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Author:  myp [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 20:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
You know I have the S8 right? I came to the same conclusion as you - the Plus was too big and expensive.
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 20:38 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
You know I have the S8 right? I came to the same conclusion as you - the Plus was too big and expensive.


I do know you have one, yeah; indeed quite a few friends of mine have one. Most people I know don't ever want as big a phone as I'd prefer though so it never occurred to me to think about it. Also, in the past, whenever anyone--including Samsung--did two sizes of something, the smaller size was always too small so I assumed that was still true. And, to be fair, if I had all the money in the world I'd definitely take the Plus (or, for preference the new Note) but I don't and this isn't the compromise I'd initially assumed it would be so that's all good. :)
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 20:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
What I'm still really hoping though is that Google will allow the install of the Google Now launcher because fuck the default Samsung nonsense right in the ass.
Author:  LewieP [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 20:46 ]
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I'm surprised there isn't an S8 mini tbh.
Author:  myp [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 20:51 ]
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If money had been no object I'd have the 256GB iPhone X, but I see your point. ;)
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
No way Bluetooth headphones could have solved it?
Author:  myp [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:40 ]
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Grim... wrote:
No way Bluetooth headphones could have solved it?

That's not solving it apparently. Even though no phone in five years time will have headphones jacks.
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Just friends how you feel about wireless headphones, I guess.
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
No way Bluetooth headphones could have solved it?


Well, yeah, that would of course be a 'solution'. But really it's a workaround; I want a working physical headphone port and currently I don't have one. In the long term, I'll claim that on my phone insurance and get a fix/replacement so my sister gets an 'upgrade'. But right now I don't have a phone that meets my basic needs so, it is what it is.
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
There's rumblings of Google replacing out-of-warranty 6Ps with Pixel 1s. Mine will be going back soon so I'll let you know.
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:55 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Even though no phone in five years time will have headphones jacks.


Right now, is it five years from now? That seems to me to be the most incredibly stupid question that anyone would ever have to ask, and yet...
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 21:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
There's rumblings of Google replacing out-of-warranty 6Ps with Pixel 1s. Mine will be going back soon so I'll let you know.


P!ease do! :)
Author:  Bamba [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 22:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Even though no phone in five years time will have headphones jacks.


Right now, is it five years from now? That seems to me to be the most incredibly stupid question that anyone would ever have to ask, and yet...


A!so, get fucked! Five years from now we'll just have loads of headphones/earbuds with USB C connections on the end. We'll have solved precisely no problems at all except that desperate desire of phone manufacturers to make their products another mm slimmer. Y'know, that one thing no actual person has given a single fuck about since 2014? The battery life will be worse because OF COURSE IT FUCKING WILL and listening to music will have this desperately weird barrier to entry.

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE!

you fucking twat
Author:  myp [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 22:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Chill out dude
Author:  Satsuma [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 23:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
In the future electronics will be charged on a big metal plate.
Author:  GazChap [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Samsung/Android Pay is supported by First Direct, so I'm seriously considering jumping ship.
Author:  Cras [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:01 ]
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You too can be like Grim... and flail your phone at tube gates ineffectually while travellers queue behind you and sigh!
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:11 ]
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Remember the problem I was having with my duplicated contacts? Well, in a strange turn of events... It appears to have fixed itself.
Author:  GazChap [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:38 ]
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Cras wrote:
You too can be like Grim... and flail your phone at tube gates ineffectually while travellers queue behind you and sigh!

I don't have this problem with Apple Pay, is Samsung/Android Pay known for being shit like this? Because if so, that's a consideration.

Not that I'm in That London all that often, but still.
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Cras wrote:
You too can be like Grim... and flail your phone at tube gates ineffectually while travellers queue behind you and sigh!

It's fine about 90% of the time, which is obviously 10% too few.
Author:  Cras [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
That's improved then, I seem to remember early days you saying it was 50:50.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I knew I had an Android related question….

Does anyone know of a Twitter app that will allow me to pin lists to the homescreen. I have a couple of Twitter lists set up for my friends and also for a ‘cheap video game’ list.

What I would like is a couple of shortcuts on my homescreen that I could tap and go straight into either list.
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Cras wrote:
You too can be like Grim... and flail your phone at tube gates ineffectually while travellers queue behind you and sigh!


Ha! A mate of mine set up Android Pay on his S7 and when we went to get a drivethrough Maccy D's he was all like, 'Watch this, I'm going to pay with Android Pay on my phone'.

Thus followed what felt like YEARS of amusement (it was probably 30 seconds) as he tried to get the right bit of his phone in the proximity of the right bit of the contactless card reader that was being proffered out of the drivethrough window at him.

Obviously I'm being really encouraging with comments such as 'It's fucking awesome this Matt, sign me up'.

When the two devices were finally aligned correctly the card reader rejected the phone and said PIN verification was required, at which point he had to fish out his debit card anyway and use that to pay with.

'That normally doesn't happen' was the best he could manage as a defence. And I'm just like, 'Whatever minger'.
Author:  GazChap [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Using Apple Pay on my phone is a constant clusterfuck of trying to reliably get the pay screen to come up, and then get it to read my thumbprint.

Dead easy with the watch though, never any problems apart from the odd occasion where the card is rejected by the bank.
Author:  myp [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 13:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Yep, using Apple Pay on my Watch was a really good experience. It's the one thing I miss.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 13:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I've used Android pay on a few occasions now and it's surprised me that it actually works.

You don't need to load the app or anything, just hold your phone up to the car reader and press your fingerprint to unlock it. Simple.

It also notified me the other day when I was in Aldi that they are a store that I can use Android pay in. Clever.
Author:  myp [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 13:52 ]
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Yeah, it's better than Apple Pay on the phone I think.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 13:53 ]
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TheVision wrote:
It also notified me the other day when I was in Aldi that they are a store that I can use Android pay in. Clever.


I turned off those notifications this morning because I was getting loads of them while walking down the street; total pain in the ass.
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 14:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Cras wrote:
That's improved then, I seem to remember early days you saying it was 50:50.

Yeah, early on TFL readers fucking hated it.
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 14:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
TheVision wrote:
You don't need to load the app or anything, just hold your phone up to the car reader and press your fingerprint to unlock it. Simple.

Or unlock the phone first and then put it on the reader.
Author:  myp [ Mon Oct 23, 2017 14:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
TheVision wrote:
You don't need to load the app or anything, just hold your phone up to the car reader and press your fingerprint to unlock it. Simple.

Or unlock the phone first and then put it on the reader.

Except I have it set to unlock automatically when it's in my possession so I have to use the fingerprint reader anyway.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 15:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I’ve had Android pay fail on me twice in the last week… I’m not sure why as I did everything the same as I did before? Luckily I’ve had my card with me but it’s slightly annoying as it means I can’t rely on it in future if I did forget my card.
Author:  myp [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 15:37 ]
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It's never failed for me. Only grumbles when I forget to "unlock" with my fingerprint.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 15:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
TheVision wrote:
I’ve had Android pay fail on me twice in the last week… I’m not sure why as I did everything the same as I did before? Luckily I’ve had my card with me but it’s slightly annoying as it means I can’t rely on it in future if I did forget my card.


You're allowed a limited number of "taps" per day, before needing to use your chip and PIN card. After that you can start tapping again. That might have been the issue.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 15:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Nope, both times was the first time I'd used it that day. I've only used it (successfully) on about 3 occasions so far.
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 21:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
My S7 edge reset itself three times and then powered down. Hard resets do not work. Balls.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 21:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
MaliA wrote:
My S7 edge reset itself three times and then powered down. Hard resets do not work. Balls.

That's exactly what happened to my S4.

Contact Samsung for warranty repair. Do you have a spare phone?
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 21:45 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
So I've had my S8 for a wee while now and my overall feeling is: meh.

It's nice and fast and all, but it should be given that it's brand new.

The lack of bezel at the side just means I'm sometimes touching the sides of it when trying to do stuff and although the curve on the sides obviously isn't as extreme as with then actual 'edge' variants it's still totally pointless and slightly irritating.

Probably the most annoying thing though is the aspect ratio; it's really tall for its width and a lot of stuff doesn't scale at all well. I tried out YouTube on it today and you can either have black borders at the sides of your videos or let it stretch and crop, which seems like the sort of thing that just shouldn't even be a choice in this day and age. When you launch certain apps they don't fill the full screen and you get a weird little notification thing asking if you want to stretch it to fill the full screen. There's even a full control panel to allow you to decide for each app how it displays, and as soon as you need something like that it should be a red flag that your designs gone a bit wrong.

The fingerprint scanner also isn't anywhere near as good as my N6P. Not only does the phone not respond as quickly, but they've placed it off-centre and directly beside the camera (which is a similar type of indent) so it's not instinctively easy to find with your finger. I genuinely can't understand that as a design decision, it seems mental.

I've no doubt I'll get used to all this and it'll stop bothering me after a while but in a lot of ways it seems like a step backwards from previous phones I've had and I'm slightly surprised at all the praise it's been getting.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 21:51 ]
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Samsung's brand loyalty is verging on Apple levels these days, so strange design decisions seem to be sneaking in.

With regards to the aspect ratio, I'm not convinced the ultra tall thing is a step in the right direction. Surely most content is still 16:9? At least in TV land. My shiny new Pixel 2 has a relatively tiny 5" 1080p 16:9 screen, and I love it
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I like tall screens. Most everything I do on my phone is a long page of content I scroll (Twitter, FB, beex, Kindle, web pages, etc etc) so a taller screen gives me more content without making the phone too wide to be comfortably grasped. I watch very little video on my phone and vertically letterboxing it slightly doesn't bother me at all.

The S8 and Note 8's fingerprint scanner is some grade A bullshit though.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
MaliA wrote:
My S7 edge reset itself three times and then powered down. Hard resets do not work. Balls.


Oh right it's not just me then.... My S7 first did that about three months ago (that I was aware of), and it's been doing it every couple of weeks since. (Again, that I'm aware of, it could well be doing it far more often but I'm just not aware of it.)

It basically shits itself for about half an hour with multiple resets (albeit never turns itself off), and then works normally for 2-3 weeks until it does it again.

Since I'm on 24/7 on-call one week in four it's clearly not acceptable if my phone is in a 'totally fucked' state at random intervals, so I've offered up a second mobile number as a 'backup' on-call number for me.

I've had it with Samsung, straight over to a Google phone when my contract is up, I'm sick of them fucking around with my phone with their shit updates, moving stuff around, and pushy USE OUR CLOUD crap and all the rest of it.

Pixel 2 next, I think.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I like tall screens. Most everything I do on my phone is a long page of content I scroll (Twitter, FB, beex, Kindle, web pages, etc etc) so a taller screen gives me more content without making the phone too wide to be comfortably grasped. I watch very little video on my phone and vertically letterboxing it slightly doesn't bother me at all.

The S8 and Note 8's fingerprint scanner is some grade A bullshit though.


I don't have anything against a tall screen as a thing in itself, but having this annoying extra and ugly 'would you like to scale your app' UI thing going on is horrible and by definition it's one of the first things you see when you set the phone up and start opening apps which doesn't make for a good initial experience.

I also stupidly decided to try and follow some steps posted online to allow me to disable the fucking dedicated hardware Bixby button. I had to actually sign into a Samsung account just to do this (which I stupidly did) somehow I'm getting loads of updates to stuff I don't care about. Just to be allowed to switch off something else I don't care about! That's sort of on me though, I should've bloody known better.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I hadn't really considered the benefits of tall screen for scrolling content. I can see the advantages of that.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
In fairness, my N6 went through a phase of doing exactly that where it would randomly reboot at least once a day for months. I ended up turning off the encryption so it would just boot directly to a working state and thus not have any actual impact but until I did that I did miss messages and calls because it was sitting waiting for s fucking pin without me knowing.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
I also stupidly decided to try and follow some steps posted online to allow me to disable the fucking dedicated hardware Bixby button. I had to actually sign into a Samsung account just to do this (which I stupidly did) somehow I'm getting loads of updates to stuff I don't care about. Just to be allowed to switch off something else I don't care about! That's sort of on me though, I should've bloody known better.


It's toss.

The chap I refer to below has 'learned to live with' his S8, which isn't exactly a shining endorsement for a £600 fucking phone.

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Author:  Bamba [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 22:52 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
It's toss.

The chap I refer to below has 'learned to live with' his S8, which isn't exactly a shining endorsement for a £600 fucking phone.

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No, it absolutely isn't. I was at a point where I need a new phone though and couldn't be arsed waiting for OnePlus to pull their heads out of their collective arse. £500 for the allegedly brilliant new Samsung phone (which had all the storage I needed into the bargain) seemed like a good idea.

Eh, the battery life is brilliant and no doubt it'll stay quick longer than my N6P so it'll be fine in the long run, I'm just not getting that 'awesome new phone' experience from it. :(
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 23:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
DavPaz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
My S7 edge reset itself three times and then powered down. Hard resets do not work. Balls.

That's exactly what happened to my S4.

Contact Samsung for warranty repair. Do you have a spare phone?


Will do. Ta. I have an S2 and can get an s5 in 8 days. No biggie, just a hassle.
Author:  myp [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
So I've had my S8 for a wee while now and my overall feeling is: meh.

It's nice and fast and all, but it should be given that it's brand new.

The lack of bezel at the side just means I'm sometimes touching the sides of it when trying to do stuff and although the curve on the sides obviously isn't as extreme as with then actual 'edge' variants it's still totally pointless and slightly irritating.

Probably the most annoying thing though is the aspect ratio; it's really tall for its width and a lot of stuff doesn't scale at all well. I tried out YouTube on it today and you can either have black borders at the sides of your videos or let it stretch and crop, which seems like the sort of thing that just shouldn't even be a choice in this day and age. When you launch certain apps they don't fill the full screen and you get a weird little notification thing asking if you want to stretch it to fill the full screen. There's even a full control panel to allow you to decide for each app how it displays, and as soon as you need something like that it should be a red flag that your designs gone a bit wrong.

The fingerprint scanner also isn't anywhere near as good as my N6P. Not only does the phone not respond as quickly, but they've placed it off-centre and directly beside the camera (which is a similar type of indent) so it's not instinctively easy to find with your finger. I genuinely can't understand that as a design decision, it seems mental.

I've no doubt I'll get used to all this and it'll stop bothering me after a while but in a lot of ways it seems like a step backwards from previous phones I've had and I'm slightly surprised at all the praise it's been getting.

My advice would be to send it back and get a different phone. I've had it for a while and the annoyances are still there, but for me they're pretty minor. I still press the curved edges by accident and the fingerprint scanner is stupid.

I don't mind the aspect ratio though, and after a while that irritating message goes away (or I selected something in options to make it stop).
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Lonewolves wrote:
My advice would be to send it back and get a different phone.


This is perfectly sensible advice but I'm not going to take it as I'm an idiot.

More fairly to myself, I'm not aware of anything else that's as good/better for the same money (unless I twiddle my thumbs until OnePlus start selling their next phone which I don't really want to do).
Author:  myp [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Just to spend £750 on something you don't really like all that much is a shame.
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