Be Excellent To Each Other

... because we were actually talking about Mary, and why she is important to the show, being a counter personality to Paul in the show.

The comparison to work arsehole was appropriate because in neither case do I care what their personality is at home, just in the context that I am seeing them in. I wouldn't think that was particularly complex.

Katie Hopkins may well be lovely at home with her kids, may just be an absolute c-nut in the media because the paper and other media outlets that pay her a lot of money to say hateful things have told her to be, but I'm pretty much not going to like her whatever

I couldn't remember Katie Holmes names, and google image searched Katie Perry and Katie Holmes before searching 'horrible British Katie'

That we weren't. We were talking about her announcement that she wasn't going to C4 and how I thought she was a shrivelled old dipshit (or something to that effect). Mr Russell said he thought she was probably under a lot of pressure. Then you.

If that's what you meant then fair enough - but it would have been out of context.


I bet she isn't.

How did you not end up with Jordan?

Yeah, we were, because that came up. But I think it's just disagreement for its own sake, and I don't think you can really debate someone into liking someone as it isn't really a process of logic. I like Mary Berry and think someone like her is important to the show, you think she is shrivelled, or something. People like Paul Hollywood, I don't, and here's 100 reasons I must be wrong

I don't know who Jordan is, though? Unless you mean the girl who used to do the page 3 modelling, and I don't know why she'd come up in a search for Katie Hopkins, but I don't know much about either, unless someone on Twitter about that ridiculous woman. And yes, I think she is probably horrible, because you'd have to sell your soul to the devil to say that stuff for money, but she's a rather extreme example.

Pucker up

I don't think anyone thinks you're 'wrong' for not liking him, not at all - but I think your example of 'work guy is horrid so I assume he's always horrid' is much more applicable in that context than it is to someone who's clearly told to play the meanie for TV reasons, that's all. Doesn't invalidate you feeling that way about him in the least - it's a reaction, after all.

It is still debatable that he's told to pretend of course. He could do it off his own back, or he could really be that guy. Nobody knows for sure, no matter how much we hypothesise or want to believe one way or another.

So everyone's equally right, and I solved the internet!

I'd be amazed if they didn't pretty much tell him word for word "We want you to be the Simon Cowell one"

Could you do it though, convincingly?

No, but I'm not a TV presenter for a living

He's either not very nice, or has accepted money to turn his personal name and public persona into a hateful one, and has sold his personality to be crafted into that of a nasty, petty and smug person. Maybe that's why he's the only one to have taken the money to go to Channel 4? I don't know how well he'd transfer to a traditional cooking show now. I know he had one pre-bake off, but he's so linked to his GBBO persona now that I don't know that many would like someone so condescending and smug in the cosier setting of a cookery demonstration show, where it is filmed to feel like a one-on-one informal cookery lesson. Mary Berry can move seamlessly to that, as she has the encouraging warm persona that people want when learning. Though PH existed pre GBBO, it's where he has come to the fore, so he may have made his bed and now has to follow it to C4 to continue to lie in it. Whether you think I am wrong or not, my belief is that his GBBO persona will be the one that sticks, which is why I do think it is like someone who has a nasty attitude at work as I think that will be the persona that follows him around.

He's the new Jeremy Clarkson, basically.

We Love our family. We're in bliss. Join us.

Maybe, though I think Clarkson is probably an actual racist. I don't think you'd try to slip racist jokes past censors without being an actual racist and idiot.

And he punched someone.

He has one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hcv64

I also don't think he's that bad on the show, he just gives actually critical feedback. But that's just personal feelings, obv.

I've seen the one from before Bake Off, and it was ok. But I don't think that one troubles the ratings much, does it? Certainly MB's cooking show, even repeats, usually makes it to the top 40 iPlayer shows when it is on. I've never seen that there.

I'm not so sure about that. Over the years, the writing has become more and more to position him as a relic of his time, stuck in the modern world which alienates and confuses him. The scripts for the other two regularly mention this, referring to him as "The oaf", "The Orangatuan" and so on.

I don't think for a moment that the "there's a slope on that bridge" wasn't left in delibrately to fuel exposure, nor was there anyone not aware.

If someone appears on telly ostensibly as themselves then it's pretty legitimate to form some judgement about them based on that. Unless they're actually Larry David and that's the whole joke.

Or James Van Der Beek.

James Van Der Beek

Most people who aren't arseholes wouldn't slag off someone's cake just to make them cry. Unless we're positing that being on a cake programme is something like the situation created for Milgram's famous studies into obedience.

Or Ricky Gervais.

Oh

Well, yes. And Top Gear's Clarkson is the oafish, relic of his time, wishes the empire still existed character. I am not saying that Clarkson is the reverse of this, but it is written that way

But they've won awards for unscripted telly, so which is it?

It forms a watchable narrative with good and bad. The contestants probably shouldn't invest so much of their hopes, dreams and ambition on making cakes but as they do, that fine line between victory and emotional breakdown. It is a constructed reality.

They're not crying because he "slagged off their cake", they're crying because they did a shit job in a competition.

In other news (via Popbitch):

Hahaha oh my God, seriously? Did you forget why they couldn't collect the award?

Didn't Clarkson say he was busy writing the script for that week's show, or something?

I can't remember - it was a long time ago when it used to be good.

Yup.

Dammit, you've got me archive crawling now.

I would have posted more hashtags but it seems to only linkify the first one in a post.

#come #on #grimdotdotdot #step #up #your #game

Weird.

Haha every other one. God damn regex.

I know how we can settle the Paul Hollywood debate!

He can come to MeatUp 2017 and make the burger buns.

Or the cottage. There's room now Pinot hasn't RSVP'd

Did anyone watch the new Red Dwarf?

Yes.

Good

No, it wasn't.

I gave up after that first one they did on Dave.

It was certainly better than that.

The Bladerunner one?

That was alright (certainly better than the series before it) The full series on Dave was better again than the mini series, not seen this latest one yet, but I'll probably watch it tonight

It's telling that I, being a person that can quote the first 6 series almost verbatim, forgot that it was even on. I only watched the last series once through and can't remember a thing about it.

Oh, wait. Lister fell in love with a vending machine and they met Jesus. I think. Maybe

The old ones have not aged well either. It's all rather disappointing.

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