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Vorpx converts the game into stereoscopic 3D so you can play it with a controller. I can not play with a headset on standing. That isn't going to happen. Maybe I might be in a minority not wanting to stand but Google denotes it isn't just me. There are countless threads on it. Bethesda said they would implement the 360/Xbone controller and then simply didn't, or at least haven't since then. It still states you need the motion controls.

Like I continually keep pointing out there needs to be something on VR I can't live without or else I simply don't want it. And nothing thus far has managed to convince me, given it is what I thought it would be. I don't really care what other people think about my reasons for not having a CV1. That is obviously going to be unique to me. However, in order for something to be a success it needs to appeal to every one. Not just one group of people who think it's the best thing ever invented but it flops any way. I was firmly in the 3DVision camp. I spent many, many hours playing L4D2 in 3D and I thought it was the best thing to happen to gaming ever. Sadly that notion wasn't exactly shared by all and thus it flopped. A shame, but after I had thought about it I could see why it happened. There was simply hardly any support for it, even from the people who fucking invented it (Nvidia). So it was clear to me I had been done over in a cash grab.

With regards to prescriptions and etc? the DK2 comes with alternate lenses. I originally tried it wearing my steel frame glasses, only to find them being shoved into my eyes creating two lenses that could easily be dirtied (by a finger print, for example, trying to lug the fucking thing onto my head with all of the cables coming out of it) and it was so uncomfortable I tried the other lenses and bingo ! I must have gotten lucky and it was either a match or very close to my prescription and I was able to play without glasses. I then checked to make sure that was the case with CV1 and it wasn't. So you then have to buy something else.

As for whether DK2 is a viable way of experiencing VR? I would say it is. Parts of it were utterly magical (like the bit in Dear Angelica where the smoke goes up your nose and you are sniffing at nothing) but when it came to things I would want to spend more than an hour doing? yeah, nothing. And to me? that would need to be Mario VR* or Fallout 4. That's it for me, I really don't want to play racing games I have no interest in cars.

*I mean an experience so amazing and incredible that you must have it. Like Mario 64 when it launched.

I don't like golf. Does that mean golf is a flop?

No, it means you don't like golf.

Right. So now maybe put that together with what you said.

If you don't like golf and don't want to play it nothing I can say or do will make you want to.

Just like if I don't like VR and it doesn't have the software I would like it to I don't like VR and don't want to spend many hundreds of pounds on something I won't use.

Thus, I would not spend time on the internet trying to make people who don't like golf buy a bag, trolley and clubs.

oh my god

Incredible.

I mean... I just... Yeah.

The problem here is that you said "VR is a fad" when what you should have said is "I don't much like what I've tried of VR"

If no one is playing golf I can walk my dog on the nice grass. What I’m saying is, you’re forgetting about all the lovely VR porn.

Golf is fad, Cras. No-one should buy golf clubs. I know this because I don't like it and I'm entitled to my opinion.

The important question though is: how does VR compare to Assassin's Creed Syndicate?

I know exactly what VorPX does. It's shit. A good VR game is not just about having 3D vision.

What you're basically doing is writing off an entire subsection of gaming as a "fad" because of your own shitty experience of it.

That would be akin to you writing off PC gaming on the whole because you tried it once and your GPU set itself on fire and burned down your house. Obviously nonsensical.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but until you actually give it a fair go using actual consumer hardware and not a bloody development kit, don't be surprised when people jump on you for having that opinion.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I fucking hate Mario 64. And Zelda. Guess that means that the Switch is fucked, eh?

Woah woah woah, I was with you up until here but there I draw the line.

Mario 64 “is” shit. Mario Odessey is pretty good though.

The controls for Mario 64 (and Ocarina of Time for that matter) are offensively bad (although I'm judging it by modern standards, I never played it at release) and Zelda's didn't seem much better.

Compared to current standards sure, I can see why you would say it IS shit now. But back in it's day i'd say it was "the shit".

It's actually a lot deeper than that, but of course I spent many days doing research and etc before concluding. I could spend hours and hours explaining it but why bother? the world will still continue on spinning regardless of what I feel.

So, I think my saying that it doesn't appeal to me because it doesn't have the right software is fair enough. BTW it's OK to hate Mario and Zelda (can't fucking stand the latter myself) but Mario 64 was enormous in proper 3D platform games. It was nearly perfect, other than DVS (dodgy view syndrome).

I also don't really like Quake either, but it defined a generation of games.

Posted this before and that little "THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED BEFORE YOU REPLIED" didn't pop up.

I see your point; controls are shite, did you see the controller though? But I'm talking about gameplay, enjoyability and fun to play.

Indeed it is.

Mutually exclusive IMO.

I had a similar complaint about Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, but I managed to enjoy those anyway because mercifully the shitty controls (where you needed to somehow be capable of pressing 5 buttons at once just to shoot a gun or something) were very rarely needed in my playthroughs.

And don't get me started on the pressure-sensitive buttons. Good idea in principle, fucking terrible execution.

Aren't all buttons pressure sensitive though?

The best kind of correct etc. etc.

I understand what you meant though, like half press = 1 button 3/4 press a different button full press is another button.

I'm quite heavy handed (if you can believe that...) so I agree it's daft, but I understand why they do it "immersion" and what not.

I missed this in all the kerfuffle.

What do you mean by A+ quality? Graphics? Because if so, why should that matter? It's all about the gameplay experience, and most VR titles have that in spades. Take Eleven: Table Tennis VR, for example. Graphically it's terrible by modern standards and looks a bit like someone's just thrown together a load of assets in Unity, but it almost perfectly replicates the feeling of playing a game of table tennis.

There are loads of games available in the VR space that can be played seated. The Oculus store even has it as a filter.

In MGS2 (and possibly 3, although they may have realised the error of their ways by then) you slightly pushed a button (Square I think) to get your gun out and aim it.

At that point, you could then either shoot by pushing the button the rest of the way, or put your gun away by letting the button go.

But, because there was barely any travel on those face buttons, what you ended up doing most of the time was just getting your gun out and shooting straight away which gave your position away most of the time and got you caught.

Mad Maestro had a whole game around the functionality where you had to conduct music with varying degrees of enthusiasm (with the colours representing how hard to press the button).

Unrelated to the conversation, but that happens if you use the "Quick reply" box at the bottom of the main page, rather than hitting the reply or quote button.

Maybe because it has to be QUICK QUICK QUICK? Dunno.

Mystery solved.

You know, like a AAA title that may make every one sit up and pay attention. Whilst table tennis does appeal to me (because I used to be very good, still got my Nittaku bat as it goes) it's still very simple. Oh, and of course include a sitting option.

The BBC also broadcast Wimbledon one year in 3D for 3D tellies. I watched one of the matches.

I've never liked tennis. It was shit.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that with you all.

OK, Lone Echo then.

I've never heard of it. So either they haven't advertised it correctly or it's just bad luck. Must say, no one I know with a VR helmet has even mentioned it. Must look into it.

I think the biggest problem is how many times I have been burned before by jumping onto a tech wagon. I see some one mentioned 3D. Yeah, still got the two sets of active glasses in the drawer, never fitted the batteries. Something else I paid for (twice) and never used. I also think being wireless would really help VR.

Because the stuff you don't know about ain't worth knowing, right?

Because the stuff you don't know about you don't know about. Would have been a good thing if I'd been told first. But I haven't. Not seen any reviews of it, not even heard it mentioned in passing. Nothing.

Any way, I would have thought my admission of "Must look into it" would kind of nullify the "ain't worth knowing" part.

Is this going to continue? do you want to accuse me of anything whilst you are here dude? like stealing Windows? and then me completely verifying my turn of events?. Didn't that make you cringe just a little bit? So come on, say it again that you don't like me etc etc. Let's have it out of the way.

Let me try again. How does "I've never heard of it" lead to "they haven't advertised it correctly"? Are you proclaiming that your knowledge of the gaming market is so thorough, so world-encompassing, is your arrogance so great that the only possible reason you can imagine that you've never heard of this game is because it wasn't "advertised correctly"?

Maybe, if you keep saying bloody stupid things.

Is that what you remember from that conversation? Because what actually happened was that Cras, Grim... and I all said "Microsoft OEM keys are forbidden by their TOS from being sold to you for a tenner, and we don't give a shit if you've done that but you probably shouldn't be surprised if it gives you gyp later, especially as you appear to have installed a cracking tool to stop the key check anyway."

Then you stopped replying. And somehow thought you had "verified your turn of events."

So no, it doesn't make me cringe.

Look, the history is all here:
https://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/ ... 16#p985016
https://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/ ... 21#p985021
https://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/ ... 26#p985026

I am afraid that as long as I am alive that is going to happen. It's who I am. Not only do I say stupid things but I have been known to do stupid things also. I can come across as rude, arrogant, brash, inappropriate and god knows what else. However, most of that is just really bad social skills and saying things that only really make sense to me.

At 44 years old I am afraid that is not going to change. If anything it has gotten worse, since the Bipolar started to turn very ugly in my late 30s. Not only do I have all of those issues but I have also been to death's door wishing it would open. So any inhibitions I had before are now pretty much gone because when you really don't want to be alive any more nothing you say or do can make things worse.

However, given your main critique of me has always been that I steal games? well, let me just stop you there. I have cupboards full of games. I have been collecting since the mid 90s and still have all of my games from then and now. I have an extensive Steam list, and I don't do stealing (because I have no criminal record nor stole anything to be caught with). I could spend all day taking photos and proving it but I feel I shouldn't have to. Sure, there were a couple of times where I said I was going to try before I buy but the only mistake I made there was just being to honest and not being sneaky like neuro typicals like to do. You know? the whole living a lie thing where you walk around hating everything but doing it any way to succeed. I have no interest in that, at all.

I probably have a low mental age, given I still like to do all of the things a child does. I know this, I accept it. I do have a nice high IQ but I am fucked if I even know how it all works. I just do the test and get a high score. What I do know is before I walked out of school at 15 I was in the top level of maths but even though I could do it I had absolutely no idea what was going on. A part of the mind I could not access? IDK. Either way the depression was too great so I walked. Everything else I have taught myself by reading and so on.

What I will say is that whatever you think of me is just wasting your own energy and time. You can hate me if you like, I've found plenty of those sorts over the years. However, given you are some one clearly quite intelligent then you should quickly realise that being nasty to me won't get you anywhere. I won't care, and it won't sink in, and I will just continue on being me. When I am AFK I am doing family stuff, hanging out with my new friend (who also suffers chronic depression) and generally trying to enjoy myself whilst I feel happy. When I am not happy you won't see me at all, bonus.

15 years ago? I would have savoured your dislike for me and I would have wound you up as much as I could. However, at least that part of me has either matured or the pills are doing their job and really I couldn't give a toss either way now. Seriously, I don't even pass it a second thought.

Now of course that is pointing out all of my faults and flaws. You really don't need to waste your energy doing that either dude, I know. Even my psych reports say "is very willing to feel better and take any medication necessary" meaning that I had to go into a very passive state of mind before I could get help, and thus help myself. "The mirror of life" I called it. Took a look, didn't like what looked back at me so I checked myself into the mental health system and for better or worse have been there ever since. That's more than many I have met have been able to do. They are either in denial, or just continue on being vile and pushing people away. I did not want that (because that is where I would have ended up).

However, there are good things about me too. I love gaming and am very passionate about it, I am generally quite kind to people and very loyal. I love to chat also, even if sometimes I do get very confused. And I mean, very confused. The more some one attacks me or pushes me the more it just confuses me to a point where I really don't know what the fuck is going on. Fight or flight, I usually take flight. Never used to be that way, though.

Oh, and the older I get the worse it gets. That said statistically many with Bipolar commit when they are in their 40s, so you never know you may even get lucky.

whut

I’ve never heard of Lone Echo.

It looks really fucking good. No PSVR though, sadly.

Take that, console plebs!

Vive can do completely wireless. It's an extra cost, but it's an option.

You've got things like Occulus Go, too. It's not as good, but it's interesting, to say the least.

Does the Vive wireless use a battery pack?

It's a duck quacking.

I've never heard of Lone Echo either. Not sure what that proves though...

I've heard of it now.

I’ve watched some videos of Lone Echo and it hasn’t blown my nuts off. Lots of *yawn* fixing machines in space by the looks of it.

I like the look of that VR game where you rip robots heads off instead. Robo summats.

How ironic that you can't remember

Hah.

Robo Recall, twas it’s name. PSVR should get that.