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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 13:43 
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Got the Turtle Beach fitted.

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I believe they call this pornography.

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Took a lot of digging and fiddling around to get those running properly/smoothly.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 17:04 
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I admire your dedication to the cause :) Never did get on with Daytona but the original Sega Rally remains a true arcade racer masterpiece, I remember me and my brother duelling each other over an extended Christmas/New Year visit when he was over one year in the late 90s, and we ended up trying to shave hundredths of a second of each other's race times. (This was on the Saturn version.)

I never bothered with the PC versions of these games at the time, simply because I already had a Saturn and the Saturn versions of the games, and PC gaming was a bit (lol) shonky, what with Windows 95/98 and early iterations of DirectX and the whole thing generally being a blue screen fiesta of disaster. PC gaming was something you did because it was the only place to get stuff like Command & Conquer Red Alert, not because it was your preferred platform......

Back to my spod-land, just for the sake of interest I chucked the CinebenchR15 benchmark at my old PC and my new PC, since they're both fully operational and it's a chance to get a direct comparison of CPU performance between the old i7-920 and the new Ryzen 1700X (the kind of stats that aren't generally available even on THE BIG INTERNETS because it's a relatively obscure comparison to do).

Anyway, you can see below the results. There are:

Single threaded performance for both CPUs, so this is the raw processing power of a single CPU core. I was pleased to see Ryzen considerably faster than the old i7 (about 50%), which of course it should be as it's nearly 10 years newer, but then again it's well known that Intel's architecture has better IPC than Ryzen, but I guess the i7-920 is just too damn old now. It'd be interesting to see numbers for newer i5/i7s. (Although the Ryzen does have a 400MHz speed advantage, so on raw IPC the individual cores really aren't miles apart.)

Quad-threaded performance for both CPUs, as expected the Ryzen is well ahead here but not massively so, less differential than between the single threaded tests.

16-threaded performance from the Ryzen, which needless to say blows the old i7 out of the water.

To be totally fair I should go into the BIOS on the old PC and enable hyper-threading so it can at least have a crack with 8 threads, but it's not got a monitor attached to it or anything else (literally just a power cable and a network cable), so I can't be bothered with that.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 17:46 
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D'oh Mrs Hearthly and Jnr both have i5-4690s in their PCs, far more modern iterations of the i5/i7 lines. They're running at 3.5GHz.

1-thread result - 160 (versus 150 for Ryzen)

4-thread result - 584 (versus 491 for Ryzen)

So a single more modern Haswell Intel core (Haswell was released in 2014) at 3.5GHz, kicks a bit harder than a single Ryzen core at 3.8GHz.

TBH this is about what I was expecting, I've placed a bet with choosing Ryzen that the future of gaming is more cores, not more clock frequency.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 17:57 
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The laughable thing about the Sega PC games is that they were unplayable at launch. The hardware to run them simply did not exist, so if you were an early adopter (like me) you were let down. Virtua Fighter was playable in a tiny window but yeah, Sega Rally and Daytona? forget it. It wasn't until about four years later (around '99) that you could finally max them out and man it was worth the wait. They both use Direct X. Daytona was on DX3 (lmao) and Rally DX5. However, neither of them used Direct3D or DirectDraw so you have to disable it and leave the page open in DXDIAG to get them working smoothly, without them going from 10-100 FPS repetitively. I have even bought this thing too :D

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In flawless as new condition for £7 inc. Set it up today, works a treat (that was partially why I wanted the Santa Cruz as it has a game port). Had loads of fun with this project. It's been so cheap too. The brand new GPU was the most expensive single part at a whopping £14.55. Mobo CPU and RAM were £20 etc. Kept me busy too, and I still have a meter of these things coming :D

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Your Ryzen looks about perfect. Some of the guys on the forums I visit have hit 1700 and more in CB but only on 1800X oddly. No one seems to know why, the clock speeds are no higher :S weird eh? My 14c 28T Broadwell Xeon hits around 2100. That's at the full 14 core clock of 2.8ghz. I was in a bit of a weird situ as I already had 16gb quad channel DDR4 2133 (pretty useless for Ryzen, you want 3200 on two sticks really) so it meant not only buying a Ryzen 1700 and a B350 Strix but also more ram. And I was loathe to, because I had paid £60 for memory coolers for mine. The Xeon was £360 (less than a 1800x by quite a bit) and I splashed out on a new board (X99 SLi Plus by MSI) because it was in the Amazon Warehouse for £110. So I spent less on this kit than it would have cost me to go Ryzen and it's quite a chunk ahead when threading.

On 4 cores it clocks to 3.1ghz, which works out about the same speed as my old 5820k. Which I ran stock, because on an Alienware you need to apply the OC every time you boot Windows and that happened about three times before I got bored of it. It's faster though, being Broadwell E over Haswell. Once I finally get done messing about with PCs I want to go bac k to VMware and reinstate my PC as a MAC and god knows what else I used to play with. Hence all the cores...

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 18:02 
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D'oh Mrs Hearthly and Jnr both have i5-4690s in their PCs, far more modern iterations of the i5/i7 lines. They're running at 3.5GHz.

1-thread result - 160 (versus 150 for Ryzen)

4-thread result - 584 (versus 491 for Ryzen)

So a single more modern Haswell Intel core (Haswell was released in 2014) at 3.5GHz, kicks a bit harder than a single Ryzen core at 3.8GHz.

TBH this is about what I was expecting, I've placed a bet with choosing Ryzen that the future of gaming is more cores, not more clock frequency.


That's pretty strange. Maybe it's the clock speed? I know that Ryzen should be around Broadwell IPC so that is strange that Haswell is ahead.

The future of gaming is really all about GPUs. Next consoles will come with Navi, which means Mgpu which means we will finally get dual/quad core GPUs. AMD officially ditched Crossfire X recently btw.. Not that I needed telling, I was the mug who bought two Fury X *doh*.

But yeah, AMD are all about Infinity Fabric now and GPUs are next..

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 18:29 
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Hey Hearty I saw your exact PC box with all the lights and fans at a stand at EGX and did a little spaff in my undercrackers.

Then I saw a £5500 PC with the liquid cooling pipes and junk and wiped my genitals on it.


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:03 
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Hey Hearty I saw your exact PC box with all the lights and fans at a stand at EGX and did a little spaff in my undercrackers.


Yeah it's somewhat ubiquitous at the moment, several PC builders (including Scan) are featuring it in their advertisements in Custom PC and PC Pro for their systems, and are also supplying review PCs in the case as well. (Either the 460X RGB or its big brother the 570X RGB.)

It's quite understandable IMO, I think it's hands-down the nicest looking PC case I've ever seen, even in its 'basic' form with just the three RGB fans in the front with the two tempered glass panels.

Populate it with MORE SHINIES as I have, and I think it's getting into the realms of being trouser quivering. Entirely subjective of course, most of the chaps at work think it's a gaudy abomination and one chap commented that it looked like a spaceship from a Spielberg film had landed in our lounge.

Then again you only need to look at the car I'm driving around in at the moment to see I'm clearly in the grips of some sort of dreadful midlife crisis.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 13:46 
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With a good clean and lube up this should be fun :D never had one before.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:41 
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I used to have one of those, was a very good wheel as memory serves. Played the original Midtown Madness with it, and one of the first TOCA games, amongst others.

Strong force feedback.

Had to plug it into the back of the soundcard I think through the gameport thingy? As was the style of the times.

Yours appears to have a USB connector so maybe mine was an older variant, or I'm imagining the gameport connection.

825/1000 - Would wheel again.

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I remember selling those at Game. Proper expensive they were if I remember rightly.

I once gave my friend a 'Rock Bottom' into the display of them.


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Yeah this one is USB. I couldn't find a game port one, then I realised I would have to disconnect the game pad so USB was probably better any way. Looks like it needs a good clean up and I will use my RC car teflon oil (for shocks) as it worked a treat on the front panel of one of my PCs (it was squeaking etc). Midtown Madness eh? *flick flick flick*....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 15:40 
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haha I don't it's 3 CDs mush :)

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Why do you have 3 cds?

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Because that is how many you need to install the game.

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Why didn't they use a dvd?

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Why didn't they use a dvd?

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Why didn't they wait until 2004?

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If you think this is bad, you should have seen the size of the box it came in!


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If you think this is bad, you should have seen the size of the box it came in!


rather than doing an obvi-Title, I'll share the most oversized box I purchased during my PC-gaming days. And it was fucking unplayable too.


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Again, from my time at Game, PC boxes were ridiculous but compilation PC boxes were the worst. I remember there being several compilation boxes that were easily over 45cm wide as well as being normal height and width.


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If you think this is bad, you should have seen the size of the box it came in!


At one point I had all of them. Then my ex wife complained that the walk in closet was pretty much floor to ceiling half full of my games. So that is when I bought the 400 (IIRC) binder and deboxed all of them :( *harumph*. I kept all of the inserts and sleeves though, but yeah wish I had all of them now. I even had the ltd ed steelcase Quake 3 for Linux ! All you needed to do was download a 52mb file and it ran on Windows also.

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Populate it with MORE SHINIES as I have, and I think it's getting into the realms of being trouser quivering. Entirely subjective of course, most of the chaps at work think it's a gaudy abomination and one chap commented that it looked like a spaceship from a Spielberg film had landed in our lounge.


How many hard drives will the case take? I went through a few system configs on Scan with this case and it appeared to offer a system and then one more drive?


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Populate it with MORE SHINIES as I have, and I think it's getting into the realms of being trouser quivering. Entirely subjective of course, most of the chaps at work think it's a gaudy abomination and one chap commented that it looked like a spaceship from a Spielberg film had landed in our lounge.


How many hard drives will the case take? I went through a few system configs on Scan with this case and it appeared to offer a system and then one more drive?


2x3.5
3x2.5

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/crystal-se ... tower-case

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair ... ans-usb-30

Not everything you might want is listed in the configurator, for example on my build the only options for extra fans were basic fans, I had to specify the three extra RGB fans as part of the follow-up call. (This was also the case with the RGB RAM, and indeed 3200MHz RAM at that, as the configurator only went up to 2400MHz RAM.)

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DVD has been covered (bottom) in sound deadening. Sides of the CD bay also.

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And slowly it starts going back together.

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Just two panels to design, cut etc.

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It's mostly done now.

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I was right about the desk. It is about the cheapest, well placed wheel stand you can get for £23. Unfortunately you were right Hearth, the steering wheel is a frikkin maniac !

The desk flexes a little back and forth due to its poor construction and whilst this was fine back in 2001 with a regular passive steering wheel this one shakes everything to bits lol. I busted the car on MM last night and it shook so violently that my Ecig fell off the desk :D

Going to have to reinforce it a little I think. I decided to order a separate chair too, as dragging my huge heffer across the cow rug is a PITA.

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Steelcase Let's B. Got it for a great price really. As I managed to cram a headphone amp up on the desk I got one of these.

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To hold a pair of cans.

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I can’t help feel that that ginormous rig (see I’m all about the lingo now) is wasted on that pissy little monitor.


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I can’t help feel that that ginormous rig (see I’m all about the lingo now) is wasted on that pissy little monitor.

It's a retro build, innit?


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