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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 17:55 
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Someone should make "Filmerscore" where you get numbers next to your name for watching DVD extras.


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It's what I would choose to have in the iPhone, too. I think this sort of "managed multitasking" is the right answer on a mobile device.


I think it's a really interesting option. What will be more interesting is seeing how much 3rd party devs will be able to take advantage of the functionality.

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It's amusing how similar this is to the iPhone in so many ways that, in the past, the iPhone has been criticised for.


It's incredibly similar, and I have (from discussions today) been left with absolutely no doubt that this is, like the iPhone, a 100% consumer-focused device. Not that that is much of a surprise.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Someone should make "Filmerscore" where you get numbers next to your name for watching DVD extras.

DVD extras are kind of silly, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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So are a lot of achievements.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I think it's quite an interesting approach, and certainly an improvement over just having a little '1' in the corner of the icon, but whether it quite ventures into the realm of being multitasking, I'm not sure.
It's what I would choose to have in the iPhone, too. I think this sort of "managed multitasking" is the right answer on a mobile device. Oh, Microsoft have some sort of background music streaming solution planned, too, apparently. All good stuff.

It's amusing how similar this is to the iPhone in so many ways that, in the past, the iPhone has been criticised for.


If it means people are starting to understand that a phone shouldn't have an OS and so on that mimics a PC then thats progress really.

The idea of having an app in android to free up the memory your multitasking apps are using seems ri-cock-ulous. Though I'm sure android will fix it eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Someone should make "Filmerscore" where you get numbers next to your name for watching DVD extras.


When the GF sells her car I'm going to padlock the boot and sell the key as 'on disk' DLC.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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What car would windows phone be if it was a car? Car? Or in a pub?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Someone should make "Filmerscore" where you get numbers next to your name for watching DVD extras.

DVD extras are kind of silly, though.


Filmerscore is a good name for people DVD collections that consist of 'Films they'll never watch again until one day they stumble across it on ITV and end up watching the 2nd half, but like to keep because it makes the shelves look impressive to visitors'

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Biggest "why did they do that" moment I've had with WP7S yet: Zune and the phone OS don't have a unified app store. The iPod Touch is a huge win for Apple; it's allows them to sell iPhone OS devices to people who don't or won't buy an expensive contract mobile phone. I can't understand why Microsoft rejected that angle.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Biggest "why did they do that" moment I've had with WP7S yet: Zune and the phone OS don't have a unified app store. The iPod Touch is a huge win for Apple; it's allows them to sell iPhone OS devices to people who don't or won't buy an expensive contract mobile phone. I can't understand why Microsoft rejected that angle.


Or going by the school I'm currently in, can't yet by an expensive contract, but now know who they will be getting...

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Biggest "why did they do that" moment I've had with WP7S yet: Zune and the phone OS don't have a unified app store. The iPod Touch is a huge win for Apple; it's allows them to sell iPhone OS devices to people who don't or won't buy an expensive contract mobile phone. I can't understand why Microsoft rejected that angle.


It does mean tying your music player platform into similar hardware refresh cycles to your phone platform. Considering they won't have a single manufacturer for WP7, but they do for the Zune, I can see reasons to avoid linking them.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I think the idea that some games are more 'properer' than others and so 'deserve' more 'gamerpoints' to be amazingly abstract, meta and messed up.

I'm only talking in the terms of what we already have. 1000GS for retail releases and 200GS for XBLA games. If Chinatown Wars was upscaled resolution-wise, it would easily sit well alongside stuff like Battlefield 1943 and Darwinia+.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Holy shit, it looks more like an iPhone every day. It won't have copy and paste. WTF?!


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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There's no way I'd buy a phone without copy and paste. It's a dealbreaker.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I didn't really understand the need for Copy & Paste until it arrived. Now I use it all the time, but more specifically, I use the iPhone's ability to highlight text. Formatting replies on this forum without it was a nightmare!


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Holy shit, it looks more like an iPhone every day. It won't have copy and paste. WTF?!


That's not the only thing that makes it look like an old iPhone. Under NDA unfortunately, but suffice to say I am displeased.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Holy shit, it looks more like an iPhone every day. It won't have copy and paste. WTF?!


That's not the only thing that makes it look like an old iPhone. Under NDA unfortunately, but suffice to say I am displeased.


There's an Apple logo covered up by a sticker on the back, isn't there. I knew it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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There's no way I'd buy a phone without copy and paste. It's a dealbreaker.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Biggest "why did they do that" moment I've had with WP7S yet: Zune and the phone OS don't have a unified app store. The iPod Touch is a huge win for Apple; it's allows them to sell iPhone OS devices to people who don't or won't buy an expensive contract mobile phone. I can't understand why Microsoft rejected that angle.


Looks like that's exactly what they are doing. The Zune HD2 will be the WP7's iPod Touch:

http://gizmodo.com/5489587/zune-hd2-wil ... or-suckers

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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The Zune HD2 will be the WP7's iPod Touch:
OK, good, that makes sense. But my god:

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ZuneHD owners have been shafted in a rather uncool manner. The device is less than six months old.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I just realised -- they just Osborned the ZuneHD.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Holy shit, it looks more like an iPhone every day. It won't have copy and paste. WTF?!

viewtopic.php?p=381885#p381885

Still, it's got a while before it comes out, so they might change their mind (even if it has been super-mega-double-confirmed). Have they been dumb enough to say that it "won't need copy and paste" yet?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Have they been dumb enough to say that it "won't need copy and paste" yet?
Yeah, I saw that quote somewhere, Microsoft Dude of some type says "copy and paste isn't imoprtant".


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I must admit, I've used copy and paste a total of once on the iPhone, and only then because I didn't realise you could forward text messages (which would have been easier).


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I don't think it's a dealbreaker. I didn't feel the iPhone was fatally flawed without it. But I do think it's much more than a nice-to-have; I use it a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I don't get it, is copy and paste a really difficult thing to implement? Why wouldn't you include it?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I don't think it's a dealbreaker. I didn't feel the iPhone was fatally flawed without it. But I do think it's much more than a nice-to-have; I use it a lot.

Quite. Obviously I wasn't exactly being serious with my earlier comment, having bought a 2G iPhone pre-v2 firmware.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I don't get it, is copy and paste a really difficult thing to implement? Why wouldn't you include it?


My understanding is that a lot of it is down to the app segregation/sandboxing. Because you run the apps in a dedicated "mini-VM", there's some thought that needs to go into how you build a buffer that persists across apps without breaking the integrity of that sandbox.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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But shirley, if Nokia can manage it, Microsoft with there much stricter app control, and there, well being one of the biggest software developers in the world, can do so also. And does Windows 6.5 have CaP?


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6.5 does, but it doesn't have app segregation. It's just like your desktop, you can install an app that talks to another app no problem. You can't do that on an iPhone or WP7. That said, I don't think it's actually technically that difficult, it's just something you'd have to design from scratch rather than using some existing code.

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Heh. I work for a bank. We have more developers than MS do.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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That said, I don't think it's actually technically that difficult, it's just something you'd have to design from scratch rather than using some existing code.
It's not so bad when you restrict the things you can cut and paste -- note that the iPhone's buffer can only handle unformatted text and JPGs, for example. But there's also UI issues around how you build the feature on a touchscreen device that are probably harder to solve than the technical ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Looks like it'll be there, just not at launch (sound familiar?)

http://www.istartedsomething.com/201003 ... ventually/

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I saw that. I think it's fan-made though, not official?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I saw that. I think it's fan-made though, not official?


Correct.

WinPoPad7?

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/wind ... lete-guide

A good round-up of the news so far.

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Apps aren't simply killed off after the user stops using them, though. The platform supports "page states," which Microsoft equates to cookies on websites -- they're lightweight packages that can easily be kept in memory to preserve the look, feel, and data of an app while discarding the memory-heavy UI elements. When a user navigates away from a screen within an app, the page state is committed to memory; when it's needed again, the UI is reconstructed from the state, a process cleverly called "dehydration" and "rehydration."
This is EXACTLY WHAT PALM OS DID A DECADE AGO and SHOULD NOT BE NEW NEWS, APPLE.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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By cheap I mean that any piss-poor phone app can now provide people with a max.

Some might say that playing shit like Avatar for an easy 1,000GS is cheapening achievements, though.
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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I heard from someone that had a hands on with it that copy and paste is sort of in, but done a but differently.

You select text, the in looks at it, and give you options of how to use it. If it is an adress, it might have "search for on bing maps" as option number 1, "insert into message" as option number 2, and so on.
For a phone number it might have "ring" or "add to contacts" and so on.

Seems like a good idea, if done well.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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That's how the iPhone v1 did it, more or less. Phone numbers would be in blue and when you tapped it you get a pop-up with "add to contacts", "call", "SMS", and so forth. The WP7S implementation sounds a little richer but it's still not remotely copy-and-paste.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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It's not copy and paste at all, it's just context-sensitive actions.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I'm tentatively interested in making my next upgrade be to a Windows 7 phone, there's plenty of stuff in there to interest me - and having an iPad means I wouldn't be locked out of that platform.

Fairly in-depth reviews of the preview handsets are now available:
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The only thing stopping me getting an android phone right now is wanting a W7 phone.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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Early previews do look good, I have a few reservations (like the non-optional barfing up of Facebook contacts all over your phone). I think it'll live or die by the app support, and we won't really know that until mid-2011 or so.


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That interests me actually -- who would buy this during launch month, and who would want to take a wait-and-see approach to the applications?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows Phone 7
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I would buy early - because I'm not interested so much in side-apps on my phone, I'm more interested with the core ones that will be in there at launch or very shortly after.

It can get fucked with the Facebook stuff. It's the same moronic idea as Buzz. My Twitter audience, facebook contacts, XBL friends, and actual family aren't the same people believe it or not, morons.

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