kalmar wrote:
Did you flash her bios?
She might have flashed something
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| Author: | markg [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:03 ] |
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Did you clog up her nozzles by using incompatible supplies? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:10 ] |
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Did you make sure to switch her power off before poking around the heating element with a screwdriver? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:11 ] |
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Did you flash her bios? |
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| Author: | JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:12 ] |
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Adopt the break it and then fix it philosophy. For example install a copy of windows on a spare machine and don't install any updates, AV software, Malware removers etc. Then, try and get it clean.. That's where I started many years ago. |
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| Author: | JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:12 ] |
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kalmar wrote: Did you flash her bios? She might have flashed something
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:16 ] |
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JohnCoffey wrote: Adopt the break it and then fix it philosophy. [...] That's where I started many years ago. When are you going to stop? |
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| Author: | JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:17 ] |
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Grim... wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: Adopt the break it and then fix it philosophy. [...] That's where I started many years ago. When are you going to stop? Nevaaarrrrr. I am a wealth of knowledge ! 
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:18 ] |
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Did you ensure the new consumables were seated correctly with an audible click? Did you check that her exit path was clear? Did you turn her off, then on again? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:20 ] |
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Did you make sure to use only Perkies-branded SexmovesTM? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:32 ] |
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Did you try to force the IEC plug into her USB socket, and it wouldn't go? |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:33 ] |
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Did you scrutinise her test print? |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 14:55 ] |
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Did you prod randomly at buttons in the vain hope of getting some sort of response? |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 14:55 ] |
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Aw, poor Squirt... |
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| Author: | Anonymous X [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:08 ] |
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I love you guys, you know. 
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:14 ] |
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I tried to help Mrs Riles at the weekend help her parents get the wireless working on their brand-new Windows 7 computer, despite not even having Win7 myself yet. Turns out they didn't have a wireless card in it. |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:16 ] |
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myp wrote: I tried to help Mrs Riles at the weekend help her parents get the wireless working on their brand-new Windows 7 computer, despite not even having Win7 myself yet. Turns out they didn't have a wireless card in it. I've had that one at work before now. It was bloody excruciating trying to get them to understand why it didn't work and why I couldn't get it to work. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:31 ] |
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Dimrill wrote: trying to get them to understand why it didn't work There's your problem. Take the DavPaz approach... "I can't get the wireless network on my laptop" "Use a cable. NEXT!" |
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| Author: | Malabelm [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:48 ] |
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myp wrote: I tried to help Mrs Riles at the weekend help her parents get the wireless working on their brand-new Windows 7 computer, despite not even having Win7 myself yet. Turns out they didn't have a wireless card in it. I tried for ages to get a shitty little 3G card to work in the laptop a mate brought round, just so he could update his iPod's firmware. Looked in the device manager, and there was a wireless card in there, disabled, after him swearing there wasn't. Fucksake. |
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| Author: | Anonymous X [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:04 ] |
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End of an Era wrote: Learn a programming language. Something like Python is excellent for both beginners and experts alike and your computer will suddenly become a far more useful tool. Err, sorry for the late response then, but this seems quite an interesting thing to attempt. Or at least ask about considering attempting. Is it viable though? Always seemed like some exhausting, Herculean undertaking to learn programming, when I used to gaze at the documentation supplied with my dad's Spectrum. (Any courses/qualifications are probably out of the question incidentally, in fact are, due to the cost and time issues. Oh well.) |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:16 ] |
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How Herculean it is really depends on how your brain works. If you're strong at maths, logic and that sort of thing, it's not that difficult. |
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| Author: | JohnCoffey [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:19 ] |
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Mr Dave wrote: How Herculean it is really depends on how your brain works. If you're strong at maths, logic and that sort of thing, it's not that difficult. And a lot of binary. So as Dave says, you really need to know your maths at top level. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:23 ] |
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You don't need great maths to learn to program, and you certainly don't need to know binary. Can you break a task down into a series of logical, repeatable steps? If so, then you can write code. |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:25 ] |
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Binary?! If you were coding a game for the spectrum in pure machine code, maybe.
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| Author: | kalmar [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:19 ] |
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Craster wrote: You don't need great maths to learn to program, and you certainly don't need to know binary. Can you break a task down into a series of logical, repeatable steps? If so, then you can write code. Quite. You only need to know maths if you're going to program something that involves maths. Like, a custom graphics routine. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:21 ] |
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Dimrill wrote: Binary?! If you were coding a game for the spectrum in pure machine code, maybe.Remember, there are 10 types of people in the world; those that understand binary and nine others that I can't quite remember. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:23 ] |
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Learning to program won't help at all with your original problem of 'Reason I asked about this is that I'm always getting asked for help with computers, being male and living with three females, and on reflection I know bugger-all of any real practical use, really.' Unless they want a computer program written, of course. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:25 ] |
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I can confirm that python rocks. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:48 ] |
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kalmar wrote: Craster wrote: You don't need great maths to learn to program, and you certainly don't need to know binary. Can you break a task down into a series of logical, repeatable steps? If so, then you can write code. Quite. You only need to know maths if you're going to program something that involves maths. Like, a custom graphics routine. If my schoolteachers had realised this I wouldn't have taken A-Level maths. Well, I say 'taken', it was more 'fumbled through'. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 ] |
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I was also told to take maths at A level if I wanted to work with computers. Cunts. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:53 ] |
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I did take maths, and was fucking brilliant at it. Then I did the one module of my degree that actually required maths (simulations & modelling) and I was completely fucking clueless. Still, 41% got the job done. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:54 ] |
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I did a-level maths. Can't remember a thing from it now though. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:54 ] |
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I was good at maths at school, but not amazing. Looking back, I wish I'd gone for more wishy washy subjects like drama and music. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:55 ] |
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I did a Btec in Electronics, but it covered engneering and a lot of maths.. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:55 ] |
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Craster wrote: I did take maths, and was fucking brilliant at it. Then I did the one module of my degree that actually required maths (simulations & modelling) and I was completely fucking clueless. Still, 41% got the job done. I think I got a similar score for the maths module of my degree. Still,. I didn't feel bad because I was fully aware that I was shit at maths. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:56 ] |
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myp wrote: I was good at maths at school, but not amazing. Looking back, I wish I'd gone for more wishy washy subjects like drama and music. I knew you were a drama student at heart. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57 ] |
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kalmar wrote: myp wrote: I was good at maths at school, but not amazing. Looking back, I wish I'd gone for more wishy washy subjects like drama and music. I knew you were a drama student at heart. Heh, I was really good at acting when I was a teenager. I performed in various musicals and Shakespeare productions (not gay, honest). Giving it up is probably one of my biggest regrets. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:58 ] |
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Join an AmDram group then.. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:59 ] |
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KovacsC wrote: Join an internet forum then.. FTFY |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:02 ] |
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kalmar wrote: Craster wrote: You don't need great maths to learn to program, and you certainly don't need to know binary. Can you break a task down into a series of logical, repeatable steps? If so, then you can write code. Quite. You only need to know maths if you're going to program something that involves maths. Like, a custom graphics routine. There has been a common thread in all the good programmers I know. Can you guess what it is? Aye, a certain talent for maths, not necessarily mathematical knowledge. It's not that you need the maths per se, it's in the way the mind works. (Of course, if you do the kind of things I do, which admittedly, includes shaders for graphics, You realistically need a very good maths education or the ability to teach yourself such things) |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:03 ] |
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KovacsC wrote: Join an AmDram group then.. I don't think I'm up to a good enough standard these days. Plus my confidence isn't all it used to be. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:06 ] |
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myp wrote: I was good at maths at school, but not amazing. Looking back, I wish I'd gone for more wishy washy subjects like drama and music. I wish I'd taken anything other than Maths as I'm just hopeless at it. It was the first year of it being split into modules with the first year being Pure Maths 1 and 2 with a score out of 12 for each module and until I re-took them later, I had 0/12 in both. 
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:08 ] |
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myp wrote: Giving it up is probably one of my biggest regrets. You would have been awesome hobbit. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:13 ] |
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Mr Dave wrote: There has been a common thread in all the good programmers I know. Can you guess what it is? Aye, a certain talent for maths, not necessarily mathematical knowledge. It's not that you need the maths per se, it's in the way the mind works. I wish that were true for me - I am reasonably good at programming, but can't maths my way out of a wet paper bag. I immediately forget all the basic rules for algebra, I couldn't even do long division without a book to refer to. Just not good with numbers at all  Calculus I could do, weirdly. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:16 ] |
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kalmar wrote: a book to refer to Bingo. Go into any programmers office and what do you see? Big thick reference books. You really don't have to learn anything
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:17 ] |
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Mr Dave wrote: There has been a common thread in all the good programmers I know. Can you guess what it is? Aye, a certain talent for maths, not necessarily mathematical knowledge.  It's being able to think in a logical way. You don't need to be able to do long division - the computer can do that for you. You just need to know that you need something divided. I have to admit that I don't own any programming books (except for one about jQuery*, but I've not read it). I have books about UI and scalability and stuff, but no actual language books. I use the Internet to look stuff up. *Yeah, I know |
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| Author: | Malabelm [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:39 ] |
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Grim... wrote: I have to admit that I don't own any programming books (except for one about jQuery*, but I've not read it). *Yeah, I know You never did send me that, you sod. Work bought it for me instead. It's not particularly brilliant. But, yes, I'm shit at maths itself, but I can usually see what needs to be done. My experiences with any sort of coding have definitely been down to logic and thinking in different ways. Also: most of the problems I have get fixed subconsciously in my head when I take a break. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:42 ] |
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Jesus, I forgot all about that! I'm really sorry, man. Fuck, that dropped out of my brain completely. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:53 ] |
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Can we get back to discussing Myps thespianism please? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:56 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: Can we get back to discussing Myps thespianism please? We're waiting for the inevitable myp's head on Hamlet's body picture. *waits* |
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| Author: | MrD [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:03 ] |
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Quote: I can confirm that python is like eating rocks. FTFY |
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