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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:33 
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I still think of my MBA as my new one. Got it in 2013.

Newer than the MB Pro, mind, which I got in 11 or 12. Both working juuust fine.


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 15:20 
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Had the callback from Scan, the chap apologised for the delay in getting back to me and said they've been super-busy, he also said they've got the engineers working overtime to try and catch up so my build should get underway later this week and not next Tuesday.

The only change I've made is to upgrade the 2400 RAM to 3200 RAM, and I made it RGB 3200 RAM whilst I was at it because, y'know, twinkly lights. He did say that the reason they only offer up to 2400 RAM in the system configuration choices for Ryzen is because they've had stability issues above that, but they'll get it running as fast as they can at a stable speed and ship it to me at that speed.

He said the Rev2 ACX EVGA 1080s are totally solid and they've had no problems with them, so spending the extra for the ICX cooler card wasn't necessary.

Beyond that the BIOS on the mobo will get updated to the latest revision as part of the build, and it'll ship with two profiles configured in the BIOS, the overclock profile which might be a bit more aggressive with the fans, and a normal profile configured for the quietest operation possible. (Obviously there's nothing to stop me mucking about with them myself, creating my own profile etc.)

Oh yes and finally, when the build is nearly done they'll upload pictures to my account page, so I can see what it looks like before it's shipped, and if there's anything I want changing before it's shipped, I can flag it up at that point - which is a nifty touch.

TBH I was most impressed, the chap was very knowledgeable, personable, wasn't in any hurry to get me off the phone, and easy to talk to - great personal service.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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I bet he'd give you some great personal service. IN THE BEDROOM, aye?


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 15:35 
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I would certainly swipe right on him.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:01 
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Last requested change, I have asked Scan to remove the standard 120mm exhaust fan I specified, and replace it with 3 x SP120 RGB fans (the same fans it has in the front). These extra fans will be one as a rear exhaust, and two as roof exhausts.

The RGB fan controller built into the case can control 6 fans in total, which is perfect, and the motherboard has 8 (!) fan headers so I'll be able to control the speed of them all with DC from the motherboard.

It'll look something like this, and with all the fans on the same controller any patterns/lighting/effects etc will all be synchronised.

The motherboard also has RGB leds on it, as does the new RAM I've specified, and the graphics card has a white LED on it.

Also here is a video of a lass who's not really my type talking about the case but she is quite nice and it makes a change from nerds like me presenting these videos.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 15:36 
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My PC is now at Stage 6 of the build process, which is '24 hour burn in'.

Also, they have uploaded some pictures of it to my account page so I can see what it looks like.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 16:22 
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5 fans? I'm getting wet here.


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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5 fans? I'm getting wet here.


I would have thought that 5 fans would have quite a drying effect ?

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Depends if the motherboard is water cooled and the pipes burst due to excessive sexiness and water dances hypnotically through the fans over my naked body as I giggle about in slow motion to the theme from Footloose.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 16:34 
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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 17:05 
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Six!

Three at the front, two in the roof, one at the back.

I don't believe in those new-fangled all-in-one water cooler things and refuse to have them in the house, so I have specified a traditional HSF. (Albeit a very good one.)

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 17:23 
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Three at the front, two in the roof, one at the back.


Title.

But also what is the noise output of something like that?

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 17:30 
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Having many fans like that means you can run them far slower, thus it's far quieter overall. My Dianoga build runs about 9 fans? IIRC. Two on the rear radiator, six on the front and then one up in the top. It's near silent running at 7v (mine are not PWM so I have them on a distro switch)

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 18:05 
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Having many fans like that means you can run them far slower, thus it's far quieter overall.


Yes that's very much the idea, I just hope it pans out....

All 6 case fans will be connected to the motherboard, they're supposed to be very quiet fans anyway, and at a lowish speed (controlled from the BIOS) I'm hoping for near-silence from them.

The CPU HSF is effectively silent (big 120mm fan), and the graphics card's fan turns itself off completely when not under load.

Finally, the PSU is specifically marketed as 'silent' and billed as such in Scan's configurator.

So despite the appearance, my hope is that this will be a very quiet PC. It fucking needs to be 'cause I'm sat about six feet away from it when watching films and that.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 18:11 
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Hearthly wrote:
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Having many fans like that means you can run them far slower, thus it's far quieter overall.


Yes that's very much the idea, I just hope it pans out....

All 6 case fans will be connected to the motherboard, they're supposed to be very quiet fans anyway, and at a lowish speed (controlled from the BIOS) I'm hoping for near-silence from them.

The CPU HSF is effectively silent (big 120mm fan), and the graphics card's fan turns itself off completely when not under load.

Finally, the PSU is specifically marketed as 'silent' and billed as such in Scan's configurator.

So despite the appearance, my hope is that this will be a very quiet PC. It fucking needs to be 'cause I'm sat about six feet away from it when watching films and that.


Can you configure PC's from Scan with extra RAM etc. Also, where do you find info on the number of HD you can get the case and other info like USB3?

I'm looking at PC in a case the same as yours with a 5,000 price tag and info is scant! Just looking TBC :)


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 18:30 
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Can you configure PC's from Scan with extra RAM etc. Also, where do you find info on the number of HD you can get the case and other info like USB3?

I'm looking at PC in a case the same as yours with a 5,000 price tag and info is scant! Just looking TBC :)


It's all in their system configurator, it's basically just filling a shopping basket with all the components you want, and then they put it all together for you - but they also only show you components that are sensible matches, so it won't show you CPU coolers that won't fit in the case selection, that sort of thing.

When it comes to RAM, for example, on an Intel build you can specify 8GB all the way up to 128GB, if the motherboard supports it.

AMD - https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator ... pc-amd-am4

INTEL - https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator ... ormance-pc

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 18:47 
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Oh yes and as for technical info on any particular component, there's an 'INFO' button you can press which takes you off to the normal item page for the component you've currently got selected in that 'slot' (case, RAM, CPU, SSD etc), so for my case you get this:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair ... ans-usb-30

Which contains this information, you can see customer reviews there as well.

As the case is such an important component I also watched a load of YouTube videos about it and read a load of reviews too.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 19:41 
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So the beasty arrived on Friday but I didn't get to do anything with it until Saturday because pub, but I have now had three days to muck about with it.

Hats off to Scan for a truly peerless customer experience from start to finish, yes you pay a touch more with them but IMO it's worth it, they must assign any queries/questions about a build to a helpdesk ticket that gets assigned to an individual, because my emails were all answered by the same chap, and my phone call was with him too (very nice guy called Josh).

The build itself is superb, it comes with a hand-checked build sheet, details of the overclock and suchlike. Win10 came fully updated, BIOS on motherboard was the latest revision (released only last month), latest Nvidia drivers, no crapware - literally nothing for me to do except plug it in and turn it on, log in, and start copying my stuff back to it.

They've got the Ryzen 1700X running at 3.8GHz across all 8 cores, the RAM is at 3200MHz with good timings which is great because Ryzen loves fast RAM, the GTX1080 boosts itself up to 2.01GHz (!) all by itself so no tweaking required there.

And the thing is effectively silent, at idle you literally need to put an ear close to the case to hear anything, during an extended gaming session it'll maybe advance to a 'low murmur', it's only when chucking benchmarks at it that the fans will progress to any sort of proper audible level. (I left Unigine Heaven running for an hour whilst I was cooking downstairs, and when I returned the GPU had topped out at 70C and was still auto-boosted to 2.01GHz, which is a phenomenal GPU clock.) The 1080's fans stop spinning completely when it's not doing anything, so it will set itself to passive. The CPU fan is generally seen to be around 450RPM.

As for gaming I've lobbed everything at it and it's chewed everything up, nothing more required than choose the ULTRA preset, 2560x1440 fullscreen, v-sync on, and it refuses to budge from a rock-solid 60FPS. GTAV is supposed to be a worst-case scenario for Ryzen (as the game likes fewer very fast threads with high IPC), but I honestly couldn't get the bugger to drop a single frame. (Of course GPU grunt becomes more important as resolution increases, and I'm at 1440p.)

So yes, very happy with it. A lot of cash to spend on a PC of course, but hopefully this system will do fine for years now.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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That does actually look spectacular. No other word for it... Actually, maybe fabulous will do? Yeah, it's fabulous.


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 21:14 
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Jesus, that's an incredible thing to be fair. How much did it cost you in the end? I looked back through the last few pages of the thread but I couldn't see a final figure posted (unless I'm just being an idiot).


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 22:25 
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Jesus, that's an incredible thing to be fair. How much did it cost you in the end? I looked back through the last few pages of the thread but I couldn't see a final figure posted (unless I'm just being an idiot).


There wasn't really any change from £2500......

Thing is though, I went through many different configurations and even the 'budget' option was coming in at £1800-£1900 (this is to achieve the goal of 2560x1440@60FPS@ULTRA, with enough M2 SSD and SATA SSD storage for OS, applications and all games, and enough high quality HDD storage for everything else, to last for years without any upgrading), so I figured I'd just do the stretch and get exactly the system I wanted.

That said it wasn't 'no holds barred', so I went for a 1700X instead of an 1800X as they're very close in performance when overclocked yet the 1700X is over £100 cheaper, limited the M2 SSD to 250GB, went for a 1080 instead of a 1080Ti, and stuff like that. (Otherwise the price was quite easily tipping up over £3000, and I'd set myself a £2500 limit.)

I also wanted a very quiet system so chose the case, PSU and fans on that basis, and also a motherboard that could control them all properly.

It's twelve full years since I last bought an entire new PC, so I figured it was worth getting the one I wanted.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 23:33 
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Lovely tidy build - looks good.

Also, nice hearth, Hearthly. Am I the only one that finds the backgrounds to photos (eg what's on the shelf) quite interesting?

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That does actually look spectacular. No other word for it... Actually, maybe fabulous will do? Yeah, it's fabulous.


:this:

That's is a really nice looking machine, love that case :)

My current PC is a long term loan from work, a test workstation we built to prove the worth of GPU processing for some mad scientists at work. They soon moved onto a more enterprise solution that is now 200 1080i in one farm.

It was sat gathering dust so I grabbed it, its now starting to annoy me around little things like USB and performance issues, I could rebuild it but really need to dump it back at work, so new PC is required

Will go for this case, but need to get leaking roof and some other money eating jobs done on the house first.


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Also, nice hearth, Hearthly. Am I the only one that finds the backgrounds to photos (eg what's on the shelf) quite interesting?


You mean on the shelves of the PC case?

In the first pic the black box with the two red lights on it is my UPS (PC and monitor are connected to this), and in the second one the smaller black box is an old external 2TB hard drive that I used for (one of) my backups. This is due to be retired and replaced with a 4TB external hard drive to match the data drive in the new PC. (The new 4TB drive is 2.5 inch instead of 3.5 inch, doesn't need external power, and I saw it sustain 120MB/s on a large data copy over the weekend, which is quite something.)

The carpet is a disaster and needs replacing. A cream carpet with a toddler didn't do it any favours when we moved into the house.....

EDIT - As for the hearth the house is an old Victorian town house (built 1895 IIRC, or is it 1885?), a lot of the original features are still in place and it seems a shame to remove them.

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The carpet is a disaster and needs replacing. A cream carpet with a toddler didn't do it any favours when we moved into the house.....


When you get around to a new carpet ask for Smart Strand or similar, you can get this in cream and other light colours and its pretty much stain resistant.

You need to get onto cleaning any stains straight away, or if not they will come out with a Rug Dr or similar cleaner.

As the proud owner of 2 messy kids I can recommend it :)

Not sure that Smart Strand is a UK brand but any supplier will know what you mean and be able to quote for carpet that has the same specification.

Price wise its not to bad if you avoid getting deep "Shag Pile " type carpet, ours is just normal depth.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:36 
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Nice one man. Not my cup of tea, but still very nice all the same :) bit square for me :D Still knee deep in my old skool build here.

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IDed the CPU as a 2400+ Palomino and 512mb ram. More than enough for the games I want to run. My friend Gareth machined a new top for the water block so it's all fitted now and ready to go.

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Current state of affairs. Radiator is in, fans are in, lots of wiring etc done. I also made a shroud for the GPU so I could remove the 40mm bumblebee fan and fit an 80mm that I can control.

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And bought this for a tenner from a chum.

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I am going to have to connect it up in power terms to the old rig, then run the USB cable into my Win 10 machine to set the fan/pumps etc.

And yes, I know it's garish and it's gaudy etc. That is the whole point. We went from beige to DFI Lanparty.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 14:09 
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Nice PC, Hearthly. I'd be desperately disappointed if it weren't anything other than spectacular for the outlay. Enjoy it!


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