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Author: | Grim... [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 21:52 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
The PC is doing all the work, the Stream Link is only displaying content that it sends it. So if his Mac is a wimp then his games are going to run badly. |
Author: | Bamba [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:03 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
I apologise for being patronising. |
Author: | Grim... [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:05 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: I apologise for being patronising. That means "talking down to you", Sat. |
Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: I apologise for being patronising. Nah, I love it really even if it's directed at me. You're an ace poster! Anyway, question, so Steam Link doesn't give a shit about Mac or PC it's all good in the hood? |
Author: | Bamba [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Saturnalian wrote: Bamba wrote: I apologise for being patronising. Nah, I love it really even if it's directed at me. You're an ace poster! Anyway, question, so Steam Link doesn't give a shit about Mac or PC it's all good in the hood? Not quite. Though 'soon' apparently: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... h-macs-yet |
Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Ooh, so it should be alright for Christmas. Sweet. |
Author: | Bamba [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bear in mind Grims point though, it's only as useful as the machine that's streaming to it so it does come down to how good his Mac is spec-wise. |
Author: | Bamba [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam. |
Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:30 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
I reckon his Mac is pretty decent. I've ordered it now for him anyway and should be a pretty awesome gift. |
Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 22:31 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam. Oh. Shit. Ah well, he can figure it out. EDIT: I see what you mean. It's funny how you miss things like the apple sign on the shopfront. |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 0:01 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam. I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam. |
Author: | zaphod79 [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 0:32 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
And of course you can use bootcamp and boot your mac into windows to play (or stream) the PC only games |
Author: | Bamba [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 0:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Bamba wrote: Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam. I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam. That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right. |
Author: | TheCookie197 [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 0:54 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right. Choosing the "Mac OSX" tag on steam gives just over 5500 results, compared to a total of almost 15,000. |
Author: | Trooper [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
This looks amusing http://lg.io/2015/07/05/revised-and-muc ... n-ec2.html Run a gaming rig in the amazon cloud and stream to your device. Works out at around $0.50 an hour. It in action |
Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:59 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Storage would be a killer, though - you could pretty much only have one game installed nowadays. |
Author: | Trooper [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:05 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
I think that's running a 65gig drive. so you might get away with 2 It's transient, you run it up, install the game, play it, sync the savefiles to dropbox at the end and shut it all down again. It's all SSD and using the fat amazon pipe to download from steam, so it would be interesting to know how long it took to get the game installed. I'm expecting 5-10 minutes max? |
Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:10 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though |
Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:14 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
DavPaz wrote: Grim... wrote: If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too. |
Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: Grim... wrote: If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too. What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access. CoughRilesCough |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:19 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Bamba wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Bamba wrote: Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam. I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam. That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right. Yeah but I'd say over 50% of the remaining ones are over ten years old and who gives a shit about old games eh? |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: Grim... wrote: If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too. What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access. CoughRilesCough Or someone who works in datacentre. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Grim... wrote: Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: Grim... wrote: If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s). I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me. A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too. What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access. CoughRilesCough Or someone who works in datacentre. DO we know anyone like that? |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
DavPaz wrote: DO we know anyone like that? Not anyone we like. |
Author: | Cras [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so |
Author: | MaliA [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so Pfft, you just need mood lighting and a nine inch nails cd. I watched a documentary on it. |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ |
Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ Oooh, I love it when you get all networky. |
Author: | Cras [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? Haha, possibly not. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Cras wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Or someone who works in datacentre. Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? Go on... |
Author: | MaliA [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: Make sure the display settings aren't gummed up first. Some laptops have a key combination that puts them in "projector mode". I thought about that but after t minutes if half hearted poking I said "sod it" and went and got it changed . Cheers DavPaz I will remember that The bloody wifi turns itself off for no apparent reasons on it. Boo! I will check the power saving features. Current, HP get 5/10 and 2 of those are for the B&O sticker on it. |
Author: | GazChap [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:46 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Future Warrior wrote: Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid. Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe (filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week) |
Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
GazChap wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid. Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe (filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week) Nice, cheers! |
Author: | JohnCoffey [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:45 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
GazChap wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid. Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe (filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week) It's the same for Fallout 3. Bethesda kindly let you boot the game without a CD if you did so that way. |
Author: | Hearthly [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:49 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Big article on Steam Machines in this month's Custom PC, and whilst they're generally 'polite' about them (probably because they're supplied by companies that advertise with the magazine), the conclusion is quite clearly that they're shit. Everything we've talked about already really. Limited games catalogue, clunky OS, the Steam store displays games that won't even run on Steam Machines (so it's like a massive tantalising list of stuff you can't have), sub-standard performance given the hardware, controller is a bit shit and doesn't work properly even with Valve's own games, plenty of little bugbears and gremlins which will undoubtedly be fixed but in the here and now are really annoying and so on. (Left4Dead 2, for example, which you'd imagine would a be a fine showcase for a Steam Machine, runs poorly despite being an old game now, is horrible to control with the Steam Controller, and doesn't even have all the actions mapped, requiring a visit to the options screen to reconfigure.) Then the real kicker is that they're all supplied in cases that are already used for small form-factor PCs, and you can get the same hardware specification, in the same cases, running Windows 10 for around the same price, and just run Steam in Big Picture mode with an XBone/360 pad and have a far better experience than you'll have on a Steam Machine. In short, the cost of a Windows installation is worth every penny. My opinion on the Steam Machines hasn't changed. They're going the same way as OnLive. Well actually, they might not, as Crazy Old Gabe will refuse to accept defeat and keep hosing as much money down the toilet as it takes to keep the things supported and in the marketplace. |
Author: | myp [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 18:36 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
After a brief look around, it appears I'll have to spend £800-900 to get a new PC that'll run the Oculus Rift. Unless anyone else a bit more clued up knows better? |
Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 18:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Are you happy to put something together from parts? Do you have any parts you can recycle (keyboard, monitor, drives, etc)? |
Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 19:43 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal. Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290 You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system. £515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html |
Author: | myp [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 21:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: Are you happy to put something together from parts? Do you have any parts you can recycle (keyboard, monitor, drives, etc)? I have a monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers. Everything else would need to be new. |
Author: | myp [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 21:45 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Hearthly wrote: It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal. Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290 You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system. £515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html Yeah I couldn't go back to my OS running on a drive with moving parts. How antiquated. Thanks, as I suspected. I'll see how much my car costs me this week first. It's literally not firing on all cylinders. |
Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 23:00 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job. |
Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 23:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job. Worst PC hardware post ever. |
Author: | myp [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 23:43 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job. I've got a trustworthy garage at the end of my road. Also I bluff enough knowledge that they don't try and shaft me. |
Author: | MaliA [ Mon Jan 04, 2016 23:54 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Grim... wrote: You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job. He got everyone out of the car and in again. He works in IT. |
Author: | JohnCoffey [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 16:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
Hearthly wrote: It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal. Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290 You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system. £515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html IIRC the GTX 970 does not meet minimum spec for OR. For that you need a 980. The cheapest sort of entry level card you should get is the Radeon 390. The GTX 970 is actually quite a light design and thus isn't really suited to things like OR. Thankfully the 390 is very reasonably priced right now for a very decent high grade card. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/xfx-rade ... 27-xf.html You will then need to pair it with something like a I5 I would imagine. Sadly I suffer from motion sickness caused by flickering light, so I'm pretty confident I won't be able to use VR. Hence why I have not really bothered reading much about it yet. What is of concern though is that there is more than one vendor for these headsets and the last fucking thing I would want to do is spend £400+ on what could turn out to be the Betamax of headsets. I think I am going to think long and hard and wait before even considering VR. Plus you would look like a complete friggin helmet with it on your head. Also - who spelled my username wrong? |
Author: | Mr Dave [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 16:16 ] |
Post subject: | Re: PC gaming hardware thread. |
JohnCoffee wrote: Also - who spelled my username wrong? Craster. what a dick. I like cock. |
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