The big wikileaks, er, leak!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I started reading that, and then the author turned me against him very quickly when he said "When are you going to focus your relentless and often valuable energies on other governments ... Could you kindly find someone to liberate internal documents from, say, the Chinese government?" - Wikileaks doesn't go out and get the info, or procure its leakage, it's leaked to them. I assume he knows that, of course. And in any event, much of this round of information IS about countries other than the US.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

I started reading that, and then the author turned me against him very quickly when he said "When are you going to focus your relentless and often valuable energies on other governments ... Could you kindly find someone to liberate internal documents from, say, the Chinese government?" - Wikileaks doesn't go out and get the info, or procure its leakage, it's leaked to them. I assume he knows that, of course. And in any event, much of this round of information IS about countries other than the US.

Also, their documents are probably all in some crazy foreign language. Who's going to read that?

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

#disqus_thread">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... qus_thread

read the comments and lo there was much :facepalm:

amongst all men

fyi I'm penguin

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 15:46

Dr Lave wrote:

I'm just looking forward to using it in response to the threats on our privacy.

MP: "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide. "

Me: "So you support wikileaks then?"

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

#comment-fold" class="postlink">Assange arrested, likely off to Sweden soon. And thence to Guantanamo, I bet.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy. The European arrest warrant isn't even valid, as he's not, (as far as I've heard) been charged in Sweden.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

#comment-fold" class="postlink">Assange arested, liekly off to Sweden soon. And thence to Guantanamo, I bet.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy. The European arrest warrant isn't even valid, as he's not, (as far as I've heard) been charged in Sweden.

It does all sound a little on the convenient side. Hmm indeed.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy.

Via Charlie Stross:

Quote:

Obviously I can't comment on whether there's any substance to the charges, but Counterpunch suggests otherwise, alleging:

Quote:

Swedish bloggers uncovered the full story in a few hours. The complaint was lodged by a radical feminist Anna Ardin, 30, a one-time intern in the Swedish Foreign Service. She's spokeswoman for Broderskapsrörelsen, the liberation theology-like Christian organization affiliated with Sweden's Social Democratic Party. She had invited Julian Assange to a crayfish party, and they had enjoyed some quality time together. When Ardin discovered that Julian shared a similar experience with a 20-year-old woman a day or two later, she obtained the younger woman's cooperation in declaring before the police that changing partners in so rapid a manner constituted a sort of deceit. And deceit is a sort of rape. The prosecutor immediately issued an arrest warrant, and the press was duly notified. Once the facts were examined in the cold light of day, the charge of rape seemed ludicrous and was immediately dropped. In the meantime the younger woman, perhaps realizing how she had been used, withdrew her report, leaving the vengeful Anna Ardin standing alone.

Ardin has written and published on her blog a "revenge instruction", describing how to commit a complete character assassination to legally destroy a person who "should be punished for what he did". If the offence was of a sexual nature, the revenge also must also be sex-related, she wrote.

I think that the timing of the allegations (which first surfaced after the previous wikileaks disclosures) and the INTERPOL warrant is suggestive of a politically-motivated disinformation campaign rather than an actual serious criminal investigation. I also note with interest the way the charges were originally brought, then withdrawn, then brought again. Rape is an extremely serious charge, and generally treated as such in Sweden. So what's up with this?

Your guess is as good as mine, but my guess is this: Assange is stomping on the bunions of the rich and powerful. And while serious people aren't suggesting murder or prosecution for treason — either of which would make a martyr of him and underscore the seriousness of his project; I'll note that only un-serious politicians, whoring for newspaper column-inches, are coming out with this crap — I think his enemies are fighting back with that time-honoured tactic of the scoundrel, the carefully-aimed character assassination.

Which, if you think about it, suggests he's onto something important.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Even more intriguingly, the Anna woman has been kicked out of Cuba for anti-Castro activities and has links to the CIA. More detail here

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Also, Wikileaks made available a 1.4Gb encrypted file months ago called "insurance.aes256". It's big enough to hold everything they've leaked so far and more besides, and no-one knows what's in it; the encryption is essentially unbreakable. It would only take for someone to release the plain text password for everyone who already has it to be able to open it.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Yes, I remember that, but it does seem to have faded from the media's interest. I wonder how long until the password is released, now?

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

Also, Wikileaks made available a 1.4Gb encrypted file months ago called "insurance.aes256". It's big enough to hold everything they've leaked so far and more besides, and no-one knows what's in it; the encryption is essentially unbreakable. It would only take for someone to release the plain text password for everyone who already has it to be able to open it.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:20

That's excellent.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Oh come on, if you read your conspiracy sites properly you'll know that Assange actually works for the CIA and this whole wikileaks thing is just a 9/11 for the internet so governments that are part of the New World Order scheme can clamp down on the internet more.

It's TRUE. There's no proof but it's still TRUE.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6510

Nirejhingle Bells wrote:

Oh come on, if you read your conspiracy sites properly you'll know that Assange actually works for the CIA and this whole wikileaks thing is just a 9/11 for the internet so governments that are part of the New World Order scheme can clamp down on the internet more.

It's TRUE. There's no proof but it's still TRUE.

It's the lack of proof that shows it's true. Only the CIA, Masons, the Vatican and the Illuminati all working together could possibly come up with a scheme like that and there not be any proof. And there isn't any proof, so it must be true.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

EXACTLY!

I like how someone on ATS says something along the lines of "I have no proof of it but I just FEEL it must be so."

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy.

Via Charlie Stross

I've now read through the comments on that article, and I have come to the conclusion that Charlie Stross is a prick. Anyone who says anything like "if you don't know the term "trotsykite entryism"* then you're not equipped to understand the politics of the last two decades" is an irredeemable bell-end of the first water.

And Saturn's Children is still wank.

*Merely meaning, basically, "infiltrating another organisation for your own purposes". So it doesn't really need such a wanky expression for it.

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 13:00

Nirejhingle Bells wrote:

EXACTLY!

I like how someone on ATS says something along the lines of "I have no proof of it but I just FEEL it must be so."

"There's no proof, but it's still scientific fact."

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Seriously. Sweden, computer hacking, conspiracies at the highest level of government, revelation of world important secrets, sex scandal connections?

If Stiig larsson now turns out not to be dead and writes a new book which reveals how dumbledore didn't really die, I'm going to go batshit mental.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Totally stole that for Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 5285447680 (with credit: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 9092129792).

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

Totally stole that for Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 5285447680 (with credit: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 9092129792).

You needn't have credited me, you worked it so much better.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Meh. The rewording is easy, it's making the initial link between Assange and Larsson that's the clever bit.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Assange refused bail on the grounds that he hadn't turned himself in previously (although the police had continually been made aware of his location, according to his lawyer) and "for his own protection".

Fucking hell.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 16:09

That's some Kafkaesque shit. To coin a phrase.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

kalmyrrh wrote:

That's some Kafkaesque shit. To coin a phrase.

Would that be a shit that you can only do when you don't need to do one?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Losing your Swiss bank account - £30,000
Daily legal fees for two high-priced media lawyers - £10,000
Losing access to PayPal for donations - £500,000
Picking up Jemima Khan on your way to court - PRICELESS

There are some things money can't buy. Including bail, in your case. For everything else there's ... oh, hang on, we pulled your Mastercard access. Hell, there's nothing you can buy now. MWA HA HA HA HA HA

Yours, the CIA, the Illuminati, the Board of the Military-Industrial Complex and the Swedish Feminist League.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

I think there is something quite sinister about this whole Wikileaks organisation. The lot of them should be imprisoned and their assets frozen. The guy who runs them looks like a 1980's Bond villain as well.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

chinnyhill10 wrote:

I think there is something quite sinister about this whole Wikileaks organisation. The lot of them should be imprisoned and their assets frozen.

Because....?

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

chinnyhill10 wrote:

I think there is something quite sinister about this whole Wikileaks organisation. The lot of them should be imprisoned and their assets frozen.

Because....?

They are terrorists who wish to undermine our society and are being funded by the giant lizard people. Possibly.

Never trust a man who looks like a Bond villain. It'll all end with a fight on an airship over the Golden Gate Bridge, trust me.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

[EDIT]
Cut, so as not to get my wife in trouble.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6510

Quick, leak that story!

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

I'm sure The Guardian would be interested in that

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 17:32

Jesus!
Get that out there, 'fur!

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6510

REDACTED.

CLEARANCE DENIED.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Wow.

So am I right in thinking the yanks will get him now?

Because once he is in Sweden, they will extradite him. I think I saw someone say that on twitter, but can't find it now.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO READ THIS POST

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

[EDIT]
Cut, so as not to get my wife in trouble.

Yeah. I did think that was brave

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

What was cut!?!?! I demand transparency!

Or a PM

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MincePieOfDensity wrote:

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

[EDIT]
Cut, so as not to get my wife in trouble.

Yeah. I did think that was brave

Well, it was all factually correct. But it's not my neck on the line, so there we are.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 17:43

Was it his story about Al Fayed and the open crotch cardigan?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Wizzardoz wrote:

Was it his story about Al Fayed and the open crotch cardigan?

Yeah, sorry. I need to stop banging on about that.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Oh the stuff I miss by not monging on here all day.

[pages Grim.. for Twitter feed of all posts]

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:02

MincePieOfDensity wrote:

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

[EDIT]
Cut, so as not to get my wife in trouble.

Yeah. I did think that was brave

Oh, THAT.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

Just in case anyone is interested, one of my colleagues is taking part in a webcast on the whole wikileaks thing for therealnews.com

http://www.therealnews.com/freeinternet/

Paul Jay, senior editor of The Real News Network, will moderate a virtual panel discussion promoting a dialogue for the technology community about the technological and legal ramifications of the WikiLeaks shutdown.

Topics to be discussed include:

What does the cut off of service to WikiLeaks mean for the future of the Internet?
Will digital journalism be less protected?
Was WikiLeaks afforded procedural protections before its website and DNS entries were shut down? What process should be required?
The Internet is vulnerable to internal threats. What technical innovations are needed?
Can leaks ever be stopped? Is it worth the price?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:50

Good blog about it by A. Campbell

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Christmas Tsara wrote:

Good blog about it by A. Campbell

Please stop linking to that cunt's blog, man.

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:54

If Alastair Campbell's decrying something as a conspiracy theory, dollars to doughnuts there's something to it.

Also, what kissyfur said.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Well, Anonymous are now stomping their big internet boots about in that delightfully subtle way they have.

Stolen:

Quote:

There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's HTTP Error 408 Request Timeout

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Where did you steal that from? I want to tweet it.

Edit -- never mind, found it. http://twitter.com/#!/LunaSlave/status/ ... 7488515072

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

A similar thread on RLLMUK.

http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?sh ... &p=7568786

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004EEOLIU

Buy the Wikileaks cables from Amazon; Mastercard and Visa accepted. :DD

Plissken · **Posted:** Thu Dec 09, 2010 15:22

Heard a good one today.... Sarah Palin has called for Julian Assange to be killed because he made public something she didn't like, so what exactly is the difference between her and the Islamic extremists who wanted the Danish cartoonists dead?

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Be Excellent To Each Other

The big wikileaks, er, leak! Internet lols probably ensue

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The big wikileaks, er, leak!
Internet lols probably ensue