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It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.

JohnCoffey wrote:

If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

I really don't like cycling, I mean I don't mind riding bikes but any distance and it just doesn't really agree with me. I don't know why, I love running but cycling just annoys me. But I'm thinking that once our daughter is in primary school I might start commuting by bike, it's a nice route along the sea front where I only need to take to the road for two or three miles at the start/end. But due to the lack of any showers at work and also and my aforementioned dislike of pedalling a long way I was thinking of one of them there e-bike conversion kits. Does anyone have any experience with them?

KovacsC wrote:

If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

Wait, that's not even sort-of true.

Unless you remove stuff from your bike as part of the service

KovacsC wrote:

JohnCoffey wrote:

If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc.

Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to.

Got the pussy post to give my arse a break

markg wrote:

Yes, they're awkward and fiddly. Buy a Bosch motored forme or Peugeot or something for £1200 on the cycle to work scheme.

JohnCoffey wrote:

KovacsC wrote:

JohnCoffey wrote:

If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

You really don't want to try a carbon frame then

JohnCoffey wrote:

I always found a heavier bike easier to control when airborne; lightweight bikes a lot more twitchy.

Does it drive the sprocket, or straight to the back wheel?

Cool! Does it have regenerative what ever so you can get electricity back when you go down hills?

Nice one. Look forward to you adding more LiPos / LEDs

After the first fifty miles I'm absolutely bloody loving this bike. What a joyous way to travel, only slightly more than walking effort but zipping along at 15-20 on the seafront. Worked out that if I can take it to work three days a week then it'll pay for itself, in fuel costs alone, in a couple of years. Although it remains to be seen how enthused I'll still be when it's dark and pissing it down in the middle of winter.

is this...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vandorm-Legend ... =bike+pump

a decent pump for the price?

Author:	KovacsC [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:25 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

Author:	JohnCoffey [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:43 ]
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KovacsC wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong.... Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc. Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to.

Author:	Grim... [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:49 ]
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KovacsC wrote: If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong.... Wait, that's not even sort-of true. Unless you remove stuff from your bike as part of the service

Author:	krazywookie [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 13:42 ]
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markg wrote: I really don't like cycling, I mean I don't mind riding bikes but any distance and it just doesn't really agree with me. I don't know why, I love running but cycling just annoys me. But I'm thinking that once our daughter is in primary school I might start commuting by bike, it's a nice route along the sea front where I only need to take to the road for two or three miles at the start/end. But due to the lack of any showers at work and also and my aforementioned dislike of pedalling a long way I was thinking of one of them there e-bike conversion kits. Does anyone have any experience with them? Yes, they're awkward and fiddly. Buy a Bosch motored forme or Peugeot or something for £1200 on the cycle to work scheme.

Author:	KovacsC [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 13:48 ]
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Grim... wrote: KovacsC wrote: If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong.... Wait, that's not even sort-of true. Unless you remove stuff from your bike as part of the service Less likely to go wrong then

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Author:	KovacsC [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 13:49 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote: KovacsC wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong.... Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc. Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to. You really don't want to try a carbon frame then

Author:	JohnCoffey [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 14:51 ]
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Never ridden a carbon frame. But yeah, alu bikes just feel weird. It's not just the shock to your wrists and hands either, your arse seems to take a pounding too. I rode a alu BMX a couple of years back and really didn't like it at all. I could have bought an alu cruiser (So Cal Flyer) but yeah, decided on 4130. Got the sussy post to give my arse a break

Author:	Zardoz [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 15:09 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote: Got the pussy post to give my arse a break

Author:	JohnCoffey [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 17:12 ]
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walked straight into that one, didn't I?

Author:	markg [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 17:13 ]
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krazywookie wrote: markg wrote: I really don't like cycling, I mean I don't mind riding bikes but any distance and it just doesn't really agree with me. I don't know why, I love running but cycling just annoys me. But I'm thinking that once our daughter is in primary school I might start commuting by bike, it's a nice route along the sea front where I only need to take to the road for two or three miles at the start/end. But due to the lack of any showers at work and also and my aforementioned dislike of pedalling a long way I was thinking of one of them there e-bike conversion kits. Does anyone have any experience with them? Yes, they're awkward and fiddly. Buy a Bosch motored forme or Peugeot or something for £1200 on the cycle to work scheme. I don't mind fiddly so much if it works in the end. But I've just done a bit of reading up on forums and it seems that there's some pretty reliable options out there. Really fancy the idea the more I think about it, if only to see how much it upsets all the bike nerds at work. Something to think about anyway.

Author:	Findus Fop [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 18:15 ]
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MarkG, I was looking into bike to work options lately after my folding bike folded terminally. If you're feeling spendy, you'll look the coolest dude in town on this: A Bike Or if you're spending less, I don't see a single thing wrong with this: Zoooooom

Author:	Warhead [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:16 ]
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Instead of buying a bike, you could move to Manchester and just hire a mobike whenever you need one, although they are having some teething problems. (The geeezer who posted this doesn't know how to spell Ancoats.)

Author:	DBSnappa [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:35 ]
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KovacsC wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: KovacsC wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong.... Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc. Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to. You really don't want to try a carbon frame then Carbon fibre should be more flexible than aluminium, it is effectively a plastic. The carbon fibre xc mountain bike I used to own was a lot more comfortable than any aluminium hardtail I ever rode.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:38 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. I always found a heavier bike easier to control when airborne; lightweight bikes a lot more twitchy.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:40 ]
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And a luggage rack!

Author:	markg [ Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:22 ]
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24KG so you wouldn't really want to be carrying it up a flight of stairs every day anywhere.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Aug 05, 2017 21:38 ]
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Or peddling it if the battery goes flat.

Author:	markg [ Tue Aug 08, 2017 21:15 ]
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It arrived earlier so I just got it all set up and had a quick spin. Love it, smooth on those big chunky tyres and even on the low assist setting it's pretty effortless and on the higher settings you're doing basically nothing. Not as bad to pedal with no power as I'd thought it might be either. Off to work on it in the morning, can't wait.

Author:	JohnCoffey [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 23:12 ]
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DBSnappa wrote: JohnCoffey wrote: It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX. And there's a lot less to go wrong too. I always found a heavier bike easier to control when airborne; lightweight bikes a lot more twitchy. Funny you say that. When I rode street during the 1990s I had a Standard STA. I'm serious man, this bike was like a motorbike. It weighed nearly 50 lbs. That was it there. That was my gap bike (dropping off walls, transitioning etc) and it was like an ox. It had to carry me, and I was about 14 stone back then. LOL have a look at the dropouts. Tank

Author:	markg [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:39 ]
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Ordered this motorbike just now: Not as pretty as the other one I was looking at but I don't really need a mountain bike with suspension forks etc. This is a lot more suited to what I want it for, has a bigger battery and a stronger motor, should be capable of 40-50 miles even if I can't be fucked with really pedalling. Arrives Tuesday, can't wait!

Author:	markg [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:48 ]
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Yeah, that's one of the things that I figured I would probably have ended up getting for the other one anyway. I'll have a laptop sometimes, perhaps different shoes, hefty bike lock etc.

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:01 ]
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How much does it weigh?

Author:	DavPaz [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:42 ]
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Does it make a milk float noise?

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:03 ]
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Did you get to work?

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:09 ]
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Yeah loved it! Pretty much stayed at 20mph or so on the flat parts, which is a decent enough clip on a bike and for most of the time the motor wasn't really doing anything. Although it's a heavy bike once it's up to speed you can switch to pedal power and it's not hard at all to keep it going with just your legs. Mostly used the motor for pulling away from lights, keeping the same speed up the few shallow hills I encounter or cycling into headwinds. I think riding it like this I'll probably be charging it only once a week or so. So I arrived at work feeling like I'd had a bit of exercise but hadn't broken a sweat which was exactly what I was after really. I'll easily be able to cycle home and get there feeling just nicely warmed up for a run.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:12 ]
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Super!

Author:	DavPaz [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:14 ]
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Does it drive the sprocket, or straight to the back wheel?

Author:	Squirt [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:20 ]
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Cool! Does it have regenerative what ever so you can get electricity back when you go down hills?

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:23 ]
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DavPaz wrote: Does it drive the sprocket, or straight to the back wheel? This one's a hub motor driving the rear wheel directly. Which is the simplest type of setup but also has some advantages in terms of longevity of the other components since it's not putting all the torque through the chain and gears. The disadvantage is that it's not ideal for very hilly places since the motor can't benefit from the gearing to stay in it's ideal rpm range.

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:24 ]
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Nice one. Look forward to you adding more LiPos / LEDs

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:29 ]
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Squirt wrote: Cool! Does it have regenerative what ever so you can get electricity back when you go down hills? No, it's not really worth it for a bike I don't think, there's just not enough mass to make it worthwhile.

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:30 ]
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Zardoz wrote: Nice one. Look forward to you adding more LiPos / LEDs Already done a remap! (went into the controller settings and moderately increased the speed at which the motor cuts out)

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:48 ]
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Make sure you fit bigger brakes and an uprated clutch then too mate.

Author:	Squirt [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:55 ]
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How does it charge? Do you literally just have a mains adaptor to plug it into?

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:56 ]
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Yeah, just a thing that looks like the power brick for a laptop.

Author:	KovacsC [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:48 ]
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Fab...

Author:	markg [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 18:10 ]
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Covered 30 miles today. Cycled ten miles getting home and then couldn't resist going out an doing another ten. It's just a really nice way of getting around, I was putting in the same amount of effort as a leisurely bike ride but just going loads faster and further. Felt really bad for all the people struggling against the wind who I just breezed past on the way home Although props to the guy on the road bike who tucked right in behind me for a mile or two and kept up.

Author:	JohnCoffey [ Wed Aug 09, 2017 20:48 ]
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I had an electric bike once and you're right, it's very easy to cover distance on one. I could do ten miles on mine without even breaking a sweat There used to be a hill at my mum's as you got toward her house and it's pretty tough. You would see people getting off and pushing their bikes up the hill, whilst I just overtook them and whirred past You're making me miss mine now !