Be Excellent To Each Other

They should definitely get Jim'll Paint It to do the new flag

i find that hard to believe. Most flags were created long ago, and i'm sure that during those days they cared shit about kids drawing flags.

Cavey, isn't that a fascist symbol?

No, it's the 80s Conservative Party symbol mate.
A bad joke, but not that bad lol.

But that's what he said...

I just knew that was coming, almost said 'wait for it' in my earlier post.

I always read this thread, but I'm especially enjoying Sheldon Cooper presents: Fun with Flags

It's hard to say 'Lion Rampant' without an involuntary childish grin.

WARNING: DAILY MAIL LINK!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dence.html

SECRET GOVERNMENT PAPERS REVEAL 5 MINUTE MSPAINT VERSION OF NEW UK FLAG.

(article from 1st April, BTW)

Well yes. QUITE FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. Not exactly a shocker of a suggested replacement, is it?

no dragons then?

More data driven opinion from the DM on why the vote will be Yes

Only if we're also about to lose Kent and a big chunk of the South East.

I noted Kernow got top dogging in PM's "who else can be devolved" bit this afternoon (about 17:15).like on Radio 4.

Booyah.

George Monbiot and Jay Rayner (who both write for the guardian) have been having a lovely fight on twitter this evening about a monbiot pro independence/anti media article. I fancy that Jay was pissed.

#teamjay

A friend offered me a bet on civil unrest in the event of a 'no' vote. I politely declined, as the bet was too generic and he wouldn't reassure me that he would not incite anything.

Concerned about reports that Miliband had to abandon his walkabout yesterday. I mean, people knew who he is?

Interesting interview with the Chief Counting Officer on the 'Today' programme just now about how the count will work.

3 piles: Aye, Naw and buh?

What sort of time can we expect a result?

I guess by the weekend?

I was speaking with a guy a work (lawyer) who lives in Edinburgh, but works in the UK in the week

He said there is a lot of aggression from Yes voters and many people who are in the No camp are afraid to put a sticker in their windows for fear of a brick coming through it.

He also said that this referendum if it goes to yes will give Salmond the green light to start a negotiation with Westminster, there doesn't appear to be any real detail on that or how long it will take. So I suppose there is plenty Westminster can do to make this drag on and even not happen once the dust has settled from this weeks vote.

When walking through Glasgow last night I came upon a bunch of Yes campaigners and No campaigners on the same corner outside a supermarket and there was no tension or unfriendliness. And that was in the middle of Maryhill.

Aiming for 'breakfast time' on Friday apparently.

Hmm... go to bed with the radio on tomorrow night, or set up the camp bed in the living room? Decisions, decisions...

They weren't very nice to Miliband yesterday

The process of negotiations in case of Yes is slated to take around 18 months, isn't it? Enough to take it past the next General Election over here.

Yeah, the timetable is such that the whole of the current UK would vote in the next general election just because it's that time, and then once Scotland had officially broken away that would trigger another rUK general election.

I reckon a solid yes would trigger a very early election to be honest. Why dither?

I'm quite impressed you'd go to such lengths. No doubt a huge proportion of Yes voters will be drunk in the evening with Friday being a write-off. I'll be going to bed at the normal time because whatever happens I've got shit to do on Friday. I suppose I should just vote Yes and then sit back and wait for my free money and utopian prosperity to roll in as promised.

I agree with this entirely. There simply isn't the abusive aggression on the No side, and SNP attempts to paint it as a six-of-one situation are a blatant lie.

A general election early next year is going to be messy bullshit. Why should I cast a vote for a Scottish MP to sit in a parliament it's seceding from? Why should England, Wales, and NI allow the election of MPs who will be able to sit and vote on UK issues that no longer concern them? It blackens my tongue to make such musings as if they have the possibility of happening. I still think No will carry it.

I dunno, that was the timetable I saw somewhere, let me see if I can back that up...

Because you've just changed the law to have fixed terms instead of it being the decision of the sitting government?

I despise dithering

The new law prevents dithering and sets the election date in stone.

You do have to cheer the ability of a government to legislate for a fixed term parliament for the first time ever to counter fucking around with terms for political gain, and then during the term of that parliament also create the circumstances where the reasons for varying the length of said term are potentially more valid than they have ever been.

Top notch subtitle work on this thread by the way, Kern.

I'd say sets in clay, really. There's absolutely nothing preventing Parliament from passing a new law that says 'yeah, but EXCEPT for 2015, as that would be dicey. Let's have it in 2016 instead!' Or simply repealing the nonsense altogether…

Isn't it races, not nations. Or was that deemed racist?

I meant the fact that it's been changing appropriately every few days

Oh right, I hadn't noticed

I always thought it was nations. But I can't stand that dirge, other than the verse about frustrating their knavish tricks (which ends with 'God save us all')

Thanks.

It's interesting to hear you say that as we had a supplier in today from Scotland, and the subject of the referendum naturally came up in passing (not with me, I was just earwigging). She kind of looked nervous and then laughed and said she was looking forward to voting but it was quite a nervous time. She then said, actually, it was nice being able to talk about it as she wants Scotland to stay part of the UK and the atmosphere where she lives and works at the moment makes her feel like she can't say or publicly support the viewpoint. She said the Yes voters in her workplace were being so bullish in their views that she purposefully booked meetings in England to meet the places they supply because she was finding going to work difficult and that it felt quite oppressive as she felt like she couldn't discuss her views. And she sounded so nervous saying all this that I felt like I wanted to go and put my arms around her (but I couldn't, as I was only earwigging).

That's awful Meems, but to my mind at least that is the very essence of Nationalism, the nature of the beast. It's not a nice business, after all.

They'll be laughing the other side of their faces in 48 hours, you mark my words. Man, I reckon we'll hear all grievance, moaning, gnashing of teeth and whining on about 'teh biased media' and 'traitors who dared vote no' from Cheshire - just as Mrs C and I are tucking into our second celebratory bottle of DP, hopefully. Perhaps they should've thought about making an actual comprehensive, sound and detailed case for separation, then, instead of spouting endless bollocks on Twitter etc; they've had long enough so to do, and every fair opportunity to do it.

It's going to be delicious; the waiting is now (finally) over. Here we go!

All the confidence! I will be watching from afar, drinking bourbon in NC, but will be hoping for a similar outcome! (though with perhaps a little less relish )

Well, you know me Peter - my confidence and optimism knows no bounds and besides, I'm a relish kinda guy!

Like your style though; drinking bourbon in NC sounds rather better than even my plans.


Cavey

https://mobile.twitter.com/nmj25/status/510523429611925504/photo/1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29176884

Yes Vs No thing

I don't know about other areas, but there has been nothing (or little enough that you don't hear about it) like that happening here. I've got a few friends that are No voters, and a few that are Yes. I'm perfectly happy to ignore the fact that we've got differing opinions on the referendum, and so are they. I've seen quite a few No signs in windows and they haven't had any broken. I don't understand why people in other places would feel the need to act like that. Show your opinion, sure. But don't try to force it on other people. (I've been out with Yes North Ayrshire and Yes East Ayrshire a few times delivering leaflets, and I have to admit I just ignore the houses with No posters in their windows.)

On Saturday past, I was down the street and there was a better together guy there. He took one look at me and laughed a bit saying "I guess there's no point trying to talk you around, eh?" I just laughed, shaking my head, and we both went on our way. (Was wearing a yes badge)

I can quite honestly say I have seen nothing of the kind of stuff I keep hearing here. It's been a very good natured debate in my area. (And East Ayrshire, from what I've seen when I've been there)

That's nice for you cookie, but sadly my perception of the debate was tainted early on by a whole host of aggressive and abusive cybernats. It was funny to see how their tack changed early on when it became clear that blatant anti-English racism wasn't going to unite the country behind them, and went for the much safer and popular Westminster and Tory bashing.

Since then it's been the same litany of thin arguments repeated as nauseum, with undertones of aggression and abuse throughout.

Of course, lots of people aren't like this. You clearly aren't like that and I applaud you for it, but I never really felt like there was a friendly chat to be had. As soon as I've outed myself as No, people have merely attempted to wither me into submission with the endless repetition of SNP propaganda.

Tomorrow I will vote no with British pride in my heart, combined only with the desire to see Scotland be as prosperous as it can be.

On the various other social networks I frequent, I've only really seen yes folk. Some of them were rather rabid, to be fair. God help you if you posted anything that didn't 100% advocate independence.

Aye. Twitter has been a constant yes barrage for me.

Fix

There is a definite sense that many people who say they're voting yes only do so to avoid the grief from invasive, bullying twats that would harass them to death otherwise. Fair assumption many of them will be voting a firm no in the safety of the ballot box.