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Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:23 ]
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Cras wrote:
iPad sales probably haven't hit saturation point, sure.

Tablet sales are plummeting in general - the iPad is not immune to this.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:47 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Cras wrote:
iPad sales probably haven't hit saturation point, sure.

Tablet sales are plummeting in general - the iPad is not immune to this.

https://twitter.com/BBCRoryCJ/status/56 ... 77472?s=09

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:29 ]
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The first page of this thread is hilarious.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:36 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
The first page of this thread is hilarious.

I think you'll find I backed it from the get-go.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:39 ]
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Cras wrote:
Here's a question though - where's the money actually coming from? The first world hit saturation in 'everyone has a smartphone' a while back, and the third world don't buy iPhones. Market stats don't suggest that everyone is ditching their current phones for an iPhone. So they will be making a massive whack in turnover of old phones for new, but that should have been fairly constant for a few years at least. So what's doing it? iTunes? iPad sales probably haven't hit saturation point, sure. So I can see apple making a solid profit, but these numbers?


I would guess a lot of people held off updating phones that were out of contract so they could get the 6?

People are saying it was record demand for the new IPhone, the last 2 quarters profits were around $ 8 Billion.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:42 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
The first page of this thread is hilarious.

I think you'll find I backed it from the get-go.

Future Warrior wrote:
I'm not sure I see the point of it.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:45 ]
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You can prove anything with historical records of fact.

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:45 ]
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Cras wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
The first page of this thread is hilarious.

I think you'll find I backed it from the get-go.

Future Warrior wrote:
I'm not sure I see the point of it.

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Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:57 ]
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Cras wrote:
Here's a question though - where's the money actually coming from? The first world hit saturation in 'everyone has a smartphone' a while back,
But everyone's replacing them every two years, so saturation still looks like big sales, not no sales.

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and the third world don't buy iPhones.
Apple sold a fuckton in China, almost as many as the US according to some analysts. And the larger screened iPhones have unlocked parts of the market in places like Korea who wouldn't previously have considered iPhones.

Quote:
Market stats don't suggest that everyone is ditching their current phones for an iPhone.
It's all iPhones. iPad is down, seemingly because tablets are on a 3-5 year replacement cycle which is curbing growth.

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:58 ]
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Wait, I'm not really paying attention. Are they claiming to have sold 74.5m iphones since January 1st?

Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 13:00 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Wait, I'm not really paying attention. Are they claiming to have sold 74.5m iphones since January 1st?

It's the last three months isn't it? Since the 6/6+ were released.

Author:  Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 14:33 ]
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Dr Lave wrote:
LewieP wrote:
GazChap wrote:
No multitasking is gonna fuck students right over. Want to take notes while looking up things on Wikipedia? Tough shit, son!

That's why you get one of these in addition to an iPhone. One device per task.


Multitasking I genuinely don't miss on the iPhone. Apps do their purposes and it takes a negligible time to load any one. Dropping out of twittie and into another app takes neglibly more time than minimising and maximising a window. Of course that argument goes out the window if the instant starts of the iPhone go missing with the iPad.

What I do miss massively is backgrounding processes. I want tiny tasks that can be set in the background. Things like androids 'locate' and so on.

That said, I would rather a quick mono-task device than a sluggish multitasker.

Oooh, just thought, a central app like OS X's 'Growl' that runs in the background. Apps can send requests for context/location/event circumstance to cause something to happen and growl runs to take care of them. That would be the best of both worlds.


This is from page 2. Where's my 6 figure salary to be an analyst or something!?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 17:49 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Wait, I'm not really paying attention. Are they claiming to have sold 74.5m iphones since January 1st?
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014. And it's not "claiming" as this came from an SEC financial filing; lying on that sends you directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect £200. It'll be an accurate figure.

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 17:57 ]
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That's a lot of phones.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 18:27 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
And it's not "claiming" as this came from an SEC financial filing

Well, it is.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 18:41 ]
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I'm sure no company has ever lied on their filings to the government before :D

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 0:52 ]
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Sure, Apple has lied loads on its SEC filings.

[citation needed]

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:06 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014.


What in the actual fuck?

Author:  myp [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:38 ]
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Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014.


What in the actual fuck?

They dance to their own tune.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:45 ]
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It'll doubtless be related to some sort of tax dodging douchebaggery. If they didn't pay cut rate taxes in Ireland would they still have broken the records?

Author:  myp [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:47 ]
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markg wrote:
It'll doubtless be related to some sort of tax dodging douchebaggery. If they didn't pay cut rate taxes in Ireland would they still have broken the records?

Amazon paying cut rate taxes in Luxembourg didn't help them sell many Fire Phones.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:51 ]
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I'll grant you that Amazon are also a scummy company but one that is less good at selling phones.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 15:44 ]
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Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014.


What in the actual fuck?

How is it possible that you don't understand how accounting periods work?

Author:  myp [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 15:47 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014.


What in the actual fuck?

How is it possible that you don't understand how accounting periods work?

HP's starts on 1st Nov.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 15:58 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
It's 1Q15 of Apple's financial year, which started in the fourth week of September 2014.


What in the actual fuck?

How is it possible that you don't understand how accounting periods work?


Fiscal 1Q15 starting at Calendar 4Q14 I can totally understand, but the week before?

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 16:03 ]
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52/53 week 'years' are not uncommon. Allows you to always have a year-end close on a friday, for example, which is very useful for businesses with significant amounts of stock that needs to be counted/audited at a fixed point in time.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 16:07 ]
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Huh. I totally failed the accounting module in my degree.

Author:  LaceSensor [ Thu Jan 29, 2015 17:57 ]
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i just got an air2, its swish. much swisher than the ipad2 it replaced...

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 18:44 ]
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Ipad pro, the same... But bigger!

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 19:39 ]
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The initial reaction to the announcement at the start of the thread is always an amusing read :D

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 0:06 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Ipad pro, the same... But bigger!

I don't really see the point. From the accessories and size, they're obviously trying to compete with the Surface Pro, but I think they'd have been better with it running a version of OSX rather than iOS.

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:03 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
The initial reaction to the announcement at the start of the thread is always an amusing read :D

Dimrill wrote:
Your life is worth less than this device.

Still as true now as it ever was.

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:08 ]
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Three years old.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:29 ]
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It'll sell millions, and millions more than the Surface Pro, but iPad Pro fails as a genuine surface competitor on a fundamental - No built in kickstand and a flat keyboard. In fact the utilisation of the smart keyboard to provide a (non variable angle kickstand) is what forces the keyboard to be a flat keyboard. They've gone for form factor over utility on that front. Given that one of the main improvements from SP1 to SP3 has been cited as that feature/features, it's surprising that they have done the same thing.

Also, and this is more trivial - the pencil has nowhere to go and as far as I can see no attempt at a solution to this. On the Surface there are three options - two official (magnetic - not strong, and the penloop which I've never tried) but there is also the penclip over the top which can hook onto the typecover fold easily and actually keeps it very secure, which MS don't 'promote'.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:29 ]
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Haha amaze!

[edit] @ Myp's cartoon

Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:33 ]
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Does the stylus come with the iPad? I read the stylus will cost $99 but it didn't say whether you'll have to buy it separately, mind you, I was looking for iPhone 6S stuff so I only skim read the article.

Author:  TheVision [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:35 ]
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I'm sorry.. I thought you said $99 for a stylus then. Must have been my mistake.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:05 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
Does the stylus come with the iPad? I read the stylus will cost $99 but it didn't say whether you'll have to buy it separately, mind you, I was looking for iPhone 6S stuff so I only skim read the article.


I'm pretty sure you need to buy it separately if you want it.

For me the fundamental flaw in the new iPad is that it runs iOS. If you're going to go with that size/cost then a device that doesn't run a proper desktop OS just doesn't stack up well against the Surface. Yes, iOS has versions of a lot of software like Office etc but it doesn't have and do everything so why compromise? iOS, like Android, is still an OS for consumption and if you need to create it just doesn't measure up. I dunno, I'm sure I'm missing a trick here but it just seems to push iOS into a space it's not suitable for which is a weird decision. If there's a desire for capable Apple devices in that form factor then they need to design OSX for touch and slap that on something, but this isn't that.

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:10 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
Does the stylus come with the iPad? I read the stylus will cost $99 but it didn't say whether you'll have to buy it separately, mind you, I was looking for iPhone 6S stuff so I only skim read the article.


I'm pretty sure you need to buy it separately if you want it.

For me the fundamental flaw in the new iPad is that it runs iOS. If you're going to go with that size/cost then a device that doesn't run a proper desktop OS just doesn't stack up well against the Surface. Yes, iOS has versions of a lot of software like Office etc but it doesn't have and do everything so why compromise? iOS, like Android, is still an OS for consumption and if you need to create it just doesn't measure up. I dunno, I'm sure I'm missing a trick here but it just seems to push iOS into a space it's not suitable for which is a weird decision. If there's a desire for capable Apple devices in that form factor then they need to design OSX for touch and slap that on something, but this isn't that.

Yeah, I would probably agree with that. But then they'd probably be eating too much into MacBook Air sales so...

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:16 ]
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viewtopic.php?p=373576#p373576

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:20 ]
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Grim... wrote:
http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=373576#p373576

So have you got a Surface Pro then?

-edit- you also said this, so good work on 1-for-2.

viewtopic.php?p=373635#p373635

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:20 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Yeah, I would probably agree with that. But then they'd probably be eating too much into MacBook Air sales so...

True, but why not combine the lines? And a device of sufficient size could contain ipad and MacBook components, judging by the size of the 2015 Macbook's motherboard.

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:22 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Yeah, I would probably agree with that. But then they'd probably be eating too much into MacBook Air sales so...

True, but why not combine the lines? And a device of sufficient size could contain ipad and MacBook components, judging by the size of the 2015 Macbook's motherboard.

I think that's the plan. OS X has become more and more iOSified over the last few years. I suspect they'll merge at some point.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:26 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Grim... wrote:
http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=373576#p373576

So have you got a Surface Pro then?

Yup, a Pro 3 256GB i7. And an iPad 1 ;)

Future Warrior wrote:
-edit- you also said this, so good work on 1-for-2.

viewtopic.php?p=373635#p373635

I was surprised. 2 for 2!

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:29 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Grim... wrote:
http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=373576#p373576

So have you got a Surface Pro then?

Yup, a Pro 3 256GB i7. And a iPad 1 ;)

Future Warrior wrote:
-edit- you also said this, so good work on 1-for-2.

viewtopic.php?p=373635#p373635

I was surprised. 2 for 2!

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:30 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Grim... wrote:
http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=373576#p373576

So have you got a Surface Pro then?

Yup, a Pro 3 256GB i7. And a iPad 1 ;)

Haha!

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:34 ]
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Oddly my post missed my comment about Grim... keeping his surface quiet after he mocked my stylus.

Author:  myp [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:35 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
Oddly my post missed my comment about Grim... keeping his surface quiet after he mocked my stylus.

He mocked the iPad and bought one too, so it seems to be an alarming trend.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:38 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
Oddly my post missed my comment about Grim... keeping his surface quiet after he mocked my stylus.

The stylus should indeed be mocked. I think it's in my pen holder at work, where it's been since I got it.

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:38 ]
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I bet he's got a pair of crocs, too.

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