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Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Cras wrote:
I'm really not sure what problem they're trying to fix there.

"We don't have enough money", at a guess.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Cras wrote:
I'm really not sure what problem they're trying to fix there. OK, the automated frequency hopping is handy, but other than that it all seems a bit pointless.

I agree with both points. Also, the type of people that this should appeal to (people who can't computer good) aren't going to be tempted to spend $200 on a router when they've already got a free one. Also, I'd be surprised if they even know it exists.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I assume it's the same in the states as it is here? Sign up for broadband and you get sent a router?
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I'd be interested for just this:

Quote:
Finally, no blinking lights! OnHub uses a dimmable light ring that uses one of four color indicators to give you feedback.


Of course if someone knows how to turn the lights off on my Virgin Superwhatsit without unplugging it that'd also be great. They be bright.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Saturnalian wrote:
I'd be interested for just this:

Quote:
Finally, no blinking lights! OnHub uses a dimmable light ring that uses one of four color indicators to give you feedback.


Of course if someone knows how to turn the lights off on my Virgin Superwhatsit without unplugging it that'd also be great. They be bright.


Blu-tac
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doesn't help, the light bleeds out of the air vents on the top.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
Doesn't help, the light bleeds out of the air vents on the top.

But less brightly, no?

I just use the solution of putting it behind my TV.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Mine lives under the stairs. No light bleed.
Author:  Mimi [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 13:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
Cras wrote:
I'm really not sure what problem they're trying to fix there. OK, the automated frequency hopping is handy, but other than that it all seems a bit pointless.

I agree with both points. Also, the type of people that this should appeal to (people who can't computer good) aren't going to be tempted to spend $200 on a router when they've already got a free one. Also, I'd be surprised if they even know it exists.


I don't computer good, but I'd totally buy a new router if it flowed and was shaped like a dinosaur and had a happy face when it was connected but went sad and red when it wasn't.

But that thinger is none of those things so I'm not interested.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 16:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
Also, the type of people that this should appeal to (people who can't computer good) aren't going to be tempted to spend $200 on a router when they've already got a free one. Also, I'd be surprised if they even know it exists.

They have full remote admin. If your parents had one, you could fix it without going there. Interested now?
Author:  Cras [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 16:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I can't think when last time I fixed a router it wasn't by removing and reinserting the power cable.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Aug 19, 2015 17:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Also, the type of people that this should appeal to (people who can't computer good) aren't going to be tempted to spend $200 on a router when they've already got a free one. Also, I'd be surprised if they even know it exists.

They have full remote admin. If your parents had one, you could fix it without going there. Interested now?

So does a Virgin router, fortunately. Neither helps much if the Internet is down.

Also what Craster said.
Author:  Achilles [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
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Author:  Mimi [ Wed Aug 26, 2015 17:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
I'm sure someone has put this here already, but I'm too lazy to read and don't have an android thingy so don't quite know what it is, but amazon have some kind of Android Underground thing running where you basically get a load of premium things for free.

I don't know - you read it, you'll make more sense of it than me: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.htm ... 5_SWMN_AUG
Author:  Achilles [ Wed Aug 26, 2015 22:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
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Author:  Bobbyaro [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 22:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
i have a Honor 4X (Huawei), and it has volume controls, but setting the volume to 0 on the media setting doesn't stop sound when using the chrome browser (and maybe others, not tested).

Does anyone know how to actually shut the fucking phone up?
Author:  Bamba [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 23:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bobbyaro wrote:
i have a Honor 4X (Huawei), and it has volume controls, but setting the volume to 0 on the media setting doesn't stop sound when using the chrome browser (and maybe others, not tested).

Does anyone know how to actually shut the fucking phone up?


I've never had that before, the media volume control has always worked for that stuff. Does it have physical volume controls on the phone itself? If so, what happens if you use those to turn it down while you've got something playing on Chrome? It should then turn down which ever volume is think is active at the time which would at least let you see what was going on.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 23:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
Bobbyaro wrote:
i have a Honor 4X (Huawei), and it has volume controls, but setting the volume to 0 on the media setting doesn't stop sound when using the chrome browser (and maybe others, not tested).

Does anyone know how to actually shut the fucking phone up?


I've never had that before, the media volume control has always worked for that stuff. Does it have physical volume controls on the phone itself? If so, what happens if you use those to turn it down while you've got something playing on Chrome? It should then turn down which ever volume is think is active at the time which would at least let you see what was going on.


<sings> Bobby's watching porn, Bobby's watching porn,Bobby's watching porn,
Author:  Bobbyaro [ Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
:-) thanks Mali!


It does have buttons, but they just bring down the media vol. Am going to try their built in browser to see if it does the same thing.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 16:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
So there's a beauty of an Android security flaw doing the rounds:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... n-password

tl;dr: if you're using a password on your lock screen (not a PIN or swipe pattern) and you've got a non-Nexus device someone can break into it simply by entering a lot of text into the password field.
Author:  BikNorton [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 17:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
More importantly, the latest Chrome update has fucked the address bar on whatever lollipop is on my oneplus one (5.0.2?). No topping feedback at all. The pull-down-to-refresh spinny thing is gone too.
Author:  Bamba [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 18:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
What's topping feedback?
Author:  BikNorton [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 20:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Mis-swiped typing feedback. Keyboard pops up, text enters, but no letters on-screen, no history list.
Author:  Grim... [ Sat Sep 19, 2015 20:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
BikNorton wrote:
Mis-swiped typing feedback. Keyboard pops up, text enters, but no letters on-screen, no history list.

Sounds like it's crashed. Kill it off from the recent apps thing and see if that helps.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 0:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
The hudl2 just updated to lollipop. It's about time!
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
New round of Google stuff announced yesterday:

  • The Nexus 6P made by Huawei. Generally flagship level stuff with an allegedly massively improved camera and a fingerprint reader on the back. I wasn't at all bothered when I heard about it initially but the body of the thing looks very nice being all aluminium and a genuinely decent camera would be nice. Not convinced I'll upgrade though as I'm pretty happy with my N6.
  • The LG made Nexus 5X. Made to satisfy the market that was pissed off with the N6 last year as they wanted a more normal sized and typically cheaper Nexus device.
  • They've also came out with a new tablet, the Pixel C which came as a surprise to me as I hadn't heard any rumours of it. Also surprisingly is that this time Google haven't partnered with anyone and it's apparently a fully Google made device. It's a very high spec 10.2 inch thing aimed at power users by the look of it and the design of it's genuinely lovely. I've made my peace with the flawed Nexus 9 but it still annoys me at times so if this reviews well I might consider it, especially with the bigger screen which I would prefer.
  • As a response to Apple Care there's now the Nexus Protect programme. I don't know much about Apple Care so I don't know how this stacks up in terms of price and features.
  • Finally, a new iteration of the Chromecast and a new version that does audio specifically, but I don't give a shit about any of that so find your own links.

ETA: UK pricing details for everything except the Pixel C here.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
The 5X will be my next phone, I'm currently on a 5 and it's the best phone I've ever had.

The 6 just doesn't interest me at all (Too. Fucking. Big. and too expensive), but a 'better 5'? Yes, I'll have that.

Contract up next July, which is probably how long it'll take Manx Telecom to get the bastard things in stock.

Getting the standard Google UI is a massive plus as well, why the likes of Samsung continue to deface their own products as they do is a total mystery to me. (And with a Nexus you're not relying on the manufacturer for OS updates, and don't run the risk of the phone becoming abandonware after 18 months either - YES I'M LOOKING AT YOU HTC.)
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
6P sample shots:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... VzTFlEUXlB

6ap slow-moron video:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... ZRWUtEYV93

DxOmark gave the N6P its joint-highest rating of any phone it's tested: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-N ... hotography
Author:  myp [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
slow-moron

My ears are burning
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
Contract up next July, which is probably how long it'll take Manx Telecom to get the bastard things in stock.


There was some chat that they'd only be available to buy online and not via the telcos but that might just be in the US as a quick Google throws up confirmation that EE at least will be offering them on contract.

As for the size, the difference is a bit less this time round as the 5X is 5.2" and the 6P is only 5.7".
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
6P sample shots:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... VzTFlEUXlB

6ap slow-moron video:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... ZRWUtEYV93

DxOmark gave the N6P its joint-highest rating of any phone it's tested: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-N ... hotography


That's all good to hear as the camera on the N6 is crap enough to bug me a bit.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Future Warrior wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
slow-moron

My ears are burning

I'm going to leave that typo uncorrected
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Contract up next July, which is probably how long it'll take Manx Telecom to get the bastard things in stock.


There was some chat that they'd only be available to buy online and not via the telcos but that might just be in the US as a quick Google throws up confirmation that EE at least will be offering them on contract.

As for the size, the difference is a bit less this time round as the 5X is 5.2" and the 6P is only 5.7".


The price will probably still be far too high for my taste though, I just can't get my head around paying £400-500 for a phone.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Contract up next July, which is probably how long it'll take Manx Telecom to get the bastard things in stock.


There was some chat that they'd only be available to buy online and not via the telcos but that might just be in the US as a quick Google throws up confirmation that EE at least will be offering them on contract.

Yeah, in the UK you'll be able to get them from O2, EE and Carphone Warehouse, at least.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:41 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Oh, and:

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Yeah, that happened.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
You've certainly snagged a bargain there.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Contract up next July, which is probably how long it'll take Manx Telecom to get the bastard things in stock.


There was some chat that they'd only be available to buy online and not via the telcos but that might just be in the US as a quick Google throws up confirmation that EE at least will be offering them on contract.

As for the size, the difference is a bit less this time round as the 5X is 5.2" and the 6P is only 5.7".


The price will probably still be far too high for my taste though, I just can't get my head around paying £400-500 for a phone.


For comparison the smallest storage model they both have in common is 32GB for which the prices are £379 vs £449. An extra £70 for a faster CPU, an extra GB of RAM and a bigger high res screen (plus the high end design of the 6P) seems like a reasonable deal to me, though obviously that's personal thing.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Grim... wrote:
Oh, and:

Attachment:
whoops.png


Yeah, that happened.


I'm really tempted, but given that I'm eyeing up the Pixel C I think I'll wait for reviews of everything to come in and then see where to send my money. Annoyingly, I don't think I can really justify the best part of a grand upgrading both.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
For comparison the smallest storage model they both have in common is 32GB for which the prices are £379 vs £449. An extra £70 for a faster CPU, an extra GB of RAM and a bigger high res screen (plus the high end design of the 6P) seems like a reasonable deal to me, though obviously that's personal thing.


Yes but I'll be going for the 16GB model so it'll be cheaper than that (for reference, I keep my entire app collection on one screen, and I don't do media on my phone), plus thanks to MT's perverse pricing structure the new Nexus5 will probably be in their sweet spot (if you can call it that) whereby I'll get the phone for 'free' on a two-year £35 per month contract. (This was the case with the Nexus 5, anything that cost more than that and they wanted a wedge of cash upfront as well.)

This is, for example, a company that wants £35 per month for two years, and £349 cash, for a 16GB iPhone6.

(For mega-lols, for the 6Plus 64GB, they want £35 per month and £679 upfront. You can buy the phone direct from Apple for £619.)

AMUSE YOURSELF

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Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
You've certainly snagged a bargain there.

Image
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Why aren't you just buying unlocked handsets if Manx is such a poor deal?
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Why aren't you just buying unlocked handsets if Manx is such a poor deal?


Because they're cynical arseholes with their pricing structure. I need a decent monthly data allowance - (I'm currently on 3GB and most months I've got maybe 100-200MB left by the end of the month, occasionally I use it all at which point my phone turns off its mobile data to save me the exorbitant charges that MT impose when you go past your limit) - which puts me on their SMARTPHONE 300 tariff.

http://www.manxtelecom.com/mobile/tarif ... nthly.aspx

As you can see it's £35 with a 'free'/reduced phone, or £28 SIM only.

Therefore by purchasing an unlocked handset from elsewhere, I'm still spending £28 per month on my tariff, only saving £8 per month, so over the course of 24 months I save £192.

So for example with the Nexus 5, this was a £349 phone at their prices (IIRC it was around £279 elsewhere), but was available 'free' on the £35 per month tariff over two years, so I was still better off getting the phone from them on that tariff, than buying the phone for £280 from Amazon or whatever, and paying £28 per month SIM only for the tariff I needed.

We do now have competition over here in the form of a company called 'Sure' (C&W offshoot), but their coverage and data are notoriously bad.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Up for renewal in January. As much as I love my Moto G, I'm itching for some higher end goodness. That 5x looks up my Avenue
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
DavPaz wrote:
Up for renewal in January. As much as I love my Moto G, I'm itching for some higher end goodness. That 5x looks up my Avenue


The 3rd Gen Moto G is supposed to be very good, and it's pleasantly inexpensive. The gubbins of it would have been a high end phone a couple of years ago, and personally I think anything more than 720p on a phone is a bit daft, 1080p I can sort of get on with at a push, but anything beyond that, pointless number wanking that fucks your battery.

It reviewed very well in the most recent PC Pro.

£160! - http://www.ebuyer.com/719926-motorola-m ... m4179ae7b1
Author:  myp [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
DavPaz wrote:
Up for renewal in January. As much as I love my Moto G, I'm itching for some higher end goodness. That 5x looks up my Avenue

Get your belts changed instead.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
The gubbins of it would have been a high end phone a couple of years ago


Yes, that is generally how things works. ;)
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
The gubbins of it would have been a high end phone a couple of years ago


Yes, that is generally how things works. ;)


:boots:

Point is that when people talk about 'high end' it's easy to forget that a high end phone of a couple of years ago felt absolutely fine to use. The PC Pro review of the 3rd Gen Moto G makes the specific point that in a lot of ways it has a flagship phone feel to it in terms of speed and slickness, to the extent that folks should really think twice before they lash out £500 or so on the latest top-end handset.

Mrs Hearthly has a 2nd Gen Moto G and it's a cracking little phone, only thing that's a bit sub-par is the camera but apparently that's fixed on the 3rd Gen.

If it weren't for MT's nonsensical pricing structure (see previous post) that almost 'forces' you into getting a new phone every two years, I'd be on a 2nd Gen Moto G myself, with an eye on an upgrade to a 3rd Gen.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
:boots:


I don't think that icon means what you think it means.

Hearthly wrote:
folks should really think twice before they lash out £500 or so on the latest top-end handset.


I think folk should spend their money on whatever they want personally. This is one of those things where because you don't do something you're mystified about why other people do and then you bang on about it for ages rather than just accepting it.
Author:  Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Bamba wrote:
I don't think that icon means what you think it means.



It says BIG STAMPY BOOTS.

Quote:
I think folk should spend their money on whatever they want personally. This is one of those things where because you don't do something you're mystified about why other people do and then you bang on about it for ages rather than just accepting it.


This is where I mention something a couple of times and you insist I'm 'banging on for ages' about it.

Also, I was reporting what PC Pro said, and not even presenting it as my own opinion.

EDIT - Wow, totally fucked up the quotes there.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Google Android
Hearthly wrote:
It says BIG STAMPY BOOTS.


Yes, but what do you think it means? I'm not being a dick here, I'm genuinely asking as it's more than possible I've picked up the wrong meaning from context myself. Whenever I've seen it used it's specifically because someone's made a joke and someone else has wrongly taken it as a serious post and explained it away.

Hearthly wrote:
This is where I mention something a couple of times and you insist I'm 'banging on for ages' about it.


Pretty much every post you've made here today has talked about it. Also, this isn't the first time you've lectured on this specific theme so you'll need to forgive me for seeing it as a favourite of yours.
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