not so much that I wet the bed or couldn't sleep after.

I first saw it on ITV also. I think I was about 9. Scared the shit out of me

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 13:47

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

I just looked it up. Aliens was an 18 on release, re-rated to a 15 in 2010. I wonder how close it was to getting a 12. 12s can be pretty nasty these days (citation: The Dark Knight pencil-in-eye antics.)

12s are only allowed one use of the word "fuck", so they'll have to change that first.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 13:52

Grim... wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

I just looked it up. Aliens was an 18 on release, re-rated to a 15 in 2010. I wonder how close it was to getting a 12. 12s can be pretty nasty these days (citation: The Dark Knight pencil-in-eye antics.)

12s are only allowed one use of the word "fuck", so they'll have to change that first.

Where did you read that? BBFC guidelines state:

Quote:

The BBFC's Guidelines state that strong language (e.g. 'f***') may be passed at 12 or 12A, depending on the manner in which it is used, who is using the language, its frequency and any special contextual justification. Aggressive uses of strong language may result in a film or DVD being placed at the 15 category. There is some allowance for puns on strong language at this category.
There may be moderate language (e.g. uses of terms such as ‘bitch’ and ‘twat’ at 12 or 12A).

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/what-classification/12a-and-12

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 13:52

Apart from the chestburster and the language, I can't think of anything in Aliens that is particularly unsuited to modern children (and by that, I mean children that live in a world where The Avengers and other superheroes pummel their way through a variety of bad guys and alien creatures, causing endless property damage and threat to human life.)

I snuck in behind my brothers while they were watching RoboCop on a crappy VHS copy. I was about 6 at the time I seem to remember. They caught me when I shrieked during Murphy's execution, and even today I still remember my thoughts that day whenever I rewatch that scene.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5149

Future Warrior wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

I just looked it up. Aliens was an 18 on release, re-rated to a 15 in 2010. I wonder how close it was to getting a 12. 12s can be pretty nasty these days (citation: The Dark Knight pencil-in-eye antics.)

12s are only allowed one use of the word "fuck", so they'll have to change that first.

Where did you read that? BBFC guidelines state:

Quote:

The BBFC's Guidelines state that strong language (e.g. 'f***') may be passed at 12 or 12A, depending on the manner in which it is used, who is using the language, its frequency and any special contextual justification. Aggressive uses of strong language may result in a film or DVD being placed at the 15 category. There is some allowance for puns on strong language at this category.
There may be moderate language (e.g. uses of terms such as ‘bitch’ and ‘twat’ at 12 or 12A).

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/what-classification/12a-and-12

I think it's the USA PG13 that has the one-fuck rule for dialog, so films are edited to suit that, and then passed as a 12A in the UK. There wouldn't be much point adding in a bit of extra swearing outside America.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 14:21

Ah yeah, I was yankee-ing it up. My bad.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5149

It's such a stupid rule anyway. If the idea is not to expose younger children to bad language, then you don't use it at all.
The idea that they won't pick up on it if it's only used once is delusional, especially as it's normally saved for at a key moment of the film.

Jem · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 15:10

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

It's such a stupid rule anyway. If the idea is not to expose younger children to bad language, then you don't use it at all.
The idea that they won't pick up on it if it's only used once is delusional, especially as it's normally saved for at a key moment of the film.

I've personally found that my children are much more likely to pick up on something I don't want them to hear if I only say it once. :DD

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5149

Jem wrote:

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

It's such a stupid rule anyway. If the idea is not to expose younger children to bad language, then you don't use it at all.
The idea that they won't pick up on it if it's only used once is delusional, especially as it's normally saved for at a key moment of the film.

I've personally found that my children are much more likely to pick up on something I don't want them to hear if I only say it once. :DD

My GF's son would always pick the single most inappropriate bit of a song's lyrics to fixate upon and repeat. Often loudly, and completely out of context without the music.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Jem wrote:

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

It's such a stupid rule anyway. If the idea is not to expose younger children to bad language, then you don't use it at all.
The idea that they won't pick up on it if it's only used once is delusional, especially as it's normally saved for at a key moment of the film.

I've personally found that my children are much more likely to pick up on something I don't want them to hear if I only say it once. :DD

My GF's son would always pick the single most inappropriate bit of a song's lyrics to fixate upon and repeat. Often loudly, and completely out of context without the music.

FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5149

DavPaz wrote:

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Jem wrote:

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

It's such a stupid rule anyway. If the idea is not to expose younger children to bad language, then you don't use it at all.
The idea that they won't pick up on it if it's only used once is delusional, especially as it's normally saved for at a key moment of the film.

I've personally found that my children are much more likely to pick up on something I don't want them to hear if I only say it once. :DD

My GF's son would always pick the single most inappropriate bit of a song's lyrics to fixate upon and repeat. Often loudly, and completely out of context without the music.

FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!

On reflection, listening to RATM in the car might not have been the best choice.... :this:

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Aliens would be an R in the states. So kids could totally go to the cinema and watch it as long as a parent/guardian is present

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 19:24

The rumormill days that Biehn might return as Hicks.

So, um, someone has told them that they're all really old now, right?

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 19:39

They could chalk it up to the hypersleep chambers malfunctioning, they age but very slowly...

Malc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 19:44

Maybe 3 is a dream (we've seen dream sequences in the films already) and they've been drifting for a very, very long time?

I saw alien when I was babysitting for a family, and they had recorded it off the tv.

I imagine I was about 14.

I saw aliens shortly afterwards.

I really enjoyed both of them...

Malc

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 21:06

GazChap wrote:

They could chalk it up to the hypersleep chambers malfunctioning, they age but very slowly...

Yeah, I thought about that. They'd be suffering from some serious muscle atrophy, though.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 21:07

Although it would give them excuse to stick a hot Newt into the mix, though

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

Grim... wrote:

Although it would give them excuse to stick a hot Newt into the mix, though

With the mind of a 10 year old

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2015 21:52

Yeah, not convinced a hot Newt would really fit in, thematically

Interestingly though, I always knew that Carrie Henn has only ever appeared on the big screen in Aliens, but what I *didn't* know was that her brother, Christopher, played Newt's brother Timmy, who didn't appear in the theatrical release - but also went on to never appear in anything else ever.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5149

First time I saw Alien was on a PGL type holiday - pretty sure it was when I was 10 or 11.
We also watched The Warriors and Saturday 14th, all of which were totally inappropriate for primary school age kids.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:26

GazChap wrote:

Interestingly though, I always knew that Carrie Henn has only ever appeared on the big screen in Aliens, but what I *didn't* know was that her brother, Christopher, played Newt's brother Timmy, who didn't appear in the theatrical release - but also went on to never appear in anything else ever.

Yo trivia skillz be whack, fewl. Next you'll be telling my you don't know what the "illegal alien" line was about.

DavPaz wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Although it would give them excuse to stick a hot Newt into the mix, though

With the mind of a 10 year old

Point.

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:48

Grim... wrote:

Yo trivia skillz be whack, fewl. Next you'll be telling my you don't know what the "illegal alien" line was about

Nah, I know that one

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:52

GazChap wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Yo trivia skillz be whack, fewl. Next you'll be telling my you don't know what the "illegal alien" line was about

Nah, I know that one

Do tell

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:53

MaliA wrote:

GazChap wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Yo trivia skillz be whack, fewl. Next you'll be telling my you don't know what the "illegal alien" line was about

Nah, I know that one

Do tell

He likes his toast dry on one side.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:22

MaliA wrote:

GazChap wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Yo trivia skillz be whack, fewl. Next you'll be telling my you don't know what the "illegal alien" line was about

Nah, I know that one

Do tell

Hudson's "illegal aliens" line to Vasquez is an inside joke referencing the fact that, at her first audition, Goldstein had assumed Aliens was actually a movie about illegal immigrants in the United States, and had dressed accordingly. She still got the part, obv.

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 13:44

Hudson: "Someone said 'alien', she thought they said 'illegal alien', and signed up."
Vasquez: "Fuck you, man."

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 13:45

Huh, according to this page it's an urban myth and isn't at all true.

WHO TO BELIEVE?

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Mar 03, 2015 13:55

GazChap wrote:

Huh, according to this page it's an urban myth and isn't at all true.

WHO TO BELIEVE?

She's talked about it in interviews, so either she's lying or it happened.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Well, she's an illegal alien, so I wouldn't trust her.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

"Hudson sir, he's Hicks"

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/03/m ... equel.html

Quote:

Michael Biehn confirms that he’s returning as Hicks in Neill Blomkamp’s Alien sequel

Here’s some news that’s bound to please fans of 80s sci-fi action! Michael Biehn has confirmed that he’s set to reprise the role of Corporal Duane Hicks from 1986’s Aliens in Neill Blomkamp’s as-yet-untitled Alien sequel.

Posting on Instagram in response to a comment about his scheduled appearance at Sheffield Film and Comic-Con in the UK, Biehn stated that, “I’m not looking at scheduling conflicts with the Sheffield Comic Con, due to my contract for Aliens to begin filming during then.”

Fan favourite Hicks was featured in the original concept art that Blomkamp posted for his then-unofficial Alien sequel, which has since been given the greenlight from Fox and will also see Sigourney Weaver back as Ripley.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:39

BUT HE'S OLD

myp · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:41

Grim... wrote:

BUT HE'S OLD

Old people have stories to tell too.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:46

Presumably not him, as he's still on the Sulaco.

Somehow.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

Grim... wrote:

BUT HE'S OLD

He's 57 , Sigourney is 65

Either dont mention it or the first thing as they wake up from their hypersleep is that they found the cryo chambers have malfunctioned and they have aged a little

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:00

zaphod79 wrote:

Grim... wrote:

BUT HE'S OLD

He's 57 , Sigourney is 65

YES SHE IS ALSO OLD

I'm really worried that trying to include them is going to kill the whole thing.

GazChap · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:01

Grim... wrote:

Presumably not him, as he's still on the Sulaco.

Somehow.

Have you seen the DLC for Aliens: Colonial Marines that explains how Hicks is still alive?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:01

I have not.

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 13:25

Grim... wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

Grim... wrote:

BUT HE'S OLD

He's 57 , Sigourney is 65

YES SHE IS ALSO OLD

I'm really worried that trying to include them is going to kill the whole thing.

He's not that old and neither is she. Precluding the fact that he may look his age and be in poor shape, he can exercise to cover one and there's careful lighting for the other. Weaver looks great for her age.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

What if they came out of hypersleep and have been living happily together as a couple for 30 years? Then the Aliens come back.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 13:38

DBSnappa wrote:

He's not that old and neither is she. Precluding the fact that he may look his age and be in poor shape, he can exercise to cover one and there's careful lighting for the other. Weaver looks great for her age.

But they should both be thirty years younger. That's going to take some serious lighting.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 13:40

Grim... wrote:

DBSnappa wrote:

He's not that old and neither is she. Precluding the fact that he may look his age and be in poor shape, he can exercise to cover one and there's careful lighting for the other. Weaver looks great for her age.

But they should both be thirty years younger. That's going to take some serious lighting.

They "shouldn't" anything, unless you know the story already?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2015 13:44

Future Warrior wrote:

Grim... wrote:

DBSnappa wrote:

He's not that old and neither is she. Precluding the fact that he may look his age and be in poor shape, he can exercise to cover one and there's careful lighting for the other. Weaver looks great for her age.

But they should both be thirty years younger. That's going to take some serious lighting.

They "shouldn't" anything, unless you know the story already?

They're going to have to do some serious explaining, which they wouldn't have to do if they weren't shoe-horning the folk from Aliens into it.

Still, obviously, I want to be proved wrong so hard that my nips fall off. But I worry, Myp! I've been hurt before, and I worry so much.

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