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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 0:01 
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Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam.

I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam.

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And of course you can use bootcamp and boot your mac into windows to play (or stream) the PC only games


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Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam.

I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam.


That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right.


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That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right.


Choosing the "Mac OSX" tag on steam gives just over 5500 results, compared to a total of almost 15,000.


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This looks amusing :)

http://lg.io/2015/07/05/revised-and-muc ... n-ec2.html

Run a gaming rig in the amazon cloud and stream to your device. Works out at around $0.50 an hour.

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Storage would be a killer, though - you could pretty much only have one game installed nowadays.

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I think that's running a 65gig drive. so you might get away with 2 :D

It's transient, you run it up, install the game, play it, sync the savefiles to dropbox at the end and shut it all down again. It's all SSD and using the fat amazon pipe to download from steam, so it would be interesting to know how long it took to get the game installed. I'm expecting 5-10 minutes max?


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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though


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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though

Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too.

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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though

Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too.

What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access.

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Oh, also, there's a much smaller selection of games available for the Mac then there is for Windows so he wouldn't be able to play just anything that's on Steam.

I wouldn't say much smaller. I've got 375 games in my account and over 200 of those are Mac-compatible. Plus most modern games are cross-platform nowadays - it's rare they just get a Windows release in Steam.


That's still a statistically significant percentage of your games that don't work on OSX. That said, I don't know for sure what the count is of Mac compatible Steam games and there doesn't seem to be a way to find out so you could be right.

Yeah but I'd say over 50% of the remaining ones are over ten years old and who gives a shit about old games eh?

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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though

Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too.

What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access.

CoughRilesCough

Or someone who works in datacentre.

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If that - Steam can serve bastard fast (I get 25MB/s).

I'm keep mulling over the idea of making a media server in a datacenter somewhere but the storage costs keep fucking me.

A commuity funded plex server might be workable. Legally very shaky ground, though

Only as shaky as the one sitting next to me, though. And I don't think it would - storage costs for that sort of space (I'm thinking 20TB in RAID-0 to start with) are pretty horrible, and you're going to feel the bandwidth costs, too.

What we need, of course, if for some one to live somewhere they can get gigabit internet access.

CoughRilesCough

Or someone who works in datacentre.

DO we know anyone like that?


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DO we know anyone like that?

Not anyone we like.

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Or someone who works in datacentre.


Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

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Or someone who works in datacentre.


Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)


Pfft, you just need mood lighting and a nine inch nails cd. I watched a documentary on it.

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Or someone who works in datacentre.


Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ

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Or someone who works in datacentre.


Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ

Oooh, I love it when you get all networky.


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Or someone who works in datacentre.


Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ


You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? 8)

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Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ


You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? 8)

Haha, possibly not. :)

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Spinning up kit is easy. Getting inbound firewall ports opened up, less so :)

If only I knew which VLANs used the DMZ


You have open inbound connectivity on the DMZ perimeter firewall? 8)

Go on...

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Make sure the display settings aren't gummed up first. Some laptops have a key combination that puts them in "projector mode".


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Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid.

Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe

(filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week)


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Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid.

Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe

(filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week)

Nice, cheers!

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Fallout NV works really well despite saying it doesn't support a controller. The reason for this is that you need a mouse to click 'Start Game' every single time you load it. So I've plugged a mouse into the Steam Link now. Pretty stupid.

Go to the FalloutNV folder in your Steam library, rename FalloutLauncher.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe.bak and then copy FalloutNV.exe to FalloutLauncher.exe

(filenames may not be accurate, but basically you just need to "fool" Steam into launching the game direct instead of going via the launcher - I did similar with FO4 earlier this week)


It's the same for Fallout 3. Bethesda kindly let you boot the game without a CD if you did so that way.

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Ever since getting our 65" TV I have wanted to game on it. Sadly at 4k the TV drops to 30hz and so is pretty much useless for PC gaming. Well, not so much useless, but let's put it this way, I would not pay in excess of £550 to play with a maximum of 30 FPS.

So the idea kind of went off the boil but then I got my old Alienware back. I behaved myself at first I really did. It took almost three weeks for me to crack, mostly when some one offered me a AMD 1055T 6 core CPU for free. Whilst not up to the paramount of a modern CPU it should still kick ass at 1080p. The problem then became that 4gb is not really enough to game on these days with some games actually refusing to run on less. It's also really bloody hard to find "cheap" 2gb DDR2 modules, most people are taking the piss. So after a lot of work I did manage to secure 8gb DDR2 (4x2gb) for a mere £20. I then got this..

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An Asus Mars 760. The twist though is that this is actually two 760s on one board. Very rare things and incredibly expensive when launched. This should make an ideal card for Fallout 4 at 1080p :)

I also got a new PSU for the rig because the original had been in use since 2009, and probably actually dated from 2006.

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Only cost me £35 in the BF sales. Oh yeah, talking of BF sales, I got this too.

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240gb for £39. Right now it kinda looks like this.

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But with any luck within a few days should be built and up and running.

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Big article on Steam Machines in this month's Custom PC, and whilst they're generally 'polite' about them (probably because they're supplied by companies that advertise with the magazine), the conclusion is quite clearly that they're shit.

Everything we've talked about already really.

Limited games catalogue, clunky OS, the Steam store displays games that won't even run on Steam Machines (so it's like a massive tantalising list of stuff you can't have), sub-standard performance given the hardware, controller is a bit shit and doesn't work properly even with Valve's own games, plenty of little bugbears and gremlins which will undoubtedly be fixed but in the here and now are really annoying and so on. (Left4Dead 2, for example, which you'd imagine would a be a fine showcase for a Steam Machine, runs poorly despite being an old game now, is horrible to control with the Steam Controller, and doesn't even have all the actions mapped, requiring a visit to the options screen to reconfigure.)

Then the real kicker is that they're all supplied in cases that are already used for small form-factor PCs, and you can get the same hardware specification, in the same cases, running Windows 10 for around the same price, and just run Steam in Big Picture mode with an XBone/360 pad and have a far better experience than you'll have on a Steam Machine.

In short, the cost of a Windows installation is worth every penny.

My opinion on the Steam Machines hasn't changed. They're going the same way as OnLive. Well actually, they might not, as Crazy Old Gabe will refuse to accept defeat and keep hosing as much money down the toilet as it takes to keep the things supported and in the marketplace.


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To be honest all he needs to do is release HL3 as an exclusive and he would sell tons. I've also heard rumours he is saving HL3 for Rift's release. All quite probably grade A bullshit but you never know :)

I finished my TV PC.

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Connected it up to the 65" TV as as you would expect it's fantastic. I also bought 8gb DDR2 for it too and overclocked the AMD 1055T to 3.5ghz. Thing is Fallout 4 looks like total dog shit at 1080p. I can see why so many people were complaining about it now. I ran it @ 4k from day one and I guess I got used to it and thought it was OK. Not great but OK. Any way, on a 65" screen it looked like a dog's dinner @ 1080p. The TV does support 4k, but the 760 Mars (two GTX 760s with 2gb VRAM) would have crumbled. So instead I used Nvidia DSR to increase the resolution to 1440p. Turned out to be extremely clever and Fallout 4 again looked acceptable. The Mars doesn't seem to struggle with the extra pixels either, running it better than my Fury X runs it at 4k.

So overall very happy. Have finished Fallout 4 now (well, I've discovered every location and can't find any more quests so I guess I'm done..) and have moved onto some South Park : Stick of truth.

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After a brief look around, it appears I'll have to spend £800-900 to get a new PC that'll run the Oculus Rift. Unless anyone else a bit more clued up knows better?

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Are you happy to put something together from parts?

Do you have any parts you can recycle (keyboard, monitor, drives, etc)?

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It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal.

Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290

You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system.

£515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html


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Are you happy to put something together from parts?

Do you have any parts you can recycle (keyboard, monitor, drives, etc)?

I have a monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers. Everything else would need to be new.

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It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal.

Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290

You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system.

£515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html

Yeah I couldn't go back to my OS running on a drive with moving parts. How antiquated. Thanks, as I suspected.

I'll see how much my car costs me this week first. It's literally not firing on all cylinders.

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You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job.

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You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job.


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You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job.

I've got a trustworthy garage at the end of my road. Also I bluff enough knowledge that they don't try and shaft me.

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You've checked the HT leads and plugs, right? That's an easy job.


He got everyone out of the car and in again. He works in IT.

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It's probably worth buying a whole new PC, knobbling a new CPU + mobo + RAM with a clunky old hard drive for example would be a terrible own goal.

Off the shelf is £950, I'm sure cheaper is possible if you shop around a bit - http://www.ebuyer.com/718019-pc-special ... cs-d823290

You absolutely want a decent sized SSD in there, booting or loading anything from a hard drive is spectacularly painful once you've experienced an SSD based system.

£515 for the barebones from Novatech, add in a GTX970 and an SSD and you'd bring it in for around £800 - http://www.novatech.co.uk/barebonebundl ... 60016.html


IIRC the GTX 970 does not meet minimum spec for OR. For that you need a 980.

The cheapest sort of entry level card you should get is the Radeon 390. The GTX 970 is actually quite a light design and thus isn't really suited to things like OR. Thankfully the 390 is very reasonably priced right now for a very decent high grade card.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/xfx-rade ... 27-xf.html

You will then need to pair it with something like a I5 I would imagine.

Sadly I suffer from motion sickness caused by flickering light, so I'm pretty confident I won't be able to use VR. Hence why I have not really bothered reading much about it yet. What is of concern though is that there is more than one vendor for these headsets and the last fucking thing I would want to do is spend £400+ on what could turn out to be the Betamax of headsets.

I think I am going to think long and hard and wait before even considering VR. Plus you would look like a complete friggin helmet with it on your head.

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The cheapest sort of entry level card you should get is the Radeon 390. The GTX 970 is actually quite a light design and thus isn't really suited to things like OR. Thankfully the 390 is very reasonably priced right now for a very decent high grade card.


I'm curious as to why they're so specific with OR requiring a 980, when the 970 is the same GPU as a 980 with a couple of bits disabled. (Unlike the 960 for example, which is effectively a 980 cut in half on everything including the memory bus.)

970 vs 980 post here - viewtopic.php?p=887762#p887762

It's possible that OR really does need the extra 8 ROPs that the 980 has over the 970, for example, but I'd be quite surprised.


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IIRC the GTX 970 does not meet minimum spec for OR. For that you need a 980.

Wrong. It does not meet the *recommended* spec.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/the-r ... am-voting/

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The cheapest sort of entry level card you should get is the Radeon 390. The GTX 970 is actually quite a light design and thus isn't really suited to things like OR. Thankfully the 390 is very reasonably priced right now for a very decent high grade card.


I'm curious as to why they're so specific with OR requiring a 980, when the 970 is the same GPU as a 980 with a couple of bits disabled. (Unlike the 960 for example, which is effectively a 980 cut in half on everything including the memory bus.)

970 vs 980 post here - viewtopic.php?p=887762#p887762

It's possible that OR really does need the extra 8 ROPs that the 980 has over the 970, for example, but I'd be quite surprised.


The 970 and 980 are pretty lightweight cards spec wise. They are fast because they have such enormous clock speeds, but, those sort of clocks are not possible when you start adding in loads of extra features. The memory bus and bandwidth for example on both the 970 and 980 are fucking shit when compared to AMD cards. I've just checked it and it seems that all of a sudden the 970 is supposedly the min requirement. They've changed that.

From what I have been seeing and reading lately (and it could all be FUD and completely wrong) the AMD 390 in both VR and DX12 will beat the 970 very easily, due to the fact it's a much more 'grown up' card than both the 970 and 980. Articles like this -

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-290x-fast-ti ... r-gtx-980/

And Ashes of singularity (DX12)

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/08 ... or-nvidia/

Seem to show that Nvidia literally did what was best for DX11 at the time. Obviously they have been doing this since Fermi, given that it really was a hot mother fucker of a kitchen sink. Since then they have basically ripped out anything that wasn't of importance (like Double Precision and so on) and that is why their cards can be ran at enormous clocks, off setting the fact that they have removed all of the heavy gear.

The problem is that with DX12 and VR that stuff is very important. And, due to AMD's much more grown up and mature design their cards are better for these new upcoming techs.

Example. GTX 970 memory bandwidth max = 224gbps. AMD 390 memory bandwidth max = 384gbps.

Initially this was not a problem, until of course you go up to 4k. That's when the cracks start to appear, even in DX11.

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IIRC the GTX 970 does not meet minimum spec for OR. For that you need a 980.

Wrong. It does not meet the *recommended* spec.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/the-r ... am-voting/


I was going on what I see and read every day. From what I have seen on forums and so forth the 970 was considered not good enough for VR/OR and would not meet the minimum requirements. That has since changed, god knows why (meaning I know why, they've probably been contacted by Nvidia).

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The 970 and 980 are pretty lightweight cards spec wise. They are fast because they have such enormous clock speeds, but, those sort of clocks are not possible when you start adding in loads of extra features. The memory bus and bandwidth for example on both the 970 and 980 are fucking shit when compared to AMD cards. I've just checked it and it seems that all of a sudden the 970 is supposedly the min requirement. They've changed that.

From what I have been seeing and reading lately (and it could all be FUD and completely wrong) the AMD 390 in both VR and DX12 will beat the 970 very easily, due to the fact it's a much more 'grown up' card than both the 970 and 980. Articles like this -

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-290x-fast-ti ... r-gtx-980/

And Ashes of singularity (DX12)

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/08 ... or-nvidia/

Seem to show that Nvidia literally did what was best for DX11 at the time. Obviously they have been doing this since Fermi, given that it really was a hot mother fucker of a kitchen sink. Since then they have basically ripped out anything that wasn't of importance (like Double Precision and so on) and that is why their cards can be ran at enormous clocks, off setting the fact that they have removed all of the heavy gear.

The problem is that with DX12 and VR that stuff is very important. And, due to AMD's much more grown up and mature design their cards are better for these new upcoming techs.

Example. GTX 970 memory bandwidth max = 224gbps. AMD 390 memory bandwidth max = 384gbps.

Initially this was not a problem, until of course you go up to 4k. That's when the cracks start to appear, even in DX11.


I'm not sure you can really criticise Nvidia for producing cards that worked well with the API of the time, which was DX11. Perhaps AMD were designing with some future-proofing in mind but I'm not convinced that's a great idea for something that gets outclassed/replaced as often as graphics cards do. AMD have been notoriously poor on DX11 so I'm not surprised they're really banging the DX12 drum.

There's also no getting around the fact that AMD's cards consume a ridiculous amount of power compared to their Nvidia counterparts, in terms of efficiency Maxwell was, and is, fantastic.

All that said, if AMD are the clear winners in the DX12 era then I'll have no problem making the switch back to them. I was AMD for years (or ATI as they were then), until Nvidia had the better cards on offer. (See also CPUs, I was AMD for years there too before ditching them for Intel once the Core Duos came around.)

I'm not sure where you're getting the clock speed stuff from though, 390s tend to run in the 1050-1100MHz range, 970s in the 1100-1200MHz range, hardly a massive difference.

In the here and now (i.e. the DX11 era) all an AMD card has to offer is being bigger and more power-hungry than an equivalently performing Nvidia card, with very little between them in terms of price. Yes that might change once DX12 goes mainstream, but all we have for now are synthetic benchmarks and tech demos.

There may be more work that Nvidia can do with their drivers for DX12 on existing hardware, and their Pascal hardware is due to hit around the middle of this year I believe.

I certainly wouldn't switch from Nvidia to AMD based on what we can see at the moment, but will keep an open mind.


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Ashes of the singularity is not a benchmark or tech demo dude it's a game.

AMD made a mistake with the 7970. It was their Fermi. Luckily it was still good compared to Kepler but it should have been much better.

Just seen news of Polaris, supposedly using half of the power running a game of the GTX 950. Impressive stuff so far :)

And no, of course I don't blame Nvidia for doing what was the right thing to do and learning from early Fermi, which was completely the wrong thing to do.

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JohnCoffey wrote:
IIRC the GTX 970 does not meet minimum spec for OR. For that you need a 980.

Wrong. It does not meet the *recommended* spec.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/the-r ... am-voting/

I don't know if it has been changed or what, but it now says:
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NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD 290 equivalent or greater
Intel i5-4590 equivalent or greater
8GB+ RAM
Compatible HDMI 1.3 video output
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