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| Author: | LewieP [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:06 ] |
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And it did nothing of any significance with those themes. Didn't explore them in any depth. It felt like set dressing. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:07 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:08 ] |
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LewieP wrote: And it did nothing of any significance with those themes. Didn't explore them in any depth. It felt like set dressing. Then you weren't really paying attention. Also, for god's sake, if something doesn't do some massive deep interpolation of the human condition via future technology it's not science fiction? You are, and I apologise, massively massively wrong. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:09 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim Technically, like, they weren't robots. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:10 ] |
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Or I have a different opinion to you. Chill out. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:13 ] |
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LewieP wrote: Or I have a different opinion to you. Chill out. I am, like, totes chilled. But the idea that something isn't "proper" sci fi if it doesn't explore the depths of the human condition via advanced technology or whatever is patently cobblers. ("Basically District 9 was actually sci fi, but Elyisum wasn't.") Sci fi is a setting. End of. Whether you enjoy any given film in that setting, be it an action film, romance, comedy or whatever (for you because it is some arthouse bollocks or whatever) is a matter of opinion to which you are of course entitled |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 23:15 ] |
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Talking of which, for Billy Elliot and Captain America fans, I recommend Snowpiercer. Sort of a cross between The Cube or whatever it was and something else. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:37 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting, not a genre. I believe you're quoting someone there. A genius, perchance. |
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| Author: | lasermink [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:56 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting. End of. I think you're confusing "science fiction" with "futuristic setting". I don't think of Star Wars or Firefly as science fiction. Or, to quote Wikipedia, which is always right: Quote: Science fiction – genre of fiction dealing with the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, often in a futuristic setting.
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| Author: | LewieP [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:09 ] |
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This is where we get into the boring discussion of whether Firefly is more of a Western or a Sci Fi. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:30 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: MaliA wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim Technically, like, they weren't robots. But watching one using an oil tanker as a club was amazing |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:15 ] |
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Been watching Exodus: Gods and Kings. Its basically a new version of Moses vs the Pharaoh Great CGI and nice to see ancient Egypt shown in such grand scale However its not without its turkeys, once the plagues arrive on the Egyptians a technical advisor to the Pharaoh appears in the film He is played by Spud from Train Spotting and he doesn't really do a good job of hiding his Scottish accent 
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:17 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: MaliA wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim Technically, like, they weren't robots. And, technically, it wasn't "tops". It wasn't even "middles". |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:17 ] |
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Also, in on sci-fi not being a genre. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:20 ] |
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Cras wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting, not a genre. I believe you're quoting someone there. A genius, perchance. Indeed! It was me wasnt it? lasermink wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting. End of. I think you're confusing "science fiction" with "futuristic setting". I don't think of Star Wars or Firefly as science fiction. Or, to quote Wikipedia, which is always right: Quote: Science fiction – genre of fiction dealing with the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, often in a futuristic setting. No no no no no no no no no no. I'm not confusing anything. "Science fiction" isn't a genre of story in and of itself. It's a setting. I can think of vey very very very very few books in the "science fiction" section of the library that are actually about "the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, often in a futuristic setting". They're all either action, thriller, crime or whatever, that are set in space or with lasers and robots and shit. A type of book that is purely about "the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology" would be fucking dull. "Western" is a setting as well, as it goes. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:20 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: MaliA wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim Technically, like, they weren't robots. And, technically, it wasn't "tops". It wasn't even "middles". Real Steel was great. The kids loved it. I loved it, even though it was in the "family movie" genre. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:29 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Grim... wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: MaliA wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Elyisum was great, you weirdoes. Chappie looks crap. For proper robot action watch Real Steel. It's tops. And Pacific Rim Technically, like, they weren't robots. And, technically, it wasn't "tops". It wasn't even "middles". Real Steel was great. The kids loved it. I loved it, even though it was in the "family movie" genre. Yeah, I quite liked it too, although the idea of talking to a robot in a fight was a stupid one. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:38 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Real Steel was great. The kids loved it. I loved it, even though it was in the "family movie" genre. Yeah, I quite liked it too, although the idea of talking to a robot in a fight was a stupid one. It was utterly silly, but suspension of disbelief and that. The shadow function thing wouldn't have worked in reality either. BUT ROBOTS SMASHING EACH OTHER UP. |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:44 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Cras wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting, not a genre. I believe you're quoting someone there. A genius, perchance. Indeed! It was me wasnt it? lasermink wrote: Mr Kissyfur wrote: Sci fi is a setting. End of. I think you're confusing "science fiction" with "futuristic setting". I don't think of Star Wars or Firefly as science fiction. Or, to quote Wikipedia, which is always right: Quote: Science fiction – genre of fiction dealing with the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, often in a futuristic setting. No no no no no no no no no no. I'm not confusing anything. "Science fiction" isn't a genre of story in and of itself. It's a setting. I can think of vey very very very very few books in the "science fiction" section of the library that are actually about "the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology, often in a futuristic setting". They're all either action, thriller, crime or whatever, that are set in space or with lasers and robots and shit. A type of book that is purely about "the impact of imagined innovations in science or technology" would be fucking dull. "Western" is a setting as well, as it goes. Disagree, of course sci-fi films contain elements common to many other genres but for instance Blade Runner, that's sci-fi because although it's something of a crime drama the real point is that the science fiction elements pose philosophical questions. Sci-fi is at least as much of a genre as anything else. But you can distill any genre until the only ones that you would "allow" would be those which describe the emotions they are supposed to create. All you would have left would be comedies, horrors and dramas or something. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:48 ] |
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Then fine, "films about people living in London" is a genre. Living in london clearly poses philosophical and social questions, or at least it does in all the films set there. |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:54 ] |
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This is actually fucking mental. There isn't some equation which you can apply to reliably define genres and then categorise films into them. Sci-fi is a genre because it's a genre, you can go on Netflix and there is a section for sci-fi or browse Amazon for a book etc. etc. There isn't one for "people living in London". |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:55 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Then fine, "films about people living in London" is a genre. Living in london clearly poses philosophical and social questions, or at least it does in all the films set there. Notting Hill certainly does |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:27 ] |
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markg wrote: This is actually fucking mental. There isn't some equation which you can apply to reliably define genres and then categorise films into them. Sci-fi is a genre because it's a genre, you can go on Netflix and there is a section for sci-fi or browse Amazon for a book etc. etc. There isn't one for "people living in London". Loads of people put an apostrophe in "its" wrongly, but that doesn't make it correct punctuation. Having a "sci fi" section in Netflix doesn't make it a genre. Any more than "world cinema" is. Also, this is all Grim...'s fault. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:27 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Also, this is all Grim...'s fault. I'm a setting and a genre. |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:40 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: markg wrote: This is actually fucking mental. There isn't some equation which you can apply to reliably define genres and then categorise films into them. Sci-fi is a genre because it's a genre, you can go on Netflix and there is a section for sci-fi or browse Amazon for a book etc. etc. There isn't one for "people living in London". Loads of people put an apostrophe in "its" wrongly, but that doesn't make it correct punctuation. Having a "sci fi" section in Netflix doesn't make it a genre. Any more than "world cinema" is. Yeah 
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| Author: | RuySan [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:44 ] |
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Actually it would be really cool if i could browse films by cities. Or planets. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:45 ] |
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"World cinema " means porn |
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| Author: | RuySan [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:46 ] |
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The world is more than Hungary and Brazil |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:49 ] |
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A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion
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| Author: | LewieP [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:50 ] |
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RuySan wrote: The world is more than Hungary and Brazil Brazil is definitely sci fi. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:51 ] |
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LewieP wrote: A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion Is there a gaming equivalent to the Dewey Decimal system? TheVision probably uses one for his spreadsheet. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:56 ] |
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LewieP wrote: A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion Feel free to not join in then. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:58 ] |
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MaliA wrote: "World cinema " means porn I've always thought it was a little bit on the patronising side. And it's a bit random when things tip over into being "romance" or whatever rather than "World cinema", given that the main differentiator used for world cinema is "forrin and forrin language". So Amelie's in the wrong place. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:59 ] |
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Amelie is superb. I loved every moment of it. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:01 ] |
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It really was, yes. I'm normally a spaceships, guns, lasers and 'splosions kind of a chap, but it was a very sweet film. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:05 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: MaliA wrote: "World cinema " means porn I've always thought it was a little bit on the patronising side. Very much so. Like 'world music'. Ghastly term. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:19 ] |
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LewieP wrote: A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion It's not boring, it's hilarious to see Kissy stuck in an untenable position.  4 Kissy
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:21 ] |
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Saturnalian wrote: LewieP wrote: A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion It's not boring, it's hilarious to see Kissy stuck in an untenable position. 4 KissyAn untenable position supported by (and indeed originating from) Cras and Grim..., I'd note. And we're right. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:42 ] |
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Science fiction can be a setting and a genre. In some instances it is more the former, and in some the latter. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:43 ] |
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: LewieP wrote: A wise man once said LewieP wrote: Genre definitions is a boring discussion Feel free to not join in then. Sorry, that came across as a bit dickish. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:44 ] |
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If you want to call sci fi a genre, and use that weird ass wikipedia definition, you can. But that makes 90% of sci fi films not sci fi films, but instead "genre x in space/the future" which is pretty silly. If it's got lazors, it's sci-fi, and frankly I don't give a shit if it's a Pride and Prejudice remake. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:45 ] |
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Shut up Curio, it's Friday morning on the Internet. That's no time or place for compromise. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:46 ] |
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Cras wrote: no time or place for compromise. is the title of your sex tape. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:47 ] |
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But can it be sci-fi without lazers? Hmm? |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:52 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: But can it be sci-fi without lazers? Hmm? Is Planet of the Apes Sci Fi? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:56 ] |
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Planet of the Apes is Gorillas In The Mist in The Future (spoilers). |
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| Author: | RuySan [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:14 ] |
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Well, the Portuguese title of Planet of the Apes is actually "the man that came from the future". And "Vertigo" is "The woman who lived twice". Cracked even made an article about countries with silly film translations, and these made the cut. The best of all are the Brazilian translations. "Teen Wolf" is "The Boy from the future". |
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| Author: | lasermink [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:19 ] |
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It doesn't have to be all about the impact of bla bla etc to be Science Fiction, but it should have some part in the plot. At the very least, a (semi-)plausible line from our current technology to that depicted should be established or understood. Which is why Elysium is science fiction, incidentally. I would call Star Wars Futuristic Fantasy or something like that, although it is probably usually categorized as Space Opera, which is seen as a subgenre of Science Fiction, so people obviously disagree on this point. Science Fiction still isn't a setting, either way. Look, Science Fiction is a genre of fiction. It's right there in the words. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:26 ] |
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awakenings - scI Fi? |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:29 ] |
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lasermink wrote: incidentally. I would call Star Wars Futuristic Fantasy Uh oh... |
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