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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 21:41 
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The notification should be in the "by the way" section: it should be at the bottom of the notifications, it should only be a single line, and it shouldn't put an icon in the status bar. Is that not the case?


All of those things are true, it's still really annoying. A notification should be of something you actually want to be notified of. Something sitting permanently in there is not that. If I swipe the widow shade (or whatever we're calling it now) down I want to see stuff I should, or could, action. Again, something sitting there permanently is not that. It makes it busy and irritating and harder to tell at-a-glance what I should be dealing with and what is just utterly pointless noise. In my opinion, of course.

The apps in question, in case it matters, are Pebble, Three in Touch and Twilight.

Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing. There maybe something I can do about that (tap it, swipe it, hold it down, go into the notification options and tap, swipe or hold down one of the greyed out options that's actually secretly reactive if you somehow already know it fucking is because of course) but I simply cannot be fucked playing around with this stuff any further.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 21:44 
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I can do a more constructive critique on this later when I can be bothered, but the entire Notifications settings app is a UX shitshow the like of which I've rarely seen.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 21:49 
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Note that Oreo changes the way background processing works, so there's a fair chance that what the app Devs have done is throw in a hack as a workaround for the changes.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 21:51 
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All of those things are true, it's still really annoying. A notification should be of something you actually want to be notified of.
Yes, and believe me, an app running a foreground service that is choosing down on your battery is something most people want to be notified of. This isn't supposition, and this change wasn't made lightly (I've read the product design doc.)

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Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing.
I'm not completely sure but I think this is something the app developer can change in an update.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 22:05 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Yes, and believe me, an app running a foreground service that is choosing down on your battery is something most people want to be notified of. This isn't supposition, and this change wasn't made lightly (I've read the product design doc.)


Sure, and I've no issue of being initially notified of such things, but it's about control. I've seen the notification and I'm happy to accept what's going on but I *cannot* choose for the notification to fuck off; that's something Oreo will just not allow me to do. So that's annoying in and of itself, but it has a much more damaging long term impact: I'm much less likely to care or notice if something new arrives in that list; potentially something I should care about. Notification overload is totally a thing and anything that adds to that is sabotaging it's own efforts.

Also, I think we're kidding ourselves with the idea that most Android users are going to give a fuck here. The person in the street isn't going to understand or care about the significance of these notifications so it's almost instantly just going to become noise to them. Adding nothing to their experience and just low key negatively impacting their experience.

So power users get some initially useful info but end up annoyed at the lack of control, and everyone else just gets more nonsense they don't understand that trains them to ignore notifications. I'm simplifying that a bit of course, but I genuinely don't see this as a step forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 22:09 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing.
I'm not completely sure but I think this is something the app developer can change in an update.


Hmm, really? This isn't notification from the app but something generated from Android System because it's detected an app running in a certain mode; isn't that then out of the developer's control? Genuine question because, as always, I'm genuinely interested. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 23:45 
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The fix is probably not to run it in that mode - and instead to find a different way of backgrounding

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:37 
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My S7 started showing me more notifications recently, without me changing any settings or asking for them, yes you can turn them off and tell them to fuck off when they appear - but as a general rule I think a device changing its behaviour for 'reasons' is a bad idea.

'25 minutes to work, the usual traffic'. Yeah cheers, fuck off.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:46 
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My S7 started showing me more notifications recently, without me changing any settings or asking for them, yes you can turn them off and tell them to fuck off when they appear - but as a general rule I think a device changing its behaviour for 'reasons' is a bad idea.

I think it's a really good idea when Google are constantly updating and adding new things that are actually often quite useful. How else would I find out that it can do that sort of thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:52 
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A 'Here's some new stuff you might want to look at' splash screen, perhaps, like they do with other things?

Anyway, notifications are something we've been seeing for years already, and everyone already knows where the settings are for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:58 
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My phone must be about four years old now and its behaviour has changed completely over that time, mostly without me actually asking it to and pretty much all for the better. I dunno I just really struggle to imagine getting upset about a little icon at the top appearing essentially just to ask me if I want some new thing they've come up with.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:10 
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I didn't get upset, I just pressed the fuck off button.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:12 
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Oh, ok. You just sounded a little upset.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:21 
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I find the traffic updates really useful. I often get a notification on my watch about another snarl up on the M6 on the way home and I can sometimes avoid it as a result.

I suppose on the Isle of Man the traffic updates are more "Highwayman alert, stay in your carriage around Ramsay"

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:50 
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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:52 
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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


All the roads were in the right place. Would use again. 7/10.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:55 
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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


All the roads were in the right place. Would use again. 7/10.


:D

I haven't been asked to review any major arterial routes yet, but I do get loads of notifications asking me to review restaurants and takeaways if I happen to loiter near one for more than a few seconds.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:00 
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I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:00 
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I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I use them loads, now.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:02 
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I find the traffic updates really useful. I often get a notification on my watch about another snarl up on the M6 on the way home and I can sometimes avoid it as a result.


I haven't got round to turning those off yet. I work from home and don't drive, so they're largely irrelevant to me. Maybe I subconsciously like to see other people stuck in traffic.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:08 
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Kern wrote:
I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I tried to conduct an entire email conversation using them. My friend ended up thinking I was being a facetious prick.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:10 
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Kern wrote:
I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I tried to conduct an entire email conversation using them. My friend ended up thinking I was being a facetious prick.


:DD

How do you know he wasn't using them too?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:19 
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Kern wrote:
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Kern wrote:
I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I tried to conduct an entire email conversation using them. My friend ended up thinking I was being a facetious prick.


:DD

How do you know he wasn't using them too?


That would be excellent, two Google AIs having a row with themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:34 
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Kern wrote:
I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I use them loads, now.


Does yours have suggested answers of "Yes", "Absolutely", "Here is a picture of me and Julia Bradbury"?

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:04 
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IMPORTANT NOTIFICATION JUST RECEIVED.

'27 minutes to work, the usual traffic'.

That's handy, since I've told these to fuck off once already, and it's Saturday, so I'm not going to work. These algorithms are (a) Disobedient and (b) A bit shit sometimes.

What with all the movement and location tracking, surely it knows what my working patterns are by now, when Google asked how much they could track of what I do, with whom, when and how, I accepted everything and cheerfully turned my life over to them - so come on chaps, keep up your end.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:59 
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Obey the algorithms, go to work. It knows something you don't. The algorithms are infallible.


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We went to Pets At Home instead, which I have been invited to rate. Via a notification.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Long press on the notification and mute them.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 19:41 
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Hearthly wrote:
My S7 started showing me more notifications recently, without me changing any settings or asking for them, yes you can turn them off and tell them to fuck off when they appear - but as a general rule I think a device changing its behaviour for 'reasons' is a bad idea.

'25 minutes to work, the usual traffic'. Yeah cheers, fuck off.


It's possibly worth noting that this is all a Google Maps thing rather than Android specifically so it'll likely have come from an app update. After seeing your posts I finally got annoyed enough with the traffic ones to go into GMaps and turn off all the notification options, of which there are shitloads.


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