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I think he specifically means with 4K.

Fair enough.

SLI TILL I DIE BRO

I presumed he meant temperamental in the sense that not all games will actually take advantage of both cards?

I was more agreeing with JC on the 4K thing, whereby you're at the whim of developer/driver support for dual-GPU functionality in any given game, otherwise you're down to a single GPU which won't be able to handle 4K by itself.

On a wider note though it can cause problems (which of course you may not have personally encountered), for example WoW was broken for a while in certain dual-GPU setups (even though it only ran on one GPU), and Blizzard's answer was pretty much 'We don't support that shit in any way whatsoever, and we never have, and we've always made that explicitly clear, take one of your graphics cards out'.

One of the guys at work ran SLI for years, but he eventually gave up and decided to just get the single most powerful GPU he could, citing all kinds of issues and niggles he was having with various things, particularly certain games.

EDIT - I see Lonewolves and Bamba have already said as much

This is where not playing many games on my PC helps.

SHUT UP I KNOW

What a coincidence, I too never experience problems with things I don't use.

Quite. My Bugatti Veyron has never given me any trouble whatsoever. Not that I own one, or have ever seen a real one. But if I did, it'd be perfect in every way.

I saw one in Bingley. Which was odd.

Like the shower

What Custom PC do (hell, what all reviewers do) is run a 60/90/preset benchmark which does not tell the whole story.

Apparently one 980ti can run Crysis 3 at 4k with a min of 32 FPS (or something close to that, maybe it was high 20s?) but I can officially debunk that and cry bullshit. There are certain levels that even with two perfectly scaling Fury X cards that I still run into the 30s. This is obviously much better than before, where I would see single digits.

It's a shame because the media is not totally honest about these things and never divulges which level they tested on and so forth.

But it's just not ready. It's hard to understand just how much power it takes to throw 4k around. Had I known this (like truthfully) I would never have spent £600 on a monitor which I now feel tied to as it would cost £400+ for a decent 1440p monitor or more if I went for the Freesync version of the Asus Swift.

But yeah, really wish I'd got the Gsync Swift now and just held onto my Titans.

I am stuck with 1080p for now as both my monitor and TV/Steam Link combo will only output that. The 970 is great for that.

Won't manufacturers write software to realise when the benchmark is being run and optimise to get the best score from it? It can't be that hard to do that.

Oh also RE - SLI etc. Multi GPUs do not work in nearly all of the recently released games. This includes Fallout 4, Just Cause 3 (both devs have openly come out refusing to support such setups) that new MGS game, Phantom Pain is it? Both Wolfenstein games (again, straight out refusal to support it) and a few others. Star Wars Battlefront did not support either at launch which is very unusual for DICE but apparently they're working on it as I type this.

I knew all of this before buying a second card but am hoping that 'DX12 multi adapter' will mean that all DX12 games should natively support it (even two cards from either manu) without the devs actually needing to write support.

That said will I be able to resist the next gen powerhouse cards? I doubt it.

You can run higher resolutions that your monitor accepts by using Nvidia DSR chap.

I can't do much as I'm on my phone ATM but Google Nvidia DSR and have a play with that. I run 1080p on my TV but I increased the resolution using DSR to 1440p and my god, Fallout 4 looks a million times better.

Your 970 should handle DSR 1440p with ease

I'll have a look, cheers.

"not many" doesn't remotely equal "none".

Yeah give it a go and let us know how you get on. Dave, you can also use it and upscale to 4k even on a 1080p monitor. It will cost you an extra 4% or so but yeah, should give you a good idea of just how punishing 4k is.

I can't believe you don't think he knows what you meant.

I can't believe you don't think I know that he knows that I know ::STACK OVERFLOW::

The joystick on the steam controller is really fucking me off. It's placed so far away from the edge of the controller that it feels like, well, you know when you were a boy (girls excluded from this tedious analogy) and kids used to say that the size of your penis was the same length as the gap between your thumb and forefinger and so all the boys used to strain their thumb and forefinger apart to have the widest gap for bragging rights until someone is so keen not to be branded as having the smallest willy that they dislocate their thumb and has to awkwardly tell some nurse at A&E why they can only masterbate by fixing their hand around their obviously tiny phallus with a selection of elastic bands and masking tape? Well playing with the steam controller's joystick is just like that.

It might be alright for you if you are the genetic offspring of The Thing and The Hulk but for us mere mortals that have tiny little normal hands extended playtime can feel as if you have a job in a shop window of GAME as Fallout boy and you've just been on a twelve hour shift.

Jeez dude, I'm sorry to hear that, but they say girls don't care.

Who gives a fuck about what they think?

Oh, do they?

My penis is a decent size and I don't have problems with the Steam Controller thumb stick despite having smaller than average-sized hands.

Does this help at all?

I'm sorry, I haven't tried this product with my penis so can't comment.

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I just can't get my head around the Steam controller. It looks alien to me.

When I first found out that I could pretty much not play any PC games without a 360 controller ('cause that's the only pad most of the new games at the time would fully support) I begrudgingly bought one. I have had that one since '07. It's gone a bit yellow and the sticks feel a little erm, 'muddy?' but it still works perfectly.

I decided that it had gone yellow enough to warrant buying a Xbone controller. Not because I was expecting it to be any better than the 360 controller but just because I fancied a new one. And I'm surprised and very impressed. Whilst there doesn't seem to be any major difference between the two when you compare them the Xbone controller has simply been refined. It's far lighter than the 360 controller and the sticks feel far snappier (though this could be because my 360 controller is so old). But yes, I switched back to my old 360 controller for a while and it just felt tremendously heavy compared to the Xbone controller.

There are some things that simply don't need to be changed and I feel the layout of the 360 controller (and now Xbone controller) are perfect. It's ruddy hard to beat perfection.

So I will give the Steam controller a miss. Whilst a part of me really wants to try it (because I fancy a change more than anything) I know that most of the time change isn't a good thing. Especially when looking at reviews.

You realise that the Steam controller is almost entirely designed for games that cannot be used with an Xbox pad, right?

Yup. Those are the ones that need a keyboard and mouse, and thus work better on a keyboard and mouse.

Pads that try and replace those two are absolutely useless, as there really is no replacing them.

Kinda like the Steam controller.

Fair enough, your previous post banged on about the 360 pad but didn't actually explain exactly why you're mystified by the Steam controller's existence. Anyway, I doubt anyone's arguing that any controller is ever likely to actually be better than KBAM for certain games. But if you're looking to attach your PC to your TV then KBAM isn't really an option for most so it's either don't play those games at all or find an alternative controller that makes them playable: enter the Steam controller. You've got like five million capable PCs in your house and room for a full computer desk so you can choose desktop or couch setup as suits you but a lot of people can't so it's definitely a problem, and this is a potential solution.

I'll tell you this much, I wouldn't have played Black Mesa & Half-Life: Opposing Force without the steam controller yet the controller worked fantastically with both. The controller has some magic going on inside it and I wouldn't just write it off.

'cept that joystick position. And the buttons.

The pad things are wizard though.

Isn't Black Mesa done in the Source engine? I thought that meant it would support the control pad natively like other Source games?

And this is coming from someone who hasn't tried it, I suspect?

Because you're totally ignoring the people in this thread who own one and state that it works really well.

I hope you're not asking me those questions. I only play games. Badly.

I'm not totally ignoring the people in the thread. However, in this day and age I don't need to take the word of two or three people when I have millions at my finger tips (Youtube, various review sites, Steam itself).

Whilst it may have some positives they are outweighed by the negatives. But then let's face it, whoever decided to try and reinvent the controller was always facing an uphill battle. Thing is, I don't feel any need whatsoever to totally replace my keyboard and mouse because that's pretty much the reason why I have a gaming PC. It sort of defeats the purpose for me. So for example if a game works really well on keyboard and mouse (like first person shooters for example) then why would you want to replace them with an awkward controller?

There are some games for me that just don't work on a controller and always have me getting up off of the sofa to go and sit at my desk. I tried for example for about a week to play Half Life on a PS2 controller and failed miserably.



Some games just don't work on keyboard and mouse. Most notably, racing games. I originally bought my first 360 controller for Juiced 2 : HIN as I found the analogue throttle critical for drifting. Same went for Grid. If you couldn't use analogue to accelerate you would just do donuts on the starting line.

There are other games I play that work very well with the XB controller. Fallout games for example where aim isn't critical is fine also, especially for prolonged periods of play.

If you're going to condescendingly dismiss people out of hand because there are more people on YouTube, why not go hang out in YouTube comment threads and not come here at all?

I'm not dismissing people out of hand. I've read countless reviews and watched a good few videos before making my mind up.

And it's not for me. Am I not allowed to say that then?

Is it just me or is has that response got nothing at all to do with anything I said?

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Source is the game engine behind all Valve's own games from Half Life 2 onwards. I'm pretty sure the Black Mesa remake was done with the Source engine and therefore I'm wondering if it'll support the Xbox pad natively, just like the Valve Source games do.

I don't think so. If I recall correctly, Steam says there's only partial controller support and it didn't work for me when I booted it up and there wasn't any joypad bit in the menus.

Ho Ho. Another Sat fuck up.

In the options "mouse" it says "enable the joystick." And then the 360 controller works like a charm. Well, except you can use the pad in the menus where you start the game, which is a bit daft.

But anyway, yeah, Black Mesa: good with a pad in the game.

Also PC gaming: fiddly as fuck sometimes.

You can say whatever you like. But I don't know why you expect anyone to listen to you. In this day and age we don't need to take the word of one person when we have millions at our finger tips

I've tried to give my Steam Controller another go, but I think it may be faulty as it keeps vibrating under my hand (not the touchpad vibrating, it feels like the "back" is) even when I'm just holding it.

I assume it's doing this because it thinks that a button is being pressed - for example, if I boot up XCOM: Enemy Within, when I get to the "base" view, it constantly zooms in. Unfortunately I don't know which button zooms in so I can't figure out which one is causing the problem.

Anyone else had this issue?

Do you have any other controllers plugged into the host PC? I have a similar problem when my steering wheel is plugged in.

I had that issue with my 360 controller a couple of times (the vibrating staying on). Hot plugging it usually fixed it I guess it was a driver issue.

Good shout - I have my X52 HOTAS plugged in, which could have the joystick slightly being pushed up or something. Will unplug and test!

I'd be more inclined to blame the throttle.

Yeah, probably - although historically I've had issues with the deadzones on the X52 stick needing to be set wider over time.

I’m looking to build a system for emulation that will connect to my TV, looking for the following, any ideas \recommendations would be great!

1. Case as small as possible, but will need to take a 2.5 system drive and 2nd 3.5 inch drive
2. Ideally case will have IR so I can power it on and off by remote
3. Case needs to take a graphic card that fits with HDMI. Don’t want to go nuts on the spec but will be emulating up to PS2 so guess it needs some grunt
4. MB would need to support at least 8GB ideally 16GB of RAM