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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 19:36 
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I thought some of you might want to know Owen's nephew was born this morning, his name is Luca Owen Neal. I shall call him Og, which is the nickname we always called Owen.


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Awesome, congratulations. Owen would be made up :'(


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Aww, thank you for posting that. If he's even just a small portion of his two uncles he'll be a great lad indeed. :)

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Congraturations on your new familial arrival!


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Congratulations to all, looks like a fine addition to the family. I'm very pleased for you all!

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Hi Og!

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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Happy Birthday, Rev.

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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Two years ago today. Miss you Owen.


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Three years this weekend :(
RIP Owen.

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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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I think Gaywood adopted that. I'll let him know.

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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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gospvg wrote:
Three years this weekend :(
RIP Owen.

Anyone know why his website is hacked?


It was running an old version of Wordpress without recent patches, its been like that for a while but i know the Doc has a backup and 'will get round' to fixing it

I also have an offline backup of it which i grabbed the last time it went down - I keep meaning to upload it somewhere but its quite big and i'm not sure where to store it (maybe a communal dropbox)


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Three years this weekend :(
RIP Owen.

Anyone know why his website is hacked?


It was running an old version of Wordpress without recent patches, its been like that for a while but i know the Doc has a backup and 'will get round' to fixing it (i also have an offline backup of it which i grabbed the last time it went down - I keep meaning to upload it somewhere but its quite big and i'm not sure where to store it (maybe a communal dropbox)

Plenty of room on the Beex server.

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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Plenty of room on the Beex server.


I'll have a look at file sizes and see about uploading it - i'm pretty sure its just one large ZIP (or RAR) file - after the weekend if you want to point me to someplace i could upload it, i will , in case anyone else wants to keep a copy.


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Chance to win the Rev Owen Memorial Hat this weekend.

Cheers Rev.


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Plenty of room on the Beex server.


I'll have a look at file sizes and see about uploading it - i'm pretty sure its just one large ZIP (or RAR) file - after the weekend if you want to point me to someplace i could upload it, i will , in case anyone else wants to keep a copy.


That would be great thanks would love to have a copy of it to read through.


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Okay - backup file is 600mb , rather than upload as 1 600mb file i've used QUICKPAR (http://www.quickpar.org.uk/ ) to split this down into smaller chunks so they can be uploaded / downloaded easier and i'll add a few par files in as well in case the upload goes a bit odd , even with that its probably still going to be slow so the files will slowly show up in the next post however dont grab them until I've said they are all there and working.

When they are uploaded you can join them with whatever program you want and then unzip them , you'll end up with a folder called Inverty and in there is an INDEX.HTML file you can open and then browse the website locally.


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https://www.dropbox.com/s/ymgtyv8he2x1h ... ty.zip.001
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6s60yl5gkx036 ... ty.zip.002
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0o9l9jb6bfh5x ... ty.zip.003
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m1z53l4tdu9w ... ty.zip.004
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kt1c2i4x0fhww ... ty.zip.005
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vs1vvgt476ny ... ty.zip.006
https://www.dropbox.com/s/khuxsesvakb5x ... ty.zip.007
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gsqu5ye4056vc ... ty.zip.008
https://www.dropbox.com/s/674xkmq0ykon2 ... ty.zip.009
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gckclyoqehgh4 ... ty.zip.010
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tjx44k3fvocy1 ... ty.zip.011
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qjl5obya591v6 ... ty.zip.012
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qpokukzys5xkf ... ty.zip.013
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p03pphzzb1e08 ... ty.zip.014


https://www.dropbox.com/s/z71i61ugmv96z ... y.zip.par2


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Extra PAR files - you *DONT* need these , unless you've downloaded the files above and its telling you that your missing blocks (and really only if its a small number of blocks)

7 meg : https://www.dropbox.com/s/ynw350t99tc04 ... %2B20.PAR2
14 meg : https://www.dropbox.com/s/qr8rbmiknkyus ... %2B38.PAR2
28 meg : https://www.dropbox.com/s/do1ux967bh0pb ... %2B75.PAR2


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 Post subject: Re: Rev Owen
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Rev Owen memorial quiz is tomorrow night. :)

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** edit ** - okay that wont work since 001 / 002 etc files have an 'extension not allowed' message which means i need to rename them to something else or wait till Grim... is back from the Cottage.


I'm sure Grim will give you direct upload access but in the meantime and generally can't you just stick it Dropbox?


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** edit ** - okay that wont work since 001 / 002 etc files have an 'extension not allowed' message which means i need to rename them to something else or wait till Grim... is back from the Cottage.


I'm sure Grim will give you direct upload access but in the meantime and generally can't you just stick it Dropbox?


Yes I can and i've created a dropbox for it - its uploading now (slowly)


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Okay do we have a volunteer

The top post on this page has all the links (14 files + the Par2) - download them all , along with quickpar (http://www.quickpar.org.uk/) - open the par file and hit the magic button , it should combine everything to a single zip


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Thank you downloading now.


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Sorry not sure if I am doing something wrong but part 8 is coming up with 0 blocks & part 4 only 40 blocks instead of 117?


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Sorry not sure if I am doing something wrong but part 8 is coming up with 0 blocks & part 4 only 40 blocks instead of 117?


Check the file sizes of each (they should be the same ~50 meg) , however if your some blocks short I can upload another few files to fill those in (which is the advantage of doing it with parity files).

The disadvantage is that i cant do anything with them until i get home tonight.


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Sorry not sure if I am doing something wrong but part 8 is coming up with 0 blocks & part 4 only 40 blocks instead of 117?


Check the file sizes of each (they should be the same ~50 meg) , however if your some blocks short I can upload another few files to fill those in (which is the advantage of doing it with parity files).

The disadvantage is that i cant do anything with them until i get home tonight.


Thanks really odd I have re-downloaded both & the file sizes are correct but on Quickpar they are showing less blocks?


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What does the PAR process actually do for you here, over just making a multi-part ZIP or RAR file?


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What does the PAR process actually do for you here, over just making a multi-part ZIP or RAR file?


It creates some redundant files that can be used to restore partial or missing parts (*)

So from the screenshot - there are 194 blocks needed to finish the archive , I can re-upload the parts which are wrong or corrupted but they might get corrupted or damaged again , or I can upload 194 blocks worth of 'par files' , and they can be used to make up the missing bits.

I'd say if you've tried again then its gone wrong during the upload - given that part 8 shows as 'zero blocks' - i'll definetly re-upload that one plus something for the other 80 odd blocks - i'll post on here when they are up (later tonight)


(*) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par_Files - have a read


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What does the PAR process actually do for you here, over just making a multi-part ZIP or RAR file?


It creates some redundant files that can be used to restore partial or missing parts (*)

So from the screenshot - there are 194 blocks needed to finish the archive , I can re-upload the parts which are wrong or corrupted but they might get corrupted or damaged again , or I can upload 194 blocks worth of 'par files' , and they can be used to make up the missing bits.

I'd say if you've tried again then its gone wrong during the upload - given that part 8 shows as 'zero blocks' - i'll definetly re-upload that one plus something for the other 80 odd blocks - i'll post on here when they are up (later tonight)


(*) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par_Files - have a read


I've tried a few times over the years to read up on the PAR stuff but can never quite get my head around it. This scenario isn't making it much clearer to be honest; if you've got data that's uploaded badly why would you ever do anything apart from just reupload it? Any other solution just seems weird and complex and means more 'copies' of the same data floating around (i.e. the original corrupt file chunk which is still there plus whatever new PAR files you upload to fix the corruption). I can only assume I'm missing something fundamental with this stuff because it just seems like an insane way to solve the problem which usually means I've totally misunderstood it.


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if you've got data that's uploaded badly why would you ever do anything apart from just reupload it? Any other solution just seems weird and complex and means more 'copies' of the same data floating around (i.e. the original corrupt file chunk which is still there plus whatever new PAR files you upload to fix the corruption). I can only assume I'm missing something fundamental with this stuff because it just seems like an insane way to solve the problem which usually means I've totally misunderstood it.


Okay - i'll try to give a very brief summary here but if you dont get it PM me and we'll not clutter up the thread on it - oh and the reason I know about this is because in the bad old days this was an excellent tool for pirates on newsgroups because there would often be missing files.

I have 600 mb of stuff i want to upload - if i upload that as a single 600mb file the chances of something in there getting corrupted either up or down is high and its an 'all or nothing' type of deal so if its wrong its 600mb every time.

Splitting the files down into smaller chunks (of 50mb) means that if one is corrupted then its just a smaller upload / download for everyone to grab the 'missing' file and its easier both for the uploader or the downloader - that should all be pretty straightforward ?

The 'magic' behind the par files comes when there is a part missing either of a full file or one of the files has a partial corruption on there.

The par files are seen by the system as 'blocks' and it knows it needs (lets keep the numbers simple) 600 blocks to recreate the whole file - when you split out the file you'll get a number of par files with different blocks (say 5 / 10 / 20 / 50) , each one is slightly bigger than the size of just '5' blocks (so in this example if they are 1 meg each the 5 block file is probably more like 7 and the 10 meg will be more like 12) but they can be used to replace *any* missing blocks in the whole file.

So you download the stuff and part 5 is missing , just totally gone , it was 50 blocks so you can download the 50 block 'par' file and it can then recreate that whole file - or you can download 2x20 block par files and a 10 , just as long as you get 50 blocks worth).

*or* you download the files and one of the files is partially corrupted - say file 3 should be 50 blocks but it only shows up as 40 , you can download any par file which contains more than 10 blocks and it will be used to replace the data - so instead of re-downloading another 50 meg you just re-download 12 or so.

Originally I wanted Pars so that i could split the file easily and have a checksum , but if there are 'bad' parts then I can use them to fix things (however in the example here I'll re-upload the totally 'broken' file and probably the partially broken one but Gospvg will just need to download the missing one plus a smaller par file) - oh and yes its probably over complicated for whats happening here but if i just split the files then uploaded them the first report today would have been 'file 4 is broken' and i'd have had to ask someone to re-download it , then i'd have re-uploaded it and assuming it worked then the next message would be 'file 12 is broken' and we'd have gone through the same again


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That makes things a bit clearer at least in terms of how they're used, so thanks for that. The 'magic' part behind them is probably the bit I need to try and understand now because on the surface of it it does seem like impossible magic! I'll read up on that now though and no clutter the thread any further.


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They basically perform the same function as a stripe volume in a RAID array, if that helps.

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Right part 8 and part 4 have been re-uploaded and i've uploaded 3 parity files to the 2nd post - they hopefully wont be needed but if there is still a problem they should be able to replace at least one missing main file


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Thanks re-downloaded parts 4 & 8 & all extracts fine.


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