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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
I'm not privvy to any internal details, but having read that page I can see a few reasons off the top of my head; 1) so the app can do something different if the permission hasn't been granted to handle that case gracefully 2) so the app can control exactly when the "please give me this permission" dialog appears -- maybe it makes sense to do some of them at first load, maybe at first use, maybe some other time 3) so the app can display some additional context to the user before requesting the permission, eg. "I need access to your contact in order to BLAH" |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
It's just as well I was considering wiping my phone this weekend anyway as the Marshmallow update is fucked. Twice now it's popped up to tell me it's available and spent ages downloading the thing but, on both occasions, as soon as I tell it to do the install it tries and actually fails to simply reboot the phone. The entire phone hangs and I then need to force a reboot at which point the option to upgrade disappears completely. Even more bizarrely, if I force a check it comes back claiming there are no updates available and I need to wait a random amount of time before it once again realises there's an update to completely re-download from scratch. Good going Google. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bluetooth audio output on my phone be quiet. Anyone know of a volume increaser that actually increases the maximum signal output, rather than simply turning up my fucking volume like the eight "volume maximisers" I have tried! |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Absolute tossbags, none of the new Nexus phones support wireless charging, which is hands down one my favourite things about my Nexus 5. That's a dealbreaker right there. (I have two wireless charging pads, one on my desk at work, and one on my desk at home - totally ace things they are.) |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Hearthly wrote: Absolute tossbags, none of the new Nexus phones support wireless charging, which is hands down one my favourite things about my Nexus 5. That's a dealbreaker right there. (I have two wireless charging pads, one on my desk at work, and one on my desk at home - totally ace things they are.) Wireless charging is nice, but there's a good reason it's not in either phone, and cabled turbo charging is much better than wireless anyway. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
I'm sure the new turbo charging is splendid, but it still involves having a cable trailing from a plug or other device to a point on a desk where I can connect my phone to it, and faffing about with said cable to plug it in or pull it out. How that's an improvement on just plopping my phone onto a charging disc I really don't know. The time taken to charge is irrelevant to me as if I'm not out and about somewhere with my phone, it's sat on a charging disc, so when I pick it up it's basically always at 100% charge. It's definitely enough to make me consider switching from a Nexus to something like an S6 when my contract comes up next July. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Hearthly wrote: Absolute tossbags, none of the new Nexus phones support wireless charging, which is hands down one my favourite things about my Nexus 5. That's a dealbreaker right there. (I have two wireless charging pads, one on my desk at work, and one on my desk at home - totally ace things they are.) Wireless charging is nice, but there's a good reason it's not in either phone, and cabled turbo charging is much better than wireless anyway. Turbo charging is fucking awesome. With the official charger I can charge my Nexus 6 from 'near dead' to 'more than enough to see me through the day' just while I get showered and dressed in the morning which has been a lifesaver on a number of occasions. Obviously it would be better if someone properly solved the battery problem but, until then, being able to shove a load of juice into a device in a very short amount of time is a really good work around. Wireless charging is a very, very minor convenience and not something that would ever make or break a device for me. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Well why can't we have both then? Why take wireless charging out of the new phones? However good the new SUPER TURBO CHARGING is, it's still functionality that's been removed. It's also a bummer for folks like me who've splashed out on two charging discs. |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Presumably because it requires a physical component which adds bulk and cost to the handset, if enough people used it then they'd probably leave it in. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Hearthly wrote: Well why can't we have both then? Why take wireless charging out of the new phones? Here's Google's official statement on the matter: Quote: We added Qi wireless charging starting with N4 because plugging in USB micro B was such a hassle! (Which way is up!?) With this year’s Nexii, we support USB Type-C which has a reversible connector so there’s no more guessing. AND it charges incredibly swiftly: 1% to 100% in 97 mins on the 6P for example (the first ~45 mins of charging is especially fast). Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z (thickness). So, ease of plugging in + fast charging + optimizing for thinness made us double down on Type-C instead of wireless!
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Also don't you get cases that will add wireless charging functionality to a phone that doesn't already have it? You could just get one of them whenever they come out for the new Nexuses. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Hearthly wrote: Well why can't we have both then? Why take wireless charging out of the new phones? Because everything costs money and adds weight and thickness, and you need to balance that cost against what it adds and how many people use it. Also the 6P has an all-metal case, which doesn't play nicely with wireless charging (although Qualcomm now have something very new which claims to do it.)
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
I'll add z (thickness) to Google's lip for depriving me of space-age wireless charging technology in favour of a slightly better cable than we had years ago. My Nokia 5110 had a 'reversible' charging cable. In 1999. What it didn't have is wireless charging. Basically, I'm very upset about all this. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Oh man, I just love this one: Quote: Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z Thickness = z- (vertical) axis, presumably, but quite possibly the most pretentious way of saying it. Pseuds Corner, anyone?  Also this: Plug in your fecking fone Choppers, you lazy arse, you can use your "charging discs" as fancy, hi-tech coasters.  I think I'm done here, I thank you. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
So it seems I've forgotten how three dimensional co-ordinates are plotted since last doing it at school. In my head the X and Y components carried on representing horizontal and vertical as they do in 2D graphing with Z being added in for depth, but looking at examples on Wikipedia it's actually Z and Y doing vertical and horizontal with X carrying the depth component. Huh. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... m_CA_0.svg I also learned that the forum doesn't support embedding of SVG images. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
If I remember my 3D modelling days, it's because the XY plain represents the ground and the Z axis is 'height'. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
DavPaz wrote: XY plain 
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Cavey wrote: Oh man, I just love this one: I'm going to defend this, slightly.Quote: Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z Thickness = z- (vertical) axis, presumably, but quite possibly the most pretentious way of saying it. Pseuds Corner, anyone? The quote was taken from a Reddit Ask-Me-Anything, which is a realtime event where a company rep or a celebrity field hundreds of questions a minute for an hour or two. Faced with that sort of time pressure, it's not unusual to drift into the most compact jargon you can find -- and "adding z" is not uncommon jargon in gadget industrial design. Furthermore, the audience was almost entirely hardcore phone nerds, so (a) they understood what it meant and (b) actually appreciated being talked to in this dense argot that respected that they would understand it. There were other questions about all sorts of detailed internal specs of the new Nexuses, which were equally answered with detailed technical responses, and they liked that. This wasn't a considered, redrafted piece of communication -- it was an off the cuff remark delivered to a technical audience. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Future Warrior wrote: DavPaz wrote: XY plain No excuses. Hang me out to dry. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Meh, no, sorry Doc, gonna have to disagree here mate!  I know I'm a simple, hairy-arsed soul who thinks 'finesse' is a brand of washing up liquid or something similar, but by crikey, saying "adds z" instead of "makes it thicker" just seems hilariously obfuscatory and pretentious to me IMO, even if your audience does know what you mean (being understood does not preclude sounding like a dick). Still, no worries though, as it did raise quite a smile this end, love it.
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
OT Also, may I just go for broke on the "clueless old tosser" scale, I also just love the names these people give their OS, software or whatever these days... I mean seriously, "I'm updating my Marshmallow" surely can't be said with a straight face? WTF is "Marshmallow" anyway (aside from the obvious  ), and why is a mere update - for a phone - 400MB? (shit, that's a lot of REM statements in the code ). Or alternatively, perhaps I should start perusing a Saga Holidays brochure...
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 13:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Cavey wrote: "I'm updating my Marshmallow" surely can't be said with a straight face? WTF is "Marshmallow" anyway (aside from the obvious )Each major release of Android has an alphabetical codename. It's just a more convenient way to say it than a flat version number, and allows some cutsey marketing, but it's just a version name at the end of the day. Cupcake Donut Eclair Froyo Gingerbread Honeycomb Ice Cream Sandwich Jelly Bean KitKat Lollipop Marshmallow Quote: and why is a mere update - for a phone - 400MB? 400 MB isn't very much. And your phone is very likely the most complicated electronic device you own. The iOS 8 update was a little under 1 GB compressed, but expanded to 3-5 GB during the install process.
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
You're such a Google apologist. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Ah right, nice one Doc. I suppose it's a lot more fun than "Version 2.1.1" or similar, and "Marshmallow" sounds better than "COBOL" But seriously, cheers for the heads-up to the (painfully) uninitiated. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Future Warrior wrote: You're such a Google apologist. So's your face. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 14:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Future Warrior wrote: You're such a Google apologist. So's your face. If you love Google so much why don't you fucking marry it |
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| Author: | Joans [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 13:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
To cut a long story short, I've updated my play music sub to use my Google play credit as the payment method, stupidly thinking it would use whatever was in there and make up the shortfall with one of the many other payment methods attached to my account. Apparently, this isn't the case and not enough credit = no payment. My only option at the moment is to get them to try and take the payment again from my play credit, but as there doesn't appear to be a way to top that up other than a physical card, I still don't have enough credit. I've changed the default payment method for the sub to my credit card, but when they automatically try the payment again later tonight, will they take it from the credit card or will they still try to take it from my play credit? Anyone know? |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 13:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
I asked in the new phone thread, but I guess I will ask here again because this thread is more active. I'm thinking of getting this phone. What do you reckon? http://www.dx.com/p/lenovo-p1-5-5-fhd-a ... nfc-408171 I'm a little limited in where I can buy a phone from, most places won't ship one to me, but that seems to tick most of my boxes. I know it's a little on the bulkier side, but that's because it's got a huge battery, there's some phones in a similar category with half the battery capacity. Looks like it should get 2 days of fairly heavy usage, and I think having it be a little heavier is a worthwhile compromise for that. I can't see any proper reviews posted online yet, so I'll probably wait for that before taking the plunge, but can anyone see any glaring issues with it? On paper it seems solid to me, and it's a great price. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 15:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Grim... wrote: Oh, and: Attachment: whoops.png Yeah, that happened. Oh, my 6P arrived. It's very good. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 16:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Does it bend? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 17:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Nope. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 17:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
I bet it has wireless charging, being the latest flagship Google phone and all that. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 18:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Ha! Right? Still, I'll just fit it with a wireless-charge-capable battery, then I can use all my wireless stuff. Oh. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 19:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
You're making it up. |
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| Author: | Joans [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 23:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Joans wrote: To cut a long story short, I've updated my play music sub to use my Google play credit as the payment method, stupidly thinking it would use whatever was in there and make up the shortfall with one of the many other payment methods attached to my account. Apparently, this isn't the case and not enough credit = no payment. My only option at the moment is to get them to try and take the payment again from my play credit, but as there doesn't appear to be a way to top that up other than a physical card, I still don't have enough credit. I've changed the default payment method for the sub to my credit card, but when they automatically try the payment again later tonight, will they take it from the credit card or will they still try to take it from my play credit? Anyone know? Apparently they will keep trying to take it from my play credit, and then cancel my sub. I can't help but feel that's a bit stupid. Oh well. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 15:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 15:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. So that's why you're not answering |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 16:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Future Warrior wrote: Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. So that's why you're not answering I didn't realise you'd moved to Jersey. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 16:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. So that's why you're not answering I didn't realise you'd moved to Jersey. I was there during 9/11 and I didn't see any Muslims cheering |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect 
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Grim... wrote: Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Grim... wrote: Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement. Like playing a cd in a PS4. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 17:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Grim... wrote: Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. There doesn't seem to be a built-in way. There will be apps that do it, but that's not exactly perfect Well, shit. I wonder why in the hell they'd remove that feature? It seems like it would be useful and relatively trivial to implement. At least they can fix that - that absurdly low 0.34V headphone output is probably something that isn't going to be changed with an update 
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 19:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Bamba wrote: Anyone know how to block an incoming number in the Marshmallow dialler? All the instructions I can find online must be for older versions because I'm not getting the option at the point they think I should. I can't check this, I don't have an M phone with me right now but I think: add the caller to a contact, under the contact settings overflow (three dots) menu select All Calls To Voicemail. Yes, this is not pretty
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 19:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
That option has vanished. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 20:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Progress! They'll be removing wireless charging next. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 20:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
What the fuck are they playing at |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 21:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Hearthly wrote: Progress! They'll be removing wireless charging next. Of course they won't - we've all bought wireless chargers. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 22:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Grim... wrote: Hearthly wrote: Progress! They'll be removing wireless charging next. Of course they won't - we've all bought wireless chargers. I'm still cross about it. My next phone will have wireless charging, even if I have to get an end-of-line S6 Edge or something when my contract comes up next May. (Technically speaking it's up in July but Manx Telecom always very generously offer you a GREAT OFFER to renew early, which ever so slightly offsets the fact that they charge six gazillion pounds more for phones than anyone else. Having said that their 4G is pretty damn good so swings and roundabouts and all that.) |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 22:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Android |
Any (popular) phone with a removable battery can be fitted with a wireless charge system. |
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