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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:25 
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It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:43 
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JohnCoffey wrote:
It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....


Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc.

Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to.

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:49 
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If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

Wait, that's not even sort-of true.

Unless you remove stuff from your bike as part of the service :)

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 13:42 
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I really don't like cycling, I mean I don't mind riding bikes but any distance and it just doesn't really agree with me. I don't know why, I love running but cycling just annoys me. But I'm thinking that once our daughter is in primary school I might start commuting by bike, it's a nice route along the sea front where I only need to take to the road for two or three miles at the start/end. But due to the lack of any showers at work and also and my aforementioned dislike of pedalling a long way I was thinking of one of them there e-bike conversion kits. Does anyone have any experience with them?

Yes, they're awkward and fiddly. Buy a Bosch motored forme or Peugeot or something for £1200 on the cycle to work scheme.


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
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KovacsC wrote:
If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....

Wait, that's not even sort-of true.

Unless you remove stuff from your bike as part of the service :)



Less likely to go wrong then :P

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
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It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....


Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc.

Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to.


You really don't want to try a carbon frame then :P

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 14:51 
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Never ridden a carbon frame. But yeah, alu bikes just feel weird. It's not just the shock to your wrists and hands either, your arse seems to take a pounding too. I rode a alu BMX a couple of years back and really didn't like it at all.

I could have bought an alu cruiser (So Cal Flyer) but yeah, decided on 4130. Got the sussy post to give my arse a break :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 15:09 
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Got the pussy post to give my arse a break :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 17:12 
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walked straight into that one, didn't I? :facepalm:

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 17:13 
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krazywookie wrote:
markg wrote:
I really don't like cycling, I mean I don't mind riding bikes but any distance and it just doesn't really agree with me. I don't know why, I love running but cycling just annoys me. But I'm thinking that once our daughter is in primary school I might start commuting by bike, it's a nice route along the sea front where I only need to take to the road for two or three miles at the start/end. But due to the lack of any showers at work and also and my aforementioned dislike of pedalling a long way I was thinking of one of them there e-bike conversion kits. Does anyone have any experience with them?

Yes, they're awkward and fiddly. Buy a Bosch motored forme or Peugeot or something for £1200 on the cycle to work scheme.

I don't mind fiddly so much if it works in the end. But I've just done a bit of reading up on forums and it seems that there's some pretty reliable options out there. Really fancy the idea the more I think about it, if only to see how much it upsets all the bike nerds at work. Something to think about anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 18:15 
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MarkG, I was looking into bike to work options lately after my folding bike folded terminally.

If you're feeling spendy, you'll look the coolest dude in town on this:

A Bike

Or if you're spending less, I don't see a single thing wrong with this:

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:16 
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Instead of buying a bike, you could move to Manchester and just hire a mobike whenever you need one, although they are having some teething problems. (The geeezer who posted this doesn't know how to spell Ancoats.)
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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:35 
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KovacsC wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
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JohnCoffey wrote:
It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


If a bike is serviced properly, there is less to go wrong....


Yup and there is far more to service on a bike with gears. I never could get my head around tuning gears. And when they are not right it's horrible. Clicking, skipping, jumping chain etc.

Going back to the weight thing. I don't like light bikes. I've got an Alu bike here, and I don't like how firstly it feels like you are riding on air but I don't like how most of the shock from going over bumps etc all seems to go into your wrist. I don't like suspension bikes, so yeah, prefer a good 4130 for riding. Tis not like I'm flying through the air or anything daft like I used to.


You really don't want to try a carbon frame then :P

Carbon fibre should be more flexible than aluminium, it is effectively a plastic. The carbon fibre xc mountain bike I used to own was a lot more comfortable than any aluminium hardtail I ever rode.

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 20:38 
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JohnCoffey wrote:
It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


I always found a heavier bike easier to control when airborne; lightweight bikes a lot more twitchy.

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
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JohnCoffey wrote:
It's 13.65kg "stock". However mine isn't stock. I bought the frame, forks and brakes from the U.S.A and have used lighter parts all over than the stock SE parts. As an example those Araya copy wheels are half as wide as the ones that come on the bike and the tyres are half the size. So yeah, have shaved some weight off but it is a heavy frame. It's a replica of the 1979 Quadangle. The bike that basically invented BMX.

And there's a lot less to go wrong too.


I always found a heavier bike easier to control when airborne; lightweight bikes a lot more twitchy.


Funny you say that. When I rode street during the 1990s I had a Standard STA. I'm serious man, this bike was like a motorbike. It weighed nearly 50 lbs.

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That was it there. That was my gap bike (dropping off walls, transitioning etc) and it was like an ox. It had to carry me, and I was about 14 stone back then.

LOL have a look at the dropouts.

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Tank :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:39 
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Ordered this motorbike just now:

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Not as pretty as the other one I was looking at but I don't really need a mountain bike with suspension forks etc. This is a lot more suited to what I want it for, has a bigger battery and a stronger motor, should be capable of 40-50 miles even if I can't be fucked with really pedalling. Arrives Tuesday, can't wait!


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And a luggage rack!


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:48 
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Yeah, that's one of the things that I figured I would probably have ended up getting for the other one anyway. I'll have a laptop sometimes, perhaps different shoes, hefty bike lock etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:01 
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How much does it weigh?

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24KG so you wouldn't really want to be carrying it up a flight of stairs every day anywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 21:38 
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Or peddling it if the battery goes flat.

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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 21:15 
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It arrived earlier so I just got it all set up and had a quick spin. Love it, smooth on those big chunky tyres and even on the low assist setting it's pretty effortless and on the higher settings you're doing basically nothing. Not as bad to pedal with no power as I'd thought it might be either. Off to work on it in the morning, can't wait.


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:42 
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Does it make a milk float noise?


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 Post subject: Re: Bikes
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:03 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:09 
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Yeah loved it! Pretty much stayed at 20mph or so on the flat parts, which is a decent enough clip on a bike and for most of the time the motor wasn't really doing anything. Although it's a heavy bike once it's up to speed you can switch to pedal power and it's not hard at all to keep it going with just your legs.

Mostly used the motor for pulling away from lights, keeping the same speed up the few shallow hills I encounter or cycling into headwinds. I think riding it like this I'll probably be charging it only once a week or so. So I arrived at work feeling like I'd had a bit of exercise but hadn't broken a sweat which was exactly what I was after really. I'll easily be able to cycle home and get there feeling just nicely warmed up for a run.


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Does it drive the sprocket, or straight to the back wheel?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:20 
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Cool! Does it have regenerative what ever so you can get electricity back when you go down hills?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:23 
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DavPaz wrote:
Does it drive the sprocket, or straight to the back wheel?
This one's a hub motor driving the rear wheel directly. Which is the simplest type of setup but also has some advantages in terms of longevity of the other components since it's not putting all the torque through the chain and gears. The disadvantage is that it's not ideal for very hilly places since the motor can't benefit from the gearing to stay in it's ideal rpm range.


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Nice one. Look forward to you adding more LiPos / LEDs :D

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