Wrong.

You care about PC vs console comparisons? Why?

approximately zero people make the decision between gaming PC and console based on raw performance, because many other factors such as perceived ease-of-use and what platform your friends favour dominate.

Because I have both, and I think the "jump" between the current-gen consoles and the last gen is far less than the previous one, and because PCs are (slowly) starting to claw their way into the living room.

Unfortunately every time anyone dares talk about it people like Kov start jumping up and down, like we were sat around his dining table slagging off his mum.

Nice. What a lovely place this is.

Because I have both,

and I think the "jump" between the current-gen consoles and the last gen is far less than the previous one

and because PCs are (slowly) starting to claw their way into the living room.

Moreover, since this comment was in a thread about PC HARDWARE I don't think there's any reason to be a dick when someone talks about PC HARDWARE in a PC HARDWARE thread.

You only have any last-gen consoles though.

I think you are wrong. I think the baseline resolution going from sub-720p to almost universally 1080p is a big "jump."

Are they? Where?

You also haven't addressed my actual point, which is: this stuff isn't changing. There's nothing new to discuss. Any conversation about it is inherently a retread of old ground.

It's mainly as people are tired of it. Some people got so tired of it they decided to stop coming here so it's perhaps a bit of a touchy subject.

Or perhaps high fives should be handed out.

c) recognise that PC gaming is massive these days.

You'll be high-fiving yourself in not too long.

Sorry chaps, i should not have said anything

Now you're being silenced by bullies!

You're the bullies, d'uh.

The bully is in the eye of the beholder.

What's the resolution and frame rate of that? It's important.

In the case of Steam Machines, well, they're coming, and they're certainly more expensive than current-gen consoles. The 14 models that debuted at GDC start at no less than $460—the cheapest being an Athlon X4-powered rig by iBuyPower with a 1GB Radeon R7 video card inside—so Valve certainly isn't positioning any of its suppliers' machines to be affordable, mass-market living room devices.

I just don't rate touch controls at all for most games.

It says it feels like a trackpad, I know what trackpads feel like and I wouldn't want to be trying to aim a gun or steer a car with one.

I'm still very dubious about game support in SteamOS.

From what I can see there I'd rather just use a 360 pad.

this thing has to be able to support all existing PC games or it's dead in the water.

Anyway, I'm happy to reserve judgement until I get a shot of it. If someone had told me ten years ago I'd be happily, even preferentially, FPSing around using two analogue sticks I'd have told them to fuck off, but here we are.

Which is definitely doesn't, because SteamOS.

Do you play online against mouse & keyboard folk?

I don't mean at that level, that's a different problem they need to solve, I'm talking purely about the controller here.



No, I don't give a shit about online stuff so as long as I could play non-competitive games while sat on my couch I'm happy; but I realise that's not true of everyone and it's a fair point you make.

How does an rts fare on a joy pad? Like Bamba, I never thought I would FpS on a pad 10 years back

Surely the biggest gripe about the pad will be that it's batteries only. What is it? 2005? Jebus.

Pretty sure all wireless pads have batteries, otherwise they wouldn't work.

He knows what I mean. It's AA batteries not a rechargeable battery.

He knows what I mean. It's AA batteries not a rechargeable battery.