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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 17:21 
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I remember when Android was cheaper than Apple

The 6+ is about £800...


Yes the 128GB is that...wow

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£500 for a fucking phone.

The world apparently went mad years ago but I never noticed for some reason.


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Yeah but Android was supposed to be the cheaper alternative, pitching the Nexus 6 directly against the iPhone6 price wise isn't a great move IMO.

I originally moved to Android because I thought the money Apple was after for the iPhone4 (or the 3GS, can't remember) at the time was daft. Now Google are after daft money as well.


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Yeah but Android was supposed to be the cheaper alternative


Has that ever actually been a stated aim of Android?

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pitching the Nexus 6 directly against the iPhone6 price wise isn't a great move IMO.


Taken on a pure spec basis the Nexus 6 would really be better compared to iPhone 6+ which it is genuinely a chunk cheaper than as discussed above.

Also, in the above, you're conflating Android with Google Nexus hardware. If you want a smart phone that's cheaper than an iPhone then Android is the best game in town because you have the option to get something cheaper (with Apple responding to that with the 5C to some degree). Top spec premium hardware costs more regardless of the OS though, that's just how it goes.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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£500 for a fucking phone. The world's gone mad.
Don't you routinely trumpet the benefits of £1000 PCs over £350 games consoles?

Bamba wrote:
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Yeah but Android was supposed to be the cheaper alternative
Has that ever actually been a stated aim of Android?
Nowhere I've ever seen.

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The 6+ is about £800...

And has 1 GB of RAM, compared to the Nexus 6's 3 GB. I'm not obsessed with specs but I feel the iPhone's relative paucity of RAM bite every time I see Safari reload tabs I wasn't finished with. Sometimes with half-written forum posts in, which is most annoying.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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As soon as it booted up and logged me in it asked if I wanted to copy the setup over from my Nexus 10. When I said yes it presented me with a list of all the apps currently installed on the N10 so I could choose which ones to put on the N9. After that it went one better and actually recreated my entire home screen setup from one tablet to the other; all the folders, icons and even widgets from the N10 were put in the same place on the N9 (with any configurable widgets having 'tap to setup' text overlaid on the to prompt me to set them up as I wanted them). What was very cool was the way it recreated the home screen setup instantly with all the app and widget icons greyed out and, as each application was installed in the background, the relevant icon or widget would colour in to show it was ready. I presume these are all features specific to the GEL launcher, and possibly even to Lollipop, but I'd never heard that it did this so was very impressed.
It's a bit of both. Homescreen layout restores is a feature of GEL, regardless of Android version. The process of restoring backups taken under K or L is better in L. And I believe the backup process itself is also better under L (although unless you had a dev preview on your N10 you won't have seen that.)


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Changing the subject slightly... opinions on this el cheapo kids tablet please. It's a for a 2 year old.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Apparently it's pretty good, especially for the money.

Battery is really bad, though (about an hour with use - which might be enough for a two year old, of course).

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An hour. Yikes. One of the reviews says after a few charges, the battery is calibrated. Hmm... worth a £30 gamble?


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An hour. Yikes. One of the reviews says after a few charges, the battery is calibrated. Hmm... worth a £30 gamble?

A responsible parent wouldn't allow a child to use it for longer than that anyway.

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An hour. Yikes. One of the reviews says after a few charges, the battery is calibrated. Hmm... worth a £30 gamble?

A responsible parent wouldn't allow a child to use it for longer than that anyway.


Why not?

If they are watching a film or tv program.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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ok

TOO LATE

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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American Nervoso wrote:
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An hour. Yikes. One of the reviews says after a few charges, the battery is calibrated. Hmm... worth a £30 gamble?

A responsible parent wouldn't allow a child to use it for longer than that anyway.


No. Because the little shit somehow almost ordered the entirety of Dolly Parton's back catalogue when she had my Fire

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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An hour. Yikes. One of the reviews says after a few charges, the battery is calibrated. Hmm... worth a £30 gamble?

A responsible parent wouldn't allow a child to use it for longer than that anyway.


No. Because the little shit somehow almost ordered the entirety of Dolly Parton's back catalogue when she had my Fire

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Nexus 6 reviews embargo is up. Here's the Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/12/7200 ... s-6-review


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The Guardian's review of the Nexus 9: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... g-or-apple

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Lots of middling reviews for the Nexus 9, for the money they're asking (£399 for the 32GB model), an iPad Air 32GB for £359 makes it look pretty stupid.

Nearly all the reviews I've read mention the laggy user experience and slightly-not-there build quality of the Nexus 9, simply not acceptable in a £400 tablet. (I'm discounting the 16GB model as that's scarcely a usable amount of space on a tablet these days.)


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The Guardian's review of the Nexus 9: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... g-or-apple


I admit that I haven't spent a massive amount of time with mine as yet but I'd disagree with aspects of that review. There's certainly no 'rough edges' on mine and it's a really weird thing to accuse the screen of being a fingerprint magnet as I can't see how it possibly attracts more fingerprints than any other touchscreen device. The performance on mine is smooth as you like throughout as well, certainly it's noticeable nippier than any other Android device I've owned and a lot more pleasant to swipe around in than even the latest Samsung tablets. The point about the 'loose' back is absolutely true though and real ball-drop on HTCs part. I'll never notice it once I finally get a case for the thing but there are areas of the back where it's noticeably not attached to the body of the thing very well which is irritating.

One of the commenters on that article notes that the reviews for the N9 are all over the shop and it almost seems like people are reviewing two different devices which I agree with, the range of different opinions on certain aspects is very odd. Generally speaking though I don't think that review reads very well either as an article in itself or as a critique. I think it's the 'dumbed down' style of it compared to, say, an Engadget review that's annoying me but I appreciate it's potentially two different audiences.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I don't think I'd turn to the grauniad for tech reviews any more than I would the news.I thougt the review was half finished. It just seemed to stop.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Lollipop rollout is go! Nexus owners should see OTA prompts soon.


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Lollipop rollout is go! Nexus owners should see OTA prompts soon.

Any weird things expected to happen after you upgrade, or is it a case of suck it and see?

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One of the commenters on that article notes that the reviews for the N9 are all over the shop and it almost seems like people are reviewing two different devices which I agree with, the range of different opinions on certain aspects is very odd. Generally speaking though I don't think that review reads very well either as an article in itself or as a critique. I think it's the 'dumbed down' style of it compared to, say, an Engadget review that's annoying me but I appreciate it's potentially two different audiences.


This review goes into a lot more detail and seems pretty even-handed and comprehensive.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/11 ... omparison/

Again the build quality and screen issues are mentioned.

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Build quality / quality control issues that border on embarrassing. Light bleed, back flex, snapping noises, and a general feeling of low-cost hardware. It's not just me, either, complaints are increasingly common.

K1 Denver just does not seem to be shaping up as the performance powerhouse we hoped it would be, the Nexus 9 stutters and lags at times, and generally is just kind of rough around the edges.


Pictures of shonky ones here - http://www.idigitaltimes.com/nexus-9-pr ... ers-393867

If the tablet was dramatically undercutting what Apple were charging for iPads maybe it'd get cut some slack, but they're asking more than iPad Air money, and not much less than iPad Air 2 money.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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My experience is different. :shrug:


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Yes, that's what happens when you have poor quality control, people's experiences differ.


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Is there a nexus 6 and a nexus 9 being released at the same time?

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Is there a nexus 6 and a nexus 9 being released at the same time?


Almost. They were announced at the same time and the Nexus 9 is available to buy right now worldwide but the Nexus 6 can't be ordered quite yet (in the UK at least). They've put the price and range of models up on the website so the actual ordering is expected to open soon.


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Yes, that's what happens when you have poor quality control, people's experiences differ.


Aye, that does seem to be the case.


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Is there a nexus 6 and a nexus 9 being released at the same time?

I believe they were meant to be the same device, but the quality control was so poor they've got an acceptable screen size range of three inches.

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Is there a nexus 6 and a nexus 9 being released at the same time?

I believe they were meant to be the same device, but the quality control was so poor they've got an acceptable screen size range of three inches.


As a casual consumer, that is quite ridiculous.

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Is there a nexus 6 and a nexus 9 being released at the same time?

I believe they were meant to be the same device, but the quality control was so poor they've got an acceptable screen size range of three inches.


As a casual consumer, that is quite ridiculous.


That Google have released two devices with different screen sizes or that myp's jokes are so awful?


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That Google have released two devices with different screen sizes or that myp's jokes are so awful?

Your face is so awful.

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So lollipop then? Loads of changes, including the keyboard layout. Seems okay, but the changes to the options bars from swiping the top down are a little annoying. Also it has broken my camera login option. And marvel puzzle quest.

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Holy fuc k lollipop is a mess! It is virtually unusable. Massive input lag, black screens, apps just dying, previously good apps not working, freezing so much freezing! The facial recognition login doesn't work at all now! And I am using this on a Nexus. Seriously, don't "upgrade" yet if you haven't, it is really shit.

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Overall it's been OK for me on a Nexus 5, battery life seems a touch better, general use is snappy and responsive (but then again it was snappy and responsive before).

Not sure any of the random UI changes seem 'better', they're just different.

It has broken my Reflex fruit machines app (waiting on an update for that now), and Hola went nuts and drained the battery constantly so I had to uninstall it.

On balance it's not made my phone any better, and I miss my fruit machines app, would go back to the previous Android version if I could.

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My banking app didn't work on my Nexus 9 but it has since been updated and apart from that I haven't really had any issues. I do use my tablet a lot less than my phone though, and much fewer apps even when I am using it, so it's probably not as good a test as others are getting here. It definitely hasn't been anything close to virtually unusable though.

ETA: I just remembered that my video playing app of choice didn't work on lollipop either but there was a nightly build available that worked round that.


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It was fine on Mrs Grim...'s Nexus 5.

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Nexus 7 - original (2013?). Weird that it is okay on others, it is really, really bad on mine. Soo, slow. I was trying to use it last night, and playing Marvel PQ, and you know where the loading screen goes through the Hero's symbols, there was maybe one every 3/4 seconds, rather than 2/second as usual. Pressing any of the bottom buttons takes ages to respond. Chrome seems to lock out, the keyboard stutters onto the screen in jagged animation, then the screen goes black, when it comes back the keyboard is just a white box covering 1/3 of the screen!

The worst thing is, I can't roll-back as apparently that wipes the SD card.


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Nexus 7 - original (2013?). Weird that it is okay on others, it is really, really bad on mine. Soo, slow. I was trying to use it last night, and playing Marvel PQ, and you know where the loading screen goes through the Hero's symbols, there was maybe one every 3/4 seconds, rather than 2/second as usual. Pressing any of the bottom buttons takes ages to respond. Chrome seems to lock out, the keyboard stutters onto the screen in jagged animation, then the screen goes black, when it comes back the keyboard is just a white box covering 1/3 of the screen!

The worst thing is, I can't roll-back as apparently that wipes the SD card.

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I can't roll-back as apparently that wipes the SD card.


Well, yeah, you'd be reinstalling the entire OS so it's going to take the contents of single chunk of internal storage with it. Although I'm not sure how that means you can't roll it back; just back up any photos or whatever and you're ready to go surely?


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http://9to5google.com/2014/11/19/2012-e ... ight-help/

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I just received the OTA update. It runs very smoothly on my Nexus 4.


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It's been waiting on my nexus 4 for a few days. Mainly waiting for feedback.

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This cache clear didn't fix, sadly. It made it a little bit better, but it is still way worse than it was before!


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My Gmail android client updated today.
Whereas before I had the account name in the banner of the widget, now it has gone and just says "inbox" in a garish red banner.

Thanks for that Google, now I can't tell which email account I'm looking at, at a glance.

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