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NervousPete · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2016 0:06

Just seen Civil War. Pretty darn good, refreshing plot, great fights and very good character work. Flags just a little a third of the way in where momentum sort of fails, but soon picks up speed again resulting in a great finale. Best fight I think everyone will agree on.

I'd rate it in top 8 Marvel movies, still no Avengers and doesn't have the on-the-run tension of Winter Soldier, but still a darn good film. 4/5 from me. Might go up a little on eventual DVD re-watch.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

It's also very funny. Falcon and Ant-Man and Spiderman get many good lines.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:14

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It's also very funny. Falcon and Ant-Man and Spiderman get many good lines.

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"Mr Stank?"

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2016 13:03

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It's also very funny. Falcon and Ant-Man and Spiderman get many good lines.

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Demented laughter from the giant Ant-Man was the audience's biggest laugh-out-loud moment.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Just rewatched Drive, seen it a couple of times before, but not for a while.

Damn that's a good movie.

Edit: Only God Forgives is better though. Tbh all of NWR's movies are outstanding.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2016 18:29

I really enjoyed Civil war, seen it twice now.. i really good hero romp. one of my friends said too my super heroes in it and did not know the characters. Don't think she has watched other Marvel films

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

LewieP wrote:

Just rewatched Drive, seen it a couple of times before, but not for a while.

Damn that's a good movie.

Edit: Only God Forgives is better though. Tbh all of NWR's movies are outstanding.

I'd rate Drive as the better of the two myself, but there's not much in it.

Seen both films three or four times now, they're both absolutely superb, you almost feel them more than watch them.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2016 20:33

Drive is rubbish you goons. Days of Thunder is so much better

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5146

Episode VII is excellent second time round.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2016 23:21

Watched The Family last night and really enjoyed it. So much so, we've just watched Goodfella's.

RuySan · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3542

Hearthly wrote:

LewieP wrote:

Just rewatched Drive, seen it a couple of times before, but not for a while.

Damn that's a good movie.

Edit: Only God Forgives is better though. Tbh all of NWR's movies are outstanding.

I'd rate Drive as the better of the two myself, but there's not much in it.

Seen both films three or four times now, they're both absolutely superb, you almost feel them more than watch them.

Valhalla Rising is the best Nwr film. Drive is also great even though I still can't forgive what happened to Christina Hendricks character.

Only god forgives was boring. A pretty kind of boring, but still boring.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 10:21

Woop! Civil War time!

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 10:22

Balls. We paid for coffee and could have gotten it free. MrsA's housekeeping has been adjusted accordingly.

There are 9 people in the cinema, 6 of which are over 12

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 13:53

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble. Took me a while to realise I haven't seen a couple of the other films so that's why I didn't know why everyone knew each other.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 14:08

MaliA wrote:

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble.

That covers a lot of Marvel films

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble.

That covers a lot of Marvel films

Most of them, by my count...!

KovacsC · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 14:28

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble.

That covers a lot of Marvel films

Most of them, by my count...!

Not any of the fantastic four films?

myp · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 14:53

KovacsC wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble.

That covers a lot of Marvel films

Most of them, by my count...!

Not any of the fantastic four films?

While they used Marvel characters, they weren't Marvel films or part of the MCU.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:14

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Better than Ultron, not as good as Assemble.

That covers a lot of Marvel films

Most of them, by my count...!

And it's funny, because Ultron isn't by any means a bad film. It has fun bits, good one-liners and some great fights. It just goes on for far too long and ends up being agonisingly indecisive as to whether Tony Stark has changed or learnt anything or not. It's a film I had a good time watching at the cinema, but there's no desire to re-watch it. Whereas Avengers Assemble is screwball joyous fun.

Anyway, guess that Ultron's low placement means the Marvel batting average is pretty good.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:22

Assemble
Guardians
Thor
Civil War
Captain America 1
Thor 2

The others I haven't seen I dob't think. They've gone a bit Bourney in my mind.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Watch the Iron Mans (well, one and three) and Ant Man at least, fewl.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Also if you watched Civil War without seeing Winter Soldier it must have been more than a little confusing.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:24

Cras wrote:

Watch the Iron Mans (well, one and three) and Ant Man at least, fewl.

Oh yes. I forgot about iron mans.

They sit below guardians.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

MaliA wrote:

They sit below guardians.

Most things do. Because it's funny. A lesson DC seem utterly incapable of learning.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:27

Cras wrote:

Also if you watched Civil War without seeing Winter Soldier it must have been more than a little confusing.

Some bits were. Yes.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:42

Also, Winter Soldier is the best one, aside from Assemble, and possibly Gurdians.

(IMI)

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

What the shit.

Malc · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 15:47

My top 5:

1) Assemble
2) Guardians
3) Ant Man
4) Winter Soldier
5) Civil War

Guardians is close behind Assemble, Ant Man & Winter Soldier could easily swap around depending on the mood I'm in. Civil War (which I've only seen the once) had some bits that were better than Winter Soldier, but some bits lacking, on repeat viewings it may get better. I think Age of Ultron went in at 3, and then slid down, possibly below Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 now as well.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Never really ranked them all. Here it goes.

Guardians of the Galaxy
(Daredevil season 1 would go here if it counts, not finished the second season yet)
Iron Man
Thor
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Marvel's The Avengers
Ant-Man
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Iron Man 3
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk

I liked Ultron more than you lot seem to have. It certainly made a bunch of misteps, but I enjoyed the downtime with all the characters, and I thought Ultron was a pretty good villain. I laughed more than I did in the first Avengers. The romance between Hulk and Black Widow was atrocious, and they didn't make particularly good use of Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch, but overall I enjoyed it plenty.

Edit: Even the bottom five on my list there I think have plenty of redeeming qualities. They really have managed to maintain a pretty high standard.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 16:15

Deadpool
Avengers Assemble
GotG
Iron Man
Ant-Man
Thor
Captain America: TWS
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor 2

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Deadpool (who I suppose can probably just get away with straddling different studios continuities given his superpower of being aware of the medium he is appearing in) was entertaining enough, but it really did have a shit plot. It was entirely carried by the (excellent) humour and (above average) excessive violence, but it was a pretty weak story. The central romantic relationship was paper thin and badly told, and the villain had very little going on. I enjoyed it, but I hope they do a better job of delivering the full package with the sequel.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 16:23

HOLD ME BACK

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

LewieP wrote:

Deadpool (who I suppose can probably just get away with straddling different studios continuities given his superpower of being aware of the medium he is appearing in) was entertaining enough, but it really did have a shit plot. It was entirely carried by the (excellent) humour and (above average) excessive violence, but it was a pretty weak story. The central romantic relationship was paper thin and badly told, and the villain had very little going on. I enjoyed it, but I hope they do a better job of delivering the full package with the sequel.

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LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

What bits do you disagree with?

It was a good movie, but the story and plot were legitimately bad.

GazChap · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 16:39

Whilst I enjoyed Civil War, I think I'm getting a condition which I'm dubbing "Marvel humour fatigue" - the quippy one liners and jokes are starting to wear a little thin, now.

There's only so many times we can see Tony Stark being an egotistical self-centred git, when in each film he's in his character arc seems to send him closer to a point where he is humbled by all that's around him, but by the next film it's business as usual.

I thought after Avengers 1 (and in Iron Man 3) they were really going to play up the PTSD angle, and I thought it worked really well. But then, at the end of IM3 he claims to be a changed man, and then by the next film it's all back to normal.

I know they *have* to do that, but it's just starting to grate.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

LewieP wrote:

What bits do you disagree with?

The point where you levelled a single criticism at the greatest film of all time. The plot had a deliberate comedy moment where Wade was sent to talk to a guy 'because it'll advance the plot, or something' - no film has ever had a better plot.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Yes. It had plenty of good jokes.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 16:55

HOW ARE YOU STILL POSTING

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Grim... wrote:

Deadpool

If you're going to start ranking Deadpool in there, you need to rank all the other Fox films. And then you'd probably have to do all the Sony ones too. This would be dull though.

GazChap wrote:

I thought after Avengers 1 (and in Iron Man 3) they were really going to play up the PTSD angle, and I thought it worked really well. But then, at the end of IM3 he claims to be a changed man, and then by the next film it's all back to normal.

I would have liked to have seen Demon In A Bottle at that point.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

GazChap wrote:

I thought after Avengers 1 (and in Iron Man 3) they were really going to play up the PTSD angle, and I thought it worked really well. But then, at the end of IM3 he claims to be a changed man, and then by the next film it's all back to normal.

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There are certainly parts where he's still doing his normal schtick but I was very struck by the scenes in the Civil War where he's trying to convince the others that some kind of regulation is needed; he was noticeably quieter and less dominant than usual--subdued and almost depressed seeming in places--which isn't a mood I think we've ever seen. During fights and when recruiting Spiderman we're back to nearly the usual Stark, but even then there's a slight sense of him playing the expected part while being slower with the quips and quicker with the anger. It's possible I was just looking for such things but by the end of the film I did get a sense of a Stark who's more frustrated with the world and for whom the whole 'hero' thing was massively losing it's shine. He pretty much admitted that he'd destroyed his relationship with Pepper due to his compulsion to try and fix what he sees as the results of his mistakes.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 17:16

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Deadpool

If you're going to start ranking Deadpool in there, you need to rank all the other Fox films. And then you'd probably have to do all the Sony ones too. This would be dull though.

I'm going to be putting "Deadpool" at the top of any list of films I make from now on.

In fact, any list of things.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 17:17

Cras wrote:

LewieP wrote:

What bits do you disagree with?

The point where you levelled a single criticism at the greatest film of all time. The plot had a deliberate comedy moment where Wade was sent to talk to a guy 'because it'll advance the plot, or something' - no film has ever had a better plot.

Vic & Bob's 'House of Fools' had already done that joke. Winningly.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

F'ing spoilers, Bamba!

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 17:21

Grim... wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Deadpool

If you're going to start ranking Deadpool in there, you need to rank all the other Fox films. And then you'd probably have to do all the Sony ones too. This would be dull though.

I'm going to be putting "Deadpool" at the top of any list of films I make from now on.

In fact, any list of things.

They did sneaky references to the MCU though, such as the final fight being on (allegedly) a Helicarrier, and Hydra Bob being sort of in it.

So it's not actually MCU, but it's Deadpool, and he cares not for your rules.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 17:34

I've also just realised that I'd love to see Larry David as a superhero in Tony Stark's shoes.

Minor spoilers:

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That bit in Civil War when he's emotionally devastated by the woman telling him about his (actually pretty tangential) role in the death of her son, I'd love to see that play out with Larry David.

Bitter woman: "He went there to build affordable housing. You dropped a city on his head."

Iron David: "That's very unfortunate. That's very sad. If I saw him I would have shouted something. You know, 'Get out of the way. City falling,' or something."

Bitter woman: "He tried to change the world, and you killed him."

Iron David: "I didn't kill him. I don't even know the guy! You say he was black? Because this wasn't a race thing. I have many black super-friends. Don't read anything into this."

Bitter Woman: "While you were out stopping the bad guys you didn't even think about anyone else!"

Iron David: "I distinctly did. I remember flying around and thinking, "Oh Gosh, I hope that city doesn't fall on anyone's head." What do you want me to do about it? What? Stop staring at me. How's this my problem?"

Bitter Woman: "You..."

Iron David: "I saved loads of people. I saved that guy with the comb-over and the kid and the uglier kid with the overbite and... and I saved loads of people! I filled a bus with them! Did you save anybody?"

Bitter Woman: "You're a bad man, Iron David..."

Iron David: "I'm not a bad man. You're a bad woman for trying to guilt a guy trying to do a good job. Yeah, you think on that. Laying an Elevator Guilt-Ambush on me. What, was I supposed to catch that city? I've lost all desire to finish this bagel now. You've ruined my lunch-break. Don't phone me. GOODBYE!"

Walks into elevator to comedy Curb Your Enthusiasm style music. Cut to Ted Danson as Captain America, being sickeningly decent.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 17:35

Brilliant!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

F'ing spoilers, Bamba!

Fixed. Though I don't think there was anything of substance in there.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Agree with Pete.

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Other than Scarlet Witch fucking up the explosion, nothing that was lain at the avengers feet was anything other than them clearing up other people's mess

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

NervousPete wrote:

Cras wrote:

LewieP wrote:

What bits do you disagree with?

The point where you levelled a single criticism at the greatest film of all time. The plot had a deliberate comedy moment where Wade was sent to talk to a guy 'because it'll advance the plot, or something' - no film has ever had a better plot.

Vic & Bob's 'House of Fools' had already done that joke. Winningly.

Deadpool pay homage to Vic & Bob! That's even better!

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 19:06

Cras wrote:

Agree with Pete.

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Other than Scarlet Witch fucking up the explosion, nothing that was lain at the avengers feet was anything other than them clearing up other people's mess

She's lovely, too.

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