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The problem with juicing is that you're basically eradicating all the actual benefits to fruit & veg and turning it into a big glass of sugar.

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Great! No wonder he likes it so much!


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Does juicing remove all the vitamin and mineral content, then?

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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.

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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.


So really we should be walking around with little tobacco tins of mulch for us to chew on?


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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.


So really we should be walking around with little tobacco tins of mulch for us to chew on?


Well, yes. Or eating fruit and veg ;)

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You can save the pulp for cooking, in stocks and what-not.

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I'm surprised at that. I remember the days when people touted the benefits of juice bars specifically because of the vitamin and mineral content. I do t know how home juicers work, though (beyond one of those spiky lemon squeezer things... and I don't even know if we have one of those). I guess it's different from a normal blender if it removes the fibre content, though.

Well, Asfish, put it this way. Probably still far better for mini fish than fizzy drinks. At least it's natural, and as with anything, enjoyed in moderation is ok and may help minifish to enjoy the taste of the fruits/vegetables that the juices come from!

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At least it's natural


While I very much agree with everything else you wrote there, there's no inherent value to something being 'natural'. Polonium is natural.

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I agree and still think they are more healthy than drinking pop, as the sugar is natural rather than refined.

I tend to blend rather than juice.

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I agree and still think they are more healthy than drinking pop, as the sugar is natural rather than refined.

I tend to blend rather than juice.


ah, good point. I was conflating something like a nutribullet with a juicer.

Something like a nutribullet is good, a juicer is bad?

And if I add steroids to my nutribullet, am I still juicing?


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I agree and still think they are more healthy than drinking pop, as the sugar is natural rather than refined.


Fructose is by and large worse for you as an energy source than glucose or sucrose, because it suppresses the leptin response in the body which is responsible for making you feel sated when eating. This is why high fructose corn syrup is particularly bad for you. Fructose isn't designed to be good for you. It's designed to be tasty, so animals and birds eat fruit and spread seeds. Natural is meaningless.

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I agree and still think they are more healthy than drinking pop, as the sugar is natural rather than refined.


There's not really any health difference between "natural" and refined sugar, though. It's still sugar.

It's not like the only options for drinks are juice or fizzy pop, either. Are we forgetting vodka?

Sorry, I meant water. :DD

re: getting veg into your kids food.. if they're having bits of veg here and there I don't think it's worth stressing about. Mine will eat cucumber, carrots, broccoli, peas etc so I just serve a little bit more of them and don't stress too much about cabbage and other 'stronger' veg which they might change their mind about later on.

If I'm feeling really sneaky I chop stuff up super fine and put that in foods - like the mushroom in the cottage pie I made yesterday - which nobody noticed (mostly because Izz was too busy moaning about the chunks of onion which she alternately found "delicious" and "horrible").

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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.


So really we should be walking around with little tobacco tins of mulch for us to chew on?


Well, yes. Or eating fruit and veg ;)

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I agree and still think they are more healthy than drinking pop, as the sugar is natural rather than refined.


Natural is meaningless.


You say that, but cop a feel of these puppies

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re: getting veg into your kids food.. if they're having bits of veg here and there I don't think it's worth stressing about. Mine will eat cucumber, carrots, broccoli, peas etc so I just serve a little bit more of them and don't stress too much about cabbage and other 'stronger' veg which they might change their mind about later on.


TIL broccoli and peas are gateway veg and inevitably lead to the hard stuff in later years :D

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At least it's natural


While I very much agree with everything else you wrote there, there's no inherent value to something being 'natural'. Polonium is natural.

Fruits and vegetables are natural food sources, polonium is not. Natural in this context being from a source of sustainance in nature, in its whole form, before being processed. I understand that juicing is processing itself, in a sense, but straight from the fresh fruit and vegetable rather than with added stabilisers, preservatives, flavourings and coloursnts.

Though you may not see any value in the distinction between something grown from nature as a food source and something more processed and with additives for whatever end, I know that a lot of people do prefer to eat with fewer additives. I'm sure Asfish mentioned once that his partner wanted to help jnr stay as free from additives and preservatives as possible when growing, so that was just a little positive for him, rather than any agenda or belief for everyone.

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Which is fine, but there's absolutely nothing whatsoever that makes a natural food source better for you than an unnatural one. Fruit is evolutionarily positioned to make its consumers want to eat as much of it as possible, hence the suppression of satiation. In humans, especially given our current lifestyles, that's not by any means an ideal food source.

"Food A is better than food B because it has no additives and is natural" has no basis in reality. "Food A is better than food B because it doesn't have harmful additive C" is absolutely valid, and makes perfect sense.

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Ok, in all honesty I was posting because Asfish was posting in the yay thread about his awesome new thing that he was happy with, but all responses were very negative, pretty much like they are to any post where someone is happy with their purchase, when people like to tell each other just how wrong they are and why their own thing is better. I was just trying to give a bit of yay back to his yay, because everything turned into nays and people saying they were laughing (?)

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Which is fine, and I very much take your point that this thread is very much for sharing something that cheers you up. There's so much bad science and fad science out there about food that I think it's fair to call it out though, and I don't think Asfish is the type to not carry on happily with his juicing fun because people have called out some of the concerns.

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I'm surprised at that. I remember the days when people [who own juice bars] touted the benefits of juice bars specifically because of the vitamin and mineral content.

FTFY.

In general, noisy and enthusiastic embracing of any food thing does not make it good cf: every fad diet ever.


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and I don't think Asfish is the type to not carry on happily with his juicing fun because people have called out some of the concerns.


:this:

Especially coming from people with eating/drinking habits like ours (ok, me..)

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I was laughing at Jem's turn of phrase, I can't even see asfascist's posts anymore so didn't know what it was in response to.

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Mimi wrote:
I'm surprised at that. I remember the days when people touted the benefits of juice bars specifically because of the vitamin and mineral content. I do t know how home juicers work, though (beyond one of those spiky lemon squeezer things... and I don't even know if we have one of those). I guess it's different from a normal blender if it removes the fibre content, though.

Well, Asfish, put it this way. Probably still far better for mini fish than fizzy drinks. At least it's natural, and as with anything, enjoyed in moderation is ok and may help minifish to enjoy the taste of the fruits/vegetables that the juices come from!


I did some apple and strawberry and then froze it in ice lolly moulds they have gone down very well!


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Can we pull the juicing/sugar to another thread?

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There's so much bad science and fad science out there about food that I think it's fair to call it out though, and I don't think Asfish is the type to not carry on happily with his juicing fun because people have called out some of the concerns.


The juicer came with a somewhat limited recipe book, so I had a look at some books. Most of what I found did appear to be from people saying that drinking juiced fruit and veg was the best thing ever.

Just reading some of the recipes for veg based juice was enough to put me off :)

Its not going to be a daily thing by any means, as there have been some valid points raised to be fair :)

My son has suffered from some constipation and withholding, the laxative our specialist gave us always makes him go when its time for an afternoon nap so he doesn't have one. At 3 he doesn't do this every day but could still do with it once or twice a week. What we have now is an increasingly bad tempered boy as the week goes on who ends up having a long sleep at night every week or so.

So the aim with the juicer was to try and get a bit more veg stuff into him to see if that would help him go a bit more on his own.

He is at the stage where anything that looks like veg is refused, even the orange juice he likes was refused at first until I bribed him with 5 minutes on my phone

Other reason for getting was that I have loads of apple and pear trees and was sick of watching 80% of them land on the lawn as we just can't eat them all so figured I would juice some of them and freeze it.


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Will he eat dried fruit? They can help keep things moving.

And fat is just as important for bowel movements. So assuming there's no lactose or dairy issues, cheese and yoghurt might help.

I had a withholder, as I think I've mentioned before, so you do have my sympathies.

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I had a withholder, as I think I've mentioned before, so you do have my sympathies.

But now GazChap gets jiggy on the reg, right?

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I had a withholder, as I think I've mentioned before, so you do have my sympathies.


Thanks :)

Won't say any more on this topic as it will soon become the opposite of anything Yay!


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the mushroom in the cottage pie I made yesterday - which nobody noticed.

seriously? :spew:

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I was laughing at Jem's turn of phrase, I can't even see asfascist's posts anymore so didn't know what it was in response to.


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GazChap wrote:
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the mushroom in the cottage pie I made yesterday - which nobody noticed.

seriously? :spew:

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You told me you really enjoyed it, too. Do you feel dirty now?

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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.


Is that really the case with oranges? Did a bit of this juice last night :) You have to peel the orange first then all you have left aside from the flesh, most of which goes into the juice is the skin and the white pith.

Was nice all the same and it was the first thing my son asked me for when he got home from nursery!


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Pretty much. The vast majority is in the more fibrous matter that a juicer just dumps.

Surely there's some compensation in the fact that you wouldn't sit down and eat 5lbs of carrots, but that's how many you'd likely use to make a pint of carrot juice.

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I don't know enough about the fibre content of carrots to give you a definitive answer, but certainly when it comes to feeding rabbits and guinea pigs you're not supposed to give more than a few pieces because carrots are surprisingly high in sugar. I imagine that if you're drinking 5lbs of carrots, that amount of sugar can't be a good thing natural or otherwise.

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If you're on a no- or low-carb diet then carrots are not allowed - they are hugely carboriffic.

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Not really.

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Wooo! My workplace held a Bake Off competition, and I won! A company t-shirt ( yay! ) and the GBBO book! My winning entry was a fairly average layered vanilla sponge, with the middle hollowed out AND FILLED WITH M&Ms. I'm pretty certain it was the M&Ms that won it for me!


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The watch I bought Russell fir our wedding day only needed a new battery, so was made to work again for £4.

Due to autumn and the need for snuggles in the tummy, I made the biggest pot of Lentil Daal ever. I think about 20 portions. I only had two types of lentil, but before I was pregnant I had seven, then I couldn't stomach them, or chickpeas. Today felt like a day I needed lentils and chickpeas again. I didn't have normal chickpeas but another type of chana, smaller and darker, so they nestle in the dark like little cuddles.

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:luv: Mimi, love the 'simple things' in your post. I should do more of that and less moaning.

My simple yay: Oliver has his first school trip this morning and his excitement about it was contagious. :luv:

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I like the idea of simple yays too...

You both made me smile today :)

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