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Author:  Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:50 ]
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OT

Also, may I just go for broke on the "clueless old tosser" scale, I also just love the names these people give their OS, software or whatever these days...

I mean seriously, "I'm updating my Marshmallow" surely can't be said with a straight face? WTF is "Marshmallow" anyway (aside from the obvious :attitude: ), and why is a mere update - for a phone - 400MB? (shit, that's a lot of REM statements in the code :D ). Or alternatively, perhaps I should start perusing a Saga Holidays brochure...

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:58 ]
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Cavey wrote:
"I'm updating my Marshmallow" surely can't be said with a straight face? WTF is "Marshmallow" anyway (aside from the obvious :attitude: )


Each major release of Android has an alphabetical codename. It's just a more convenient way to say it than a flat version number, and allows some cutsey marketing, but it's just a version name at the end of the day.

Cupcake
Donut
Eclair
Froyo
Gingerbread
Honeycomb
Ice Cream Sandwich
Jelly Bean
KitKat
Lollipop
Marshmallow

Quote:
and why is a mere update - for a phone - 400MB?
400 MB isn't very much. And your phone is very likely the most complicated electronic device you own. The iOS 8 update was a little under 1 GB compressed, but expanded to 3-5 GB during the install process.

Author:  myp [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:00 ]
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You're such a Google apologist.

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:00 ]
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Ah right, nice one Doc. :)

I suppose it's a lot more fun than "Version 2.1.1" or similar, and "Marshmallow" sounds better than "COBOL" :D


But seriously, cheers for the heads-up to the (painfully) uninitiated.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:04 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
You're such a Google apologist.

So's your face.

Author:  myp [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:05 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
You're such a Google apologist.

So's your face.

If you love Google so much why don't you fucking marry it

Author:  Joans [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 13:14 ]
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To cut a long story short, I've updated my play music sub to use my Google play credit as the payment method, stupidly thinking it would use whatever was in there and make up the shortfall with one of the many other payment methods attached to my account. Apparently, this isn't the case and not enough credit = no payment.

My only option at the moment is to get them to try and take the payment again from my play credit, but as there doesn't appear to be a way to top that up other than a physical card, I still don't have enough credit.

I've changed the default payment method for the sub to my credit card, but when they automatically try the payment again later tonight, will they take it from the credit card or will they still try to take it from my play credit? Anyone know?

Author:  LewieP [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 13:28 ]
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I asked in the new phone thread, but I guess I will ask here again because this thread is more active.

I'm thinking of getting this phone. What do you reckon?

http://www.dx.com/p/lenovo-p1-5-5-fhd-a ... nfc-408171

I'm a little limited in where I can buy a phone from, most places won't ship one to me, but that seems to tick most of my boxes.

I know it's a little on the bulkier side, but that's because it's got a huge battery, there's some phones in a similar category with half the battery capacity. Looks like it should get 2 days of fairly heavy usage, and I think having it be a little heavier is a worthwhile compromise for that.

I can't see any proper reviews posted online yet, so I'll probably wait for that before taking the plunge, but can anyone see any glaring issues with it? On paper it seems solid to me, and it's a great price.

Author:  Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 15:27 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Oh, and:

Attachment:
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Yeah, that happened.

Oh, my 6P arrived. It's very good.

Author:  DavPaz [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 16:59 ]
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Does it bend?

Author:  Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 17:06 ]
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Nope.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 17:17 ]
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I bet it has wireless charging, being the latest flagship Google phone and all that.

Author:  Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 18:22 ]
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Ha! Right?

Still, I'll just fit it with a wireless-charge-capable battery, then I can use all my wireless stuff.

Oh.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 19:10 ]
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You're making it up.

Author:  Joans [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 23:18 ]
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Joans wrote:
To cut a long story short, I've updated my play music sub to use my Google play credit as the payment method, stupidly thinking it would use whatever was in there and make up the shortfall with one of the many other payment methods attached to my account. Apparently, this isn't the case and not enough credit = no payment.

My only option at the moment is to get them to try and take the payment again from my play credit, but as there doesn't appear to be a way to top that up other than a physical card, I still don't have enough credit.

I've changed the default payment method for the sub to my credit card, but when they automatically try the payment again later tonight, will they take it from the credit card or will they still try to take it from my play credit? Anyone know?


Apparently they will keep trying to take it from my play credit, and then cancel my sub. I can't help but feel that's a bit stupid. Oh well.

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 15:37 ]
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Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 15:51 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

So that's why you're not answering

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 16:10 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

So that's why you're not answering


I didn't realise you'd moved to Jersey.

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 16:15 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

So that's why you're not answering


I didn't realise you'd moved to Jersey.

I was there during 9/11 and I didn't see any Muslims cheering

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:17 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect ?:|

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:25 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect ?:|


Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:30 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect ?:|


Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement.


Like playing a cd in a PS4.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:52 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect ?:|

Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement.

At least they can fix that - that absurdly low 0.34V headphone output is probably something that isn't going to be changed with an update :(

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 19:32 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should.

I can't check this, I don't have an M phone with me right now but I think: add the caller to a contact, under the contact settings overflow (three dots) menu select All Calls To Voicemail. Yes, this is not pretty :(

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 19:50 ]
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That option has vanished.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 20:09 ]
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Progress!

They'll be removing wireless charging next.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 20:11 ]
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What the fuck are they playing at

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 21:06 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Progress!

They'll be removing wireless charging next.

Of course they won't - we've all bought wireless chargers.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 22:01 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Progress!

They'll be removing wireless charging next.

Of course they won't - we've all bought wireless chargers.


I'm still cross about it.

My next phone will have wireless charging, even if I have to get an end-of-line S6 Edge or something when my contract comes up next May. (Technically speaking it's up in July but Manx Telecom always very generously offer you a GREAT OFFER to renew early, which ever so slightly offsets the fact that they charge six gazillion pounds more for phones than anyone else. Having said that their 4G is pretty damn good so swings and roundabouts and all that.)

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 22:24 ]
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Any (popular) phone with a removable battery can be fitted with a wireless charge system.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 22:57 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Any (popular) phone with a removable battery can be fitted with a wireless charge system.


That sounds like a faff compared to 'just plop your phone on top of a pad' though.

One on my desk at work, one on my desk at home - job done.

Having to plug wires into a phone to charge it again will be a very retrograde step. What are these 'wireless charge systems' then? It sounds very much like what my Nexus 5 has which THEY TOOK OUT OF THE NEXUS 6.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 23:19 ]
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Any phone not charging from 0% to 50% in twenty minutes is a retrograde step. When wireless chargers can do that, I'll welcome them back.

Edit - also the Nexus 6 has wireless charging. Also also, other Android handsets exist. Some of them have wireless charging!

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 23:54 ]
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Ahhh yes it's the 6P they took wireless charging out of isn't it - whatever the case I'm just a ball of incandescent rage about the whole affair.

I'm sure this USB-C thing is fantastic with its mega-quick charging, but for me it's still a case of for the last 18 months I've got used to my phone charging without me plugging it into anything, so take that away and I get upset.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 0:50 ]
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Took my phone off charge at about 9am this morning. 15 hours later it's on 76%, and is planning to go for another two days.

That's pretty fucking good.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:11 ]
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It'd be even fucking gooder if you didn't have to PLUG THE THING IN USING WIRES when it needs charging again.

I will probably bear this grudge until the day I die.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:17 ]
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If only there were other Android phones you could buy instead :(

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:25 ]
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This is "pure" doze mode on my Nexus 6. I took it off charge at about 10pm and immediately put it on my bedside table, then took this screenshot as soon as I picked it up this morning. So it's done nothing but doze. It loses about 1% per hour.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:55 ]
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That is quite good in all fairness. At this rate we'll almost have mobile phones with battery life as impressive as we had in 1999.

I got given a Nokia for work in 1999, think it was a 5110? That thing used to do ten days between charges sometimes. Admittedly you could only play Snake on it, and it only held about 40 text messages before you had to start deleting some. But even so.

Author:  Trooper [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:58 ]
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If you turn everything apart from voice/text off in a modern phone, and just use it for the odd call or text, then it will easily go a week I find.

Author:  myp [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:59 ]
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Trooper wrote:
If you turn everything apart from voice/text off in a modern phone, and just use it for the odd call or text, then it will easily go a week I find.

My work Moto G does about 8-9 days.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 13:49 ]
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My phone has an "ultra battery life" function! that just makes it into a basic phone, it is quite good and generally saves about 10-12 hours if used from full, so making the battery life about 4 days.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 13:54 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
At this rate we'll almost have mobile phones with battery life as impressive as we had in 1999....Admittedly you could only play Snake on it, and it only held about 40 text messages before you had to start deleting some.
Hey what if those two statements were related somehow?

The 5110 had a 600 mAhr Li-Po or a 900 mAhr "slim line" Li-Ion battery, compared to the 1800-3500 mAhr batteries found in modern smart phones. It's not like there's a conspiracy to make them not last as long. They just do a fuckton more stuff, and also, battery chemistry has barely advanced since the 5110 days because physical sciences don't follow Moore's law.

This is a bit like complaining that you get better fuel economy out of a car than a helicopter. I mean, you do, but it's not like those two things are equally capable.

Author:  markg [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 13:58 ]
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I've just got used to plugging my phone in every night and don't find it to be that big of a deal.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 13:58 ]
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At home and at work. Basically if I'm in one place for any amount of time my phone is plugged in, and I'm fine with that.

Author:  Trooper [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:04 ]
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Wouldn't it be cool if you could just put your phone down on a pad or something and it charged without needing to plug it in.
They should totally put that in a phone.

Author:  LewieP [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:08 ]
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I ended up going for a different phone, but if you care that much about battery life, get this:
http://www.dx.com/p/lenovo-p1-5-5-fhd-a ... nfc-408171

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:10 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Hey what if those two statements were related somehow?

The 5110 had a 600 mAhr Li-Po or a 900 mAhr "slim line" Li-Ion battery, compared to the 1800-3500 mAhr batteries found in modern smart phones. It's not like there's a conspiracy to make them not last as long. They just do a fuckton more stuff, and also, battery chemistry has barely advanced since the 5110 days because physical sciences don't follow Moore's law.

This is a bit like complaining that you get better fuel economy out of a car than a helicopter. I mean, you do, but it's not like those two things are equally capable.


Oh yes I know it was specious reasoning, and I was being deliberately disingenuous in some regards (hence my comment about Snake and 40 text messages to indicate as such), however I have found myself on a few occasions really needing to use my phone as a phone, and the battery is on its arse before the end of the day because I happened to use it to play Hearthstone at lunch, and remembering wistfully the days when it was damn-near impossible to run a phone's battery down in a single day. (And it's all very well USB-C being able to manage a 7500% charge in 13.7 seconds or whatever, but it's not much use if you're underneath the floor in a data centre and you really just need to finish a call.)

I do wonder though if they'd invested as much time in battery technology as they had in cramming a 2560x1440 display into a fucking phone, if we'd have mobiles by now that didn't effectively brick themselves every 24 hours if you don't plug them into something.

Author:  markg [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:14 ]
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There's lots of research going on into battery technology, but the single least interesting result of a major breakthrough there would be better batteries for phones.

Author:  myp [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:17 ]
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My advice for conserving battery is to not use features of the phone that are battery-intensive, like gaming for example. Especially if you need it for work.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 14:21 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
do wonder though if they'd invested as much time in battery technology as they had in cramming a 2560x1440 display into a fucking phone, if we'd have mobiles by now that didn't effectively brick themselves every 24 hours if you don't plug them into something.

Are you under the impression the world only contains one type of scientist and they all work on the same thing at the same time? This isn't Civilization.

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